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    I can only hope Sanders has the stones to continue to shake the DNC up.

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    I'm all for a splinter in the GOP party but not at the expense of Donald Trump selecting Justice Scalia's replacement.

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    No. Just more than one party. If the GOP splinters, as I hope, then the DNC will reign for an extended period. No question about that.
    I'm all for a splinter in the GOP party but not at the expense of Donald Trump selecting Justice Scalia's replacement.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law

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    I understand Duvenger. The endplay is the tendency for a duality. Fine. Let a new party emerge.

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    I understand Duvenger. The endplay is the tendency for a duality. Fine. Let a new party emerge.
    Your issues with the GOP have little to do with national elections. They haven't been able to secure the popular vote in a presidential election in decades. The extreme right have an amplified voice as a result of gerrymandering in the house with its origin in the 2010 census.

    In in any event, Your fringe right are always going to drift toward whichever new party might emerge putting you right back where we are today. It's a structural flaw in the cons ution imhmfo.

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    I fear either of them winning. Even with his anti free trade stance i cant in good conscience support Trump's blatantly racist inflammatory rhetoric. And Hillary's New Democrat neoliberal agenda makes the Center feel more like the Center Right. When like rebuilding our roads and taxing the wealthy high rates during wartime become radical, well, what is there to say anymore...

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    Oh I beg to differ in this case. Uncertainties, which Trump excels at, make the market move in dramatic fashion.
    Just buy call options in the VIX .

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    I fear either of them winning. Even with his anti free trade stance i cant in good conscience support Trump's blatantly racist inflammatory rhetoric. And Hillary's New Democrat neoliberal agenda makes the Center feel more like the Center Right. When like rebuilding our roads and taxing the wealthy high rates during wartime become radical, well, what is there to say anymore...
    Yeah, this election is probably even worse than Bush vs Gore. Conservative democrat vs white nationalist, what a ing ty choice.

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    Trump plus a Repug Congress will make EVERYTHING much worse.

    Politicians run for office to become (more) wealthy from BigCorp donors and insider dealing, no matter the solid or fractured state of either party.

    BigCorp and esp BigFinance, owners of politicians at all levels, will continue looting America. They are unstoppable.

    The only countervailing power against BigCorp and BigFinance is government, and government has been corrupted, compromised, infiltrated, captures by the oligarchy.

    Repugs have figured they can still protect and increase their wealth with Trash as Pres. Just look at his tax cuts on the wealthy.
    I thought America was already great ?

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    Yeah, this election is probably even worse than Bush vs Gore. Conservative democrat vs white nationalist, what a ing ty choice.
    There's always Gary Johnson. Hahaha.

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    Oh I beg to differ in this case. Uncertainties, which Trump excels at, make the market move in dramatic fashion.
    Here's something on using the stock market to predict the elections (the other way around):

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...ight_days.html

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    Dude...

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    Here's something on using the stock market to predict the elections (the other way around):

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...ight_days.html
    Absolutely.

    But Trump being so unpredictable is still germane because he is the Republican nominee.
    When the public has no idea were a candidate really stands because he lies and backtracks, I would think uncertainty leads to people voting against that candidate.

    What do you think? You really think he would build a wall?

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    "When the public has no idea were a candidate really stands because he lies and backtracks"

    a Trash spokesman said Trash's words don't mean anything, iow, take NOTHING seriously, and that they will make up policies after he's elected.




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    Absolutely.

    But Trump being so unpredictable is still germane because he is the Republican nominee.
    When the public has no idea were a candidate really stands because he lies and backtracks, I would think uncertainty leads to people voting against that candidate.

    What do you think? You really think he would build a wall?
    I am not stuck on a wall. I think that illegal immigration can be dealt with more efficiently and cheaply by using e-verify and HUGE fines to the employer who violates them - I see this as a win-win - employers won't do it and if they do, the government gets more money. If you take away illegals' reason for coming, that'll reduce the need for a wall. Then just enforce the immigration laws on the book. I'd be for amnesty for the 11 million, (if they haven't committed any crime), pay a fine, join the back of the line but no voting for 10 years and they must learn English (so they assimilate/integrate). I'd also get rid of sanctuary cities. As far as Trump is concerned, I'm afraid he'll have to at least start the wall because so much of his campaign is based on it.

    With Trump - everything is out there - his mouth has no filter. Now, do I prefer knowing about all his faults and pettiness or do I prefer being deceived (by Hillary who will say and do anything to get elected). As far as the backtracking is concerned, most of that is because he doesn't understand whatever policy - whether (repub stance) abortion (because he really is pro-abortion) or H1-B visas, etc.

    I'm hopeful that Trump can shake things up in Washington - only someone as bull-headed, so full of bravado could even try - anyone else would cave to public opinion, political correctness and these attacks from all sides including his own party. Hillary is just more of the same old, corrupt system. Anyways, the electoral college is already stacked against the republicans so my hope is very slim.

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    Apparently you missed the proclamation that at least she won't have a baby, the re will force her to carry, to remind her of the event.

    I do wonder if they would still make her have baby if the rapist were black though. That would be a tough decision I'm sure.
    You know, I tell myself everyday to just ignore the filth that comes out of your mouth but when you bring race into the discussion, it is just so hypocritical. FYI, I was born and raised in a country where over 92% of the people are black - whose motto is "Out of many, one people," listening to reggae and Michael Jackson. My aunt is black, my cousin is half-black, my best friend was black, the woman who helped raise me while my parents worked is black - interracial relationships are commonplace where I come from. Your comment is so hypocritical considering you refer to me as a f****** mongoloid.

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    I fear either of them winning. Even with his anti free trade stance i cant in good conscience support Trump's blatantly racist inflammatory rhetoric. And Hillary's New Democrat neoliberal agenda makes the Center feel more like the Center Right. When like rebuilding our roads and taxing the wealthy high rates during wartime become radical, well, what is there to say anymore...
    People just need to make sure to vote for the candidates down ballot where they have more of an effect on the outcome anyway.

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    What's to be afraid of.

    Everything bad he would try to do (raise tariffs) he would need Congress' permission to do.....and he won't get it.

    Everything good he would try to do (gut administrative agencies) he could do on his own.

    He's also clearly anti-war. He's a textbook isolationist pretending to be war monger to get votes.

    I'll take the conservative Democrat over neo-con Hillary any day of the week.

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    You know, I tell myself everyday to just ignore the filth that comes out of your mouth but when you bring race into the discussion, it is just so hypocritical. FYI, I was born and raised in a country where over 92% of the people are black - whose motto is "Out of many, one people," listening to reggae and Michael Jackson. My aunt is black, my cousin is half-black, my best friend was black, the woman who helped raise me while my parents worked is black - interracial relationships are commonplace where I come from. Your comment is so hypocritical considering you refer to me as a f****** mongoloid.
    pretty sure their motto was "its bobsled time, cool runnings"

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    pretty sure their motto was "its bobsled time, cool runnings"
    The bobsled stunned me. I'm so used to only the sprinters - I've been cheering since Donald Quarrie won gold in 76, but Usain Bolt has surpassed them all. For such a small country to produce so many world class sprinters makes me so proud - well that and reggae. Our Blue Mountain coffee is pretty good too. And our beaches.

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    The bobsled stunned me. I'm so used to only the sprinters - I've been cheering since Donald Quarrie won gold in 76, but Usain Bolt has surpassed them all. For such a small country to produce so many world class sprinters makes me so proud - well that and reggae. Our Blue Mountain coffee is pretty good too. And our beaches.
    sadly not your posters

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    Trump can't do any worse than Bush, and we all got through that.

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    "When the public has no idea were a candidate really stands because he lies and backtracks"

    a Trash spokesman said Trash's words don't mean anything, iow, take NOTHING seriously, and that they will make up policies after he's elected.



    his words mean more then clinton

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    Wow you did it. You just said I'm not racist because I have black friends.


    If you were remotely concerned about the condition of the black community in this country, you would not be a re ed blind follower who depends on others to think for you.

    So not only are you every bad thing I thought, you're actually worse because you have sold out your "best" friend, nanny, and everyone of those 92 percent of the population you were raised with. I thought your prayers for finger rape was as low as anyone could go. But you topped it. Shame on you
    Sigh. When one is born in a country such as mine, and raised primarily by someone who is black, one is colorblind. It's all I know and some of the most important people in my life are black. I don't even remember when I became aware that my skin color was different from my caretaker's. I suppose at some point I figured out that I ate both Jamaican and Chinese food depending on who was cooking - I became a blend of both cultures - I refer to myself as Jamaican Chinese because except for my skin color and food, almost everything I am is Jamaican (now of course, American is mixed in there).

    I know it's hard to believe coming from the US that race can NOT be a big deal in other places, but I didn't even think about that until I came here and saw the divisiveness that the issue of race brings. The people in Jamaica do not have the at ude about race that is so prevalent in the US and it's not because of poverty or slavery as most in Jamaica are poor and descended from slaves. They don't blame anyone for their situation - there's no white privilege (or Asian, Indian, etc) oppression - they mostly all work hard because there is no welfare/social safety net in Jamaica - they depend on family, relatives and friends.

    In the late 70s, the Prime Minister of Jamaica started to get very close to Cuba's Castro - this scared a lot of people - there was a mass migration to Miami, New York and Toronto. Those who could, including my family, fled so it's not like I had a choice. Anyways, I explain this so that you can see that there are other points of view and remind you of the inclusiveness and tolerance that the Democrat party (I'm assuming here that's the one you prefer) espouses.

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