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an entire generation acting in their own best interests? where did they learn that from?
I won't be shocked if at some point a candidate runs on either that platform or letting the loans be wiped out by backruptcy
do these people think people owe them or something
they do not believe they should pay for their schooling
is this the real reason sanders did so well?
an entire generation acting in their own best interests? where did they learn that from?
I won't be shocked if at some point a candidate runs on either that platform or letting the loans be wiped out by backruptcy
Seeing that motivation behind the backlash is also self interest I find the partisan division laughable. The only reason why older people don't like it is because they cannot take advantage of it.
If you get over yourself and realize that education is good for the whole of society then it takes on a different tone. Should we have kids pay for kindergarten too?
That is the thing older people just don't get.
College education cost growth has outpaced inflation, and therefore people's ability to pay for it, for 20-30+ years.
It is far more expensive to go to college in 2016, in very real terms adjusted for inflation, than it was in 1970, 1980, or even 1990.
The crushing debt burden is causing a lot of delays in buying houses, starting families, etc.
It is hard for people, especially older people to realize that the world has changed. Most people just can't fathom that very basic thing, and base their thinking, and opinions on the way things were 20+ years ago.
Bad way to make policy, IMO.
I agree that the cost of college has gotten out of hand. The other problem that free tuition can't change are the ridiculous degrees people get today. Its hard to get a job when you study art-history. I would like to see incentives for engineering, mathematics, and science based degrees and perhaps discounts for some of the less usuful degrees that people use to springboard into graduate school.
+1
"i have an english degree, and I can't get a job"
I am going to take a hard look at the labor market and steer my kids to that.
Figure out what is in demand, and go for it. Anything with a high barrier to entry (actuaries for example) are going to always pay well.
Oddly enough that includes plumbers etc:
http://www.bls.gov/ooh/construction-...eamfitters.htm
, work with your hands... build your own company, and bypass college altogether.
Not a bad way to go.
This older guy gets it just fine. Education is treated as infrastructure in the primary grades. Why did it become a profit center in secondary? Makes no sense.
Democrats have been instilling the en lement mentality in our young for decades now.
Sorry pathetic little s.
"Makes no sense."
for-profit charter K12 and for-profit colleges are capitalists going after taxpayers $100Bs. Makes perfect sense.
When I was in law school, the cost of new books were almost as much as the tuition. Half.com I think was the website where I would buy everything one year old and get them all for about $20. Of course, I had to spend extra time finding the cases because of the different page numbers but they all used the same cases.
I've thrown this up here before but my local school district (Birdville ISD) has an unbelievable voc Ed program. Their auto mechanics shop is bigger and as well equipped as most dealerships.
We need to focus on WHY education cost growth has outpaced inflation and do something about that in my opinion.
The college's feed off of grants and loans. We expand those and you can expect tuition to continue to skyrocket.
It was like that in my field as well. Textbook pricing is an old, old racket.
Pipe down.The grown-ups are talking.
Stupid followed by stupider.
Exactly. Supply and demand, like anything else. Reduce grants and loans to much tighter standards, and we will likely see a reduction in tuition and book pricing.
Great post. +1
I think it's more demand than anything causing skyrocketing tuition and fees. Hollowing out the manufacturing economy has made it to where you either have to go to college or learn a trade to really survive in this country.
Better yet, eliminate the need for them altogether.
That's likely a factor for sure.
I'm not for a complete elimination, because I think our sociiety is better with a few that are rationed out.
Student loans should be based on a good faith that the trade will be in demand enough that those receiving the loans will be able to work and pay for them. Otherwise, regular loans as creditors are willing to risk.
Grants should only be for those scoring exceptional in scholastic, but didn't get scholarships, or cannot afford to pay.
If we get back to universities not having an excess of willing cash cows, the prices will drop. Besides, why do we need hamburger flippers with a 4 year degree?
That didn't happen when the GI Bill paid 100Ks vets to go college, there was no housing bubble when the GI Bill financed 100Ks of GI homes.
The capitalists have, since the mid 1970s, ed up America.
So now, we have a race for loans that cannot be repaid as there are less good jobs than loans.
Wow, I commend you all - this thread has some good ideas without the normal amount of partisan bashing.
I don't know about how it is for you guys in Texas, but the pricing for housing has gone up more than college tuition in Florida. The price of my house has gone up by at least 2.5 times while total yearly cost at UF is only $6313 (UT-Austin lists at $9830). Room and board cost a lot but people can go to their local university or do as I did and go to community college for 2 years first. Compare that $6313 to my son's $5500 in braces - that seems like a good bargain for a year of college. Now I realize that Florida is on the low end of tuition but it's an example that it can be done if the states prioritize education.
Governor Charlie Crist was raising college tuition at 15% PER YEAR (which basically put a damper on "true" pre-paid college here - they could no longer guarantee that tuition would be paid for). You can bash Rick Scott all you want, but for education, he has been very good - stopped that 15% per year insane rise, issued a challenge for a $10k college degree (which all 23 state colleges have accepted) and has now signed a bill to allow any child to go to any public school in Florida (if there's space). In addition, there's now a free ride (at 6 universities) for those with National Merit honors to try to keep the talent here in Florida. We also have a Brights Future program which used to pay for full tuition - but now pays for about 1/2 (I think) - do 100 hrs of community service, 3.5 gpa, 1290 SAT or 29 ACT - there are lower levels with less money offered.
http://www.flgov.com/gov-scott-annou...e-challenge-2/
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