Mvp Race

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

kobe is not winning anything without Shaq

he was the main reason they won les

MVP must goto Nikolas Tskitishvilli.......he is the main man behind the Suns solid season lol

[v2000]

v2000, if teammates have no bearing on the argument and it's strictly where they finish record wise, you just made the argument for Chauncey over Dirk...

where did I ever say that? wins of course, are the most important stat, but another thing to take into consideration is the fact that the East is very weak. If the Spurs or Mavs were in the east, they would have 64, 65 wins by now, despite the injuries. The Pistons have been perfectly healthy, and will only have 3, maybe 4 more wins than the Spurs or Mavs will.

Dirk and Nash both deserve the award much more than the Pistons. They both have had to carry their teams through some very rough periods, and still finish among the top of the west, while the Pistons have been able to pretty much cruise through the entire season.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

where did I ever say that? wins of course, are the most important stat, but another thing to take into consideration is the fact that the East is very weak. If the Spurs or Mavs were in the east, they would have 64, 65 wins by now, despite the injuries. The Pistons have been perfectly healthy, and will only have 3, maybe 4 more wins than the Spurs or Mavs will.

Dirk and Nash both deserve the award much more than the Pistons. They both have had to carry their teams through some very rough periods, and still finish among the top of the west, while the Pistons have been able to pretty much cruise through the entire season.

That's purely speculation(first paragraph). But I can play the if game too: If you replaced Kobe with Dirk, the Lakers would be under .500.


Nash plays with Marion, he gets a lot of help.

The difference between Kobe and Dirk is that while Dirk has had to carry the Mavs in stretches, Kobe's done it all year.

[v2000]

That's purely speculation(first paragraph). But I can play the if game too: If you replaced Kobe with Dirk, the Lakers would be under .500.

Nash plays with Marion, he gets a lot of help.

The difference between Kobe and Dirk is that while Dirk has had to carry the Mavs in stretches, Kobe's done it all year.

whatever, im tired of arguing about this. if you want to believe that Kobe is a good teammate and makes his team better, then whatever... believe what you want.

[Darrin]

Chill people. It's a debate, and I don't think we are going to change anyone's mind. Getting all upset is needless. We are all fans here of the NBA, and none of us works for these players. Don't take it so personal.

[1Parker1]

V2000....you think Dirk could actually do better with guys like Smush Parker and Sasha surrounding him?! If you honestly think that Dirk could carry the Lakers to more wins than Kobe has, you're seriously .

[Darrin]

V2000....you think Dirk could actually do better with guys like Smush Parker and Sasha surrounding him?! If you honestly think that Dirk could carry the Lakers to more wins than Kobe has, you're seriously .

I love to drink.

[1Parker1]

^Understandable...you're a Pistons fan.

[Darrin]

^Understandable...you're a Pistons fan.

It's been ten minutes, and I haven't stopped laughing. That is hilarious!

[1Parker1]

It's been ten minutes, and I haven't stopped laughing. That is hilarious!

Are you being sarcastic?

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

I would hope so.

I'm hungry, why don't you send me a philly cheesesteak 1p1?

[1Parker1]

I would hope so.

I'm hungry, why don't you send me a philly cheesesteak 1p1?

I don't do favors for Pistons fans.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

I don't do favors for Pistons fans.

That's just not right.

[v2000]

V2000....you think Dirk could actually do better with guys like Smush Parker and Sasha surrounding him?! If you honestly think that Dirk could carry the Lakers to more wins than Kobe has, you're seriously .

Yes, I think he would do better than Kobe has done. Kobe definitely has more talent than Dirk, and has the ability to do better, but is more interested in scoring, and trying to look like Jordan, but is failing miserably at it. You likewise, need to get your mouth off Kobe's you freakin homer.

[Darrin]

I disagree. Although I believe that Kobe Bryant wants to prove he can lead a championship-calibur team by scoring 30-35% of their offense, I believe that the Lakers are weak enough defensively that Dirk would do worse with that group.

[v2000]

I disagree. Although I believe that Kobe Bryant wants to prove he can lead a championship-calibur team by scoring 30-35% of their offense, I believe that the Lakers are weak enough defensively that Dirk would do worse with that group.

But when you play basketball, having a ball hog jerk on your team doesnt make you better, no matter how good he is. Having someone try to fight you just because you took a last shot (and it wasnt a bad shot at that), instead of him isnt exactly going to motivate you to play better. When playing b-ball, id MUCH rather have a less talented, but hard worker and good teammate on my team, instead of a very talented ball hog that acts like a jerk. having guys like those on your team drains you mentally, and makes you not even want to play the game.

that is why i think they would be more successful with Dirk. he is a much better teammate and leader than Kobe, and they will respond much more favorably by playing harder.

[1Parker1]

Yes, I think he would do better than Kobe has done. Kobe definitely has more talent than Dirk, and has the ability to do better, but is more interested in scoring, and trying to look like Jordan, but is failing miserably at it. You likewise, need to get your mouth off Kobe's you freakin homer.

Why don't you get your mouth off Dirk's you freakin homer?

I'm not even going to bother wasting my time discussing basketball with you. Judging by your posts, it's obvious your knowledge of basketball does not go beyong the Dallas Mavericks.

[mavsfan1000]

So since Kobe is more selfish he is the better player? What about the teams success in the process? The Mavs way better with Dirk clearly being the best player on the team.

[1Parker1]

So since Kobe is more selfish he is the better player? What about the teams success in the process? The Mavs way better with Dirk clearly being the best player on the team.

ARghhhh!!! Do poeple not read? How can you compare team success between the Lakers and Mavs??? Have you seen the players on the Lakers squad? You're the one who's constantly saying that you have Ginobili and Parker like players in Harris and the deepest bench in the NBA, etc. etc. You don't think that has anythign to do with the Mavs sucess, as much as Dirk? You can't have it both ways and say that you have a average team and Dirk makes them better, while at the same time proclaiming guys like Devin Harris to be the future of the league.

Anyways, I'm done arguing in this thread over the MVP. We'll see who wins it in a few weeks. The funny thing is, if you Mavs fans would learn how to read and stop getting to defensive at the drop of a hat, you'd have scrolled up and noticed that I recently said I think MVP will probably come down between Dirk and Billups.

[v2000]

Why don't you get your mouth off Dirk's you freakin homer?

I'm not even going to bother wasting my time discussing basketball with you. Judging by your posts, it's obvious your knowledge of basketball does not go beyong the Dallas Mavericks.

STFU ! quit trying to copy my you in ho. you are a total in bag...

[Darrin]

There is too much tension on this board. Go get laid or something. Walk away, and remember that it's just sports not life or death.

[Medvedenko]

V2000...hey nice job personally attacking someone with your mysogynistic bull . While we're at it, leave this forum or at least change your screen name to wife beater.

[v2000]

V2000...hey nice job personally attacking someone with your mysogynistic bull . While we're at it, leave this forum or at least change your screen name to wife beater.

The only difference between your face and a bag of crap is the bag.

[Medvedenko]

Man you're hillarious....please before any comedy headhunters scoop you up for your rapier wit, or should I say rapist wit...you better peddle your enlightened intellect on the comedy club tour.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

So since Kobe is more selfish he is the better player? What about the teams success in the process? The Mavs way better with Dirk clearly being the best player on the team.

And the Mavs clearly have a better team 2-12. Is it that hard to comprehend?

Like I said earlier, if that's your stance then Billups is the MVP...