Saying Kobe's peak was better than Duncan's isn't stupid for this reason. Kobe was regarded as the best player in the league at a point in his career. It was Kobe then LeBron, until LeBron surpassed him. Duncan was never regarded as a dominant force like Kobe was.
I quoted your dumbass post. You are asshurt that Kobe's peak, based on the eye test, was better than Tim's peak. That doesn't take away from Tim. You are just way too goddamn sensitive.
I can pretty much respond to all your posts wit this now. You are just making it easy.
Duncan was never regarded as a dominant force like Kobe was. How dominant, leading his team to miss the playoffs?
Kobe's peak was by far the worst of anyone considered in the top 10, or even top 20 of all time.
My eye test is showing that you are dumber than an eggplant, but then, I have your posts to back that up.
yep. and because I have some numbers ... anyone that disagrees with me is re ed, stupid, antiquated etc. ...
You dont need objective measures for something subjective, genius.
I think the WIRE is a better series than breaking bad.
the numbers disagree.
BB has higher TV ratings, better Streaming #'s, more emmys more golden Globes.
Does that make BB better?
I prefer andre 3000 and Black thought more than Drake.
Drake sells more records. Sells more shows. has more Grammys does that mean he is a better artist?
Life is not all about numbers but here are some ...
Most 30 pt games regular season:
Michael Jordan -- 562
Wilt Chamberlain -- 515
Karl Malone -- 435
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar -- 429
Kobe Bryant -- 408
Oscar Robertson -- 387
Jerry West -- 350
Dominque Wilkins -- 346
Allen Iverson -- 345
Elgin Baylor -- 343
Adrian Dantley -- 313
Shaquille O'Neal -- 313
Lebron James -- 304
George Gervin -- 296
Bob Pet - 284
Alex English - 276
Elvin Hayes -- 253
Of all the top 20 Players one guy is "notoriously absent. This is by far the worst showing for scoring dominance by any player considered in the top 5 except pass first Magic. Lebron has played much fewer seasons and is there, so is malone who played teh same position and whose era crossed with duncan's.
Playoffs are little more kind ...
30 point games Playoffs
Michael Jordan -- 109
Kobe Bryant -- 88
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar -- 75
Jerry West -- 74
Elgin Baylor -- 60
Shaquille O'Neal -- 55
Karl Malone -- 54
Lebron James -- 53
Hakeem Olajuwon -- 53
Rick Barry -- 48
Dirk Nowitzki -- 45
Larry Bird -- 43
Wilt Chamberlain -- 42
Allen Iverson -- 36
Tim Duncan -- 35
Bob Pet -- 33
George Gervin -- 32
Dwyane Wade -- 31
Despite 19 years of making the playoffs Tim is about 15th behind Dirk, Rick freaking Barry and of course Olajawon ...who some people here act as though he only dominated for two seasons ...how the does he have 18 more 30 point games?!
Oh what about pace? Sure the game has changed. But duncan also got the benefit of more playoff games.
Well he is not a scorer like Dirk ... Karl Malone played the same position for a similar number of years with high defensive metrics and has 19 more of those games.
It's 30 points nothing crazy ...like 40, 50, 60 or even 80.
Not saying that Kobe is better than Duncan.
Duncan's career resume trumps his.
Duncan was the more consistent more reliable the more impactful two-way player overall.
But when both were balling at their best Kobe just dominated games in ways I dont think duncan did.
That does not make me stupid re ed etc.
I may be wrong because I freely admit there is some bias here. how could there not be?
But amb acting like he cant understand the logic because he does not agree is asinine.
It's subjective like choosing Mozart over Chopin.
Prince over Micheal
Last edited by Killakobe81; 07-15-2016 at 10:24 AM.
You dont need objective measures for something subjective, genius.
I think the WIRE is a better series than breaking bad.
the numbers disagree.
BB has higher TV ratings, better Streaming #'s, more emmys more golden Globes.
Does that make BB better?
I prefer andre 3000 and Black thought more than Drake.
Drake sells more records. Sells more shows. has more Grammys does that mean he is a better artist?
Life is not all about numbers but here are some ...
Most 30 pt games regular season:
Michael Jordan -- 562
Wilt Chamberlain -- 515
Karl Malone -- 435
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar -- 429
Kobe Bryant -- 408
Oscar Robertson -- 387
Jerry West -- 350
Dominque Wilkins -- 346
Allen Iverson -- 345
Elgin Baylor -- 343
Adrian Dantley -- 313
Shaquille O'Neal -- 313
Lebron James -- 304
George Gervin -- 296
Bob Pet - 284
Alex English - 276
Elvin Hayes -- 253
Of all the top 20 Players one guy is "notoriously absent. This is by far the worst showing for scoring dominance by any player considered in the top 5 or top ten ..
Lebron has played much fewer seasons and is there ..in fact only guys in most top 10's who are not are pass first PG Magic johnson and the unselfish Larry bird.
Playoffs are little more kind ...
30 point games Playoffs
Michael Jordan -- 109
Kobe Bryant -- 88
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar -- 75
Jerry West -- 74
Elgin Baylor -- 60
Shaquille O'Neal -- 55
Karl Malone -- 54
Lebron James -- 53
Hakeem Olajuwon -- 53
Rick Barry -- 48
Dirk Nowitzki -- 45
Larry Bird -- 43
Wilt Chamberlain -- 42
Allen Iverson -- 36
Tim Duncan -- 35
Bob Pet -- 33
George Gervin -- 32
Dwyane Wade -- 31
Despite 19 years of making the playoffs Tim is about 15th behind Dirk, Rick freaking Barry and of course Olajawon ...who some people here act as though he only dominated for two seasons ...how the does he have 18 more 30 point games?!
Oh what about pace? Sure the game has changed. But duncan also got the benefit of more playoff games.
Well he is not a scorer like Dirk ... Karl Malone played the same position for a similar number of years with high defensive metrics and has 19 more of those games.
It's 30 points nothing crazy ...like 40, 50, 60 or even 80.
Not saying that Kobe is better than Duncan.
Duncan's career resume trumps his.
Duncan was the more consistent more reliable the more impactful two-way player overall.
But when both were balling at their best Kobe just dominated games in ways I dont think duncan did.
That does not make me stupid re ed etc.
I may be wrong because I freely admit there is some bias here. how could there not be?
But amb acting like he cant understand the logic because he does not agree is asinine.
It's subjective like choosing Mozart over Chopin.
Prince over Michealoffense only...
Excuses.
Numbers can be adjusted or juked to make your argument.
that is why this is subjective.
Dirk played int he same era.
IF duncan' or his team plays at a slower pace because he is slow that is on him ...
Kidding btw
Last edited by Killakobe81; 07-15-2016 at 10:43 AM.
Nothing more dominant (to some) than scoring over someone one on one or on over a double team ...
It actually does. You are mixing up personal preferences with subjective measures. Hey, you can feel anything you want, but when most measures disagree with you, then you don’t have a leg to stand on to defend your feelings.
From a popularity and success perspective? Yes. Hey, I prefer dre3000 as well, but the numbers speak for themselves. I like Manu Ginobili more than I like Duncan, doesn’t make Manu a better player than Duncan.
So you are talking about scoring and scoring only, which really isn’t what basketball is all about, and is a horrible list to rank players. Not sure what you are trying to prove here, because how “good” a player is should be about how much he helps his team win, and that is that. Exclusion of Magic and inclusion of Gervin, Iverson, English, Hayes, and such pretty much invalidates this list.
To go a little further, you are saying a player who scores 29 points in every single game for 500 games is worse than a player who scored 1 30 point game with 499 games scoring 20 points a game.
Same as above.Playoffs are little more kind ...
30 point games Playoffs
Michael Jordan -- 109
Kobe Bryant -- 88
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar -- 75
Jerry West -- 74
Elgin Baylor -- 60
Shaquille O'Neal -- 55
Karl Malone -- 54
Lebron James -- 53
Hakeem Olajuwon -- 53
Rick Barry -- 48
Dirk Nowitzki -- 45
Larry Bird -- 43
Wilt Chamberlain -- 42
Allen Iverson -- 36
Tim Duncan -- 35
Bob Pet -- 33
George Gervin -- 32
Dwyane Wade -- 31
Despite 19 years of making the playoffs Tim is about 15th behind Dirk, Rick freaking Barry and of course Olajawon ...who some people here act as though he only dominated for two seasons ...how the does he have 18 more 30 point games?!
Yeah, and Magic, being a top 5 player, doesn’t HAVE to score 30 points a game to help you win. Duncan, a top 5-10 player, doesn’t HAVE to score 30 points a game to help you win. He goes out, and provide predictable, consistent production, and that, to you, is somehow worse.
Not to mention your single-minded look with scoring as some kind of measure.
Again, if you want to say Kobe is a better volume scorer than Duncan? Sure, I will agree to that. Doesn’t make Kobe a better player though.
I am glad you somehow stumbled into consistency, because a player have lots of peaks and valleys is somehow better than a player who have consistent production.
Dominant is not scoring a lot of points. Maybe you should think about that.
I certainly cannot understand how two top 10 player in their primes, together, can only have a 3-2 record against another top 10 player, on his own, when the first two top 10 players had higher peaks than the lone top 10 player. Please explain that to me.
Too bad they don’t have advanced stats to measure musicians.
So Bernard King had a higher peak than magic?
I dont have to defend anything. I also dont think scoring is all that matters. But its a stat nonetheless and an important one.
Its subjective who was better at their best but an opinion you think im wrong on so move on. You made your case and the majority here will agree with you. Even I agree with you as well career-wise.
But dont act as though you cannot understand ...you disagree and dont want to see the other side and that is cool i dont judge you for it ...but stop acting holier than holy.
Last edited by Killakobe81; 07-15-2016 at 11:27 AM.
Hey you sick simpleton who likes writing ing paragraphs with each post....suck on this....
I actually FaceTimed Kobe [Bryant] after the game as soon as I got in the locker room. Other than seeing my dad and my sister right after we won, FaceTiming him was just a great thing, knowing how he has won five and I just won my first. Then realizing how hard it is just to win one, my respect for him is already high, but it went to another level knowing that he's got five of them. I'm trying to get a second one. - Kyrie Irving
That is kinda gay of Kyrie though.... s seem like they are infactuated with my
why doesnt killakobe posts up the amount of rs and po wins?
whats the point of scoring 35pts and not gettin the win?
I dont have to post anything tbh,
I only did that because amb was talking numbers so I provided one.
The point I was making is the same as the Wire you can find numbers to back up whatever story you want to "sell" that is why I dont trust them.
Duncan had the better career.
at their best I preferred Kobe, not because of "numbers" or scoring but just a feel. It's definitely an opinion not a fact because it's subjective.
Pretty easy logic to follow.
Sorry killa but equating stats to TV ratings is just re ed tbh
So yeah you can say you like Kobe better than Duncan for subjective reasons and no one can say anything about that. Objectively speaking you have no case though because the stats just don't back up your argument.
Last edited by 140; 07-15-2016 at 12:32 PM.
Of course you don't have to, it's not like I am going to eat your children if you can't defend your stance. It's just puzzling, that's all. Not to mention that you put it out there, and just pull the "I don't have to defend anything" card when challenged.
But you just used it to rank players all time. not only that, you used a random cutoff point of number of 30 point games.
I am not sure why you are saying that I cannot understand is an act, because I really failing to see the logic all. So far, I only have the eye test and the number of 30 point games.
You act like Duncan didn't have five.Hey you sick simpleton who likes writing ing paragraphs with each post....suck on this....
But Irving is right reaching out to Kobe though, both were 2nd banana's on championship teams. Parker and Worthy are probably on Irving's speed dial.
Amb likes to downplay scoring when it doesn't favor Tim. But when Kobe shoots 6 for 24 now its a topic for discussion. He likes to have it both ways.
1. Points are a stat. the one I posted shows Kobe was more dominant scoring wise which is generally the most important statSorry killa but equating stats to TV ratings is just re ed tbh
So yeah you can say you like Kobe better than Duncan for subjective reasons and no one can say anything about that. Objectively speaking you have no case though because the stats just don't back up your argument.
2. Yep I do like Kobe better mostly for subjective reasons.
3. Thinig that is funny 140 tbh as a player I was more duncan ...had a great bankshot, unselfish, great defender, rim protector more than like Kobe. Maybe that is why I appreciate him because he did the I could not ...
4. Love BB but the Wire is better period. I chose those two shows because not only did BB have more rating but it got more awards a spinoff etc. Not saying Kobe = wire and duncan = BB just saying that numbers, awards etc can lie.
Last edited by Killakobe81; 07-15-2016 at 02:55 PM.
Lmao what other function was Kirby doing when he went 6-24? Kobe stopped paying defense like ten years ago. Everyone knows that. You don't have to say it because it's like fact one about Kobe ....
Went to work &&& went down into the paint at Fisher's mandate. Passed the ball to Artest on that 3. Everybody figured he'd launch it out of frustration & selfishness. Uh, uh. There ain't been a better double cross since Amy walked Tim to the rocks in the '13 Finals.
In the NFL left tackles are paid well despite accruing no meaningful stats. Do you know why?
No one is going to argue that Kobe wasn't a gifted scorer or a better scorer than Duncan. But you are arguing that your less comprehensive view view of what makes a dominant player is better than spurs fans more comprehensive view. It's not 100% wrong but it's not right. The key us how much weight do you give to efficiency, defense distribution, etc.
6 for 24 in a game 7 of the finals with your team getting a win means that you really aren't that big of a scoring deal in the first place. Really, if you are supposedly the top 5 scorer in league history, and your team can STILL win with you sucking at the best thing you do means that either:
a) You really aren't that good in what you do, or
b) Your team is so stacked that it can still beat it's most formidable opponent in a pressure packed situation with you playing like crap
Scoring is important for sure, and there are many games Duncan stunk at scoring in the playoffs as well, but then Duncan really isn't known as a top 5 scorer of all time, he is just known as a top 5 basketball player of all time. So if there is a Finals game where Duncan didn't play in his prime, or play like total crap, and the Spurs still won, let me know.
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