Man Ingram looking impressive, cant wait to watch him this season
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Murray is rocking boys!!! hahahahahaha
what the ! we are going to have a very interesting roster for next year, hmmmm
i actually like our roster this year more than last yeart
fearless forecast, 60 or 60 + wins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lakers actually going to be fun to watch with these young players tbh, even Zubac looking really good
This jazz lakers game being played like its the playoffs
Let's hope Land has to say it often!
Looking forward to some youth on the bench.
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Would be this a relevant example:
Gasol at center, Lamarcus or Dedmon at the power forward, Bertans at small forward, then Kawhi and Kyle at guards????
ho ho ho, i also like this line -up
Bertans looked awesome. Ready and willing to fire from anywhere on the court, already a better player off the dribble than Bonner ever was, and able to run the floor faster than most bigs in the league. His release is so high that he doesn't need the type of spacing that Bonner needs to get off his shot. What really stood out to me was his ability to feel where both his and the ball handler's defender is in the PnR and fade out to a spot that makes it hard to get to him unless a defender commits early. This is a defense-warping trait that is very hard to teach young players.
It remains to be seen whether he can guard anyone besides other stretch 4's.
just making a comparison as they are likely to play the same position some times. If you detect saltiness that's your own personal perception.
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Everybody was crowing about Murray when he got 9 boards in a game. I like him a lot better when he gets 9 AST in a game. It looked like he was a lot more relaxed, instead of trying to prove himself on every possession. It's still SL, but I hope this is more of an indication of the kind of player he can be.
Really, PATFO, tell Tony to give LJC enough money to go back to France and forget about the NBA. I don't wish him any harm, I just don't want to see a roster spot taken up on him.
Once again, Jarnell Stokes looked pretty good (in the limited minutes he got to play). And once again, I wish he was 3-4" taller.
Gromovs finally got a stat in SL. He's going to have to frame it, and show it to his kids. Very strange having him on the roster this whole time.
Davis Bertans is ready to start contributing on the Spurs roster. He moves well without the ball, and knows how to make good hard cuts. I still wish he and Bourousis had gotten a chance to play together here, because they know each other's game. But hopefully Dedmon won't mind coming out and setting good screens.
I feel sorry for Erazem Lorbek. He's not the player he was before the injuries. And he's just too far from being in game shape after sitting out that long. He should have come to the NBA four years ago, when he had the chance.
Here is a longer highlight package from the Sacramento game:
Wow that last play looked awesome, Bertans looks really good
The good news is that rebounding rates are one of the most bankable stats from college to pros. Murray was an outstanding rebounder in college so it is not suprising to see him have big rebounding games.
That is a good thing. It's a very bankable skill and shows that despite his skinny frame, he is tough enough to mix it up.
I agree about his passing though; his ceiling, like most guys, is dependant on his ability to create. The reason guys get excited about ceilings is because of their ability to create for others which is such a rare skill. The more he shows in that area, the higher the ceiling.
Great clips. I didn't get to watch the game, but Bertins looked very confident in his highlights, and quite a bit more athletic than I expected. I loved that pass from Murray to him in transition. It was picture perfect. Murray has had some bad moments in the summer league, but all in all I'm pleased with how he looked. I think there is a lot of potential there and I think he will harness it here. Also for as many bad things as I heard about his shot, it dosen't look that bad. It may not be the exact form you want from a jump shooter, but if he puts in work I don't see any reason why our staff can't develope him into a really solid shooter.
I thought Murray's 9 RB's in that game was just a fluke - anybody can have a bunch of loose caroms fall into his lap on a fluke night. But after watching him, I can see that it wasn't a total fluke. It was the kind of thing that happens when a guy works his ass off. The harder they work, the luckier they get. I don't think he's going to have a lot of 9-board nights, but he definitely deserves credit for his efforts in that area.
The really cool thing about the 9 assists is that I know the coaches have been talking to him about it. The fact that he was willing and able to make some changes that quickly says he's probably very coachable. Maybe that will quiet some of the comments about him being a showboat, and whatever else. (After one SL game that started.)
That crazy pass he made to Bertans that sort of went under the defender's leg? I think there was a lot of luck in that one. The pass was dead on target, but I don't think he thought at all about the defender. If the leg had happened to be in a slightly different place, that would have looked like a careless pass, instead of a highlight.
I was a lot more impressed with a play where he took the ball down the baseline, into traffic around the rim. In the other games, he would have tried to make a back-door circus shot on his own. Instead, he dribbled into perfect position to lay it off to Cady for an easy bucket. A lot of the time, when young guys do all the work to get the ball that close to the rim, they feel like they deserve the short shot. To me, that was one of Murray's most memorable moments, because he used his athleticism to get someone else an easy shot. THAT will get him minutes.
I think he's got the talent to do it against better defenders, he just wasn't known for doing it much in college, or at the beginning of SL. If he's started thinking that way, it changes everything for his near-term prospects, IMO.
Agree with everything. You can see why despite the risk with him, there is such a sentiment that his ceiling is all-star level. That doesn't mean he gets there just that if things all go well he has the skill set.
The great thing about having a guard with a really solid rebounding rate is that when they get the board, they can immediately push the ball. The fact that pushing the ball and weaving in and out of traffic is already Murray's most attractive part of his game makes that even more appealing.
He had some jaw dropping slithers through defenders in the paint which is great. I think he needs to work on awareness but that comes with time and coaching. I agree with that pass. That is an elite level pass that good PGs make. Whether it's a lob (like CP3 does so much when he's in there) or that dump off (like Rondo) that is the type of passing you want to see because he's shown a great ability to break down defenses with his dribble.
I like that he's aggressive - you can't really teach that. I'd rather have a player you have to tell to dial it back (Murray/TP/Westbrook) than a player you have to urge to be aggressive (a million other guards).
Obviously his shot needs work. He's a mess on defense both individually and team-wise so far (he's too jumpy and closes out too hard many times). He needs to really work on vision and passing.
But he has the tools to do everything that star level players do; it's just a matter of will it all come together at an NBA level.
I agree that boarding is a translatable skill. But with Dijon I don't see that it reflects toughness as much as IQ. He just knows angles and probabilities, and he gets into rebounding position very well and very early.
Thing about that FB pass to Bertans... It's a risky pass, but he puts it just behind Bertans, meaning not exactly in his hands but enough to catch in stride. If he doesn't put it there the nearest defender has a decent chance to get it or at least deflect. It's actually perfectly placed. Sure, risky, but it's a really great pass (I mean, listen to the conservator gasp). Plus left handed.
That pass reminded me of Manu so much. Left handed sure, but that pass just screams Manu.
Kind of like Manu's career in a nuts .
Changes the Spurs near-term prospects, too. Before this game, I thought he was 2 years away from being much of a contributor. Now...?
I don't know if that's what happened or not. If he's that damned good already, he's going to need a better shrine.
I have to admit that I didn't even notice that it was left-handed. (Hats off for catching that.) That makes the pass more impressive, whether he calculated the defender on the fly or not.
It was also a fast break after a made bucket, and Bertans was out and running with him. I like he thought of the Spurs having enough young guys to do that sometimes. I don't want them to turn into the D'Antoni Suns, but it's nice to get easy buckets like that, when the defense gets caught napping.
Assuming Murray spends a lot of the year in Austin, then how would a bench lineup of Mills, Manu, Kyle, Bertans and Dedmon do? Seems like the offense would be fierce, but they couldn't guard anyone.
We really need another legit 4. Bertans and Kyle will have trouble defending big 4s, and LJC looks like a bust at this point. West for the minimum would have been good. Too bad whatever happened between him and the Fo.
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That is the lineup I'd prefer, except with Anderson and Bertans switched (not that that really matters). I'm not concerned at all about Anderson guarding bench fours. Who has PFs in their second units that would dominate anyway? The Spurs would have guys who could run, who could shoot, who could handle the ball. I think it could eat opposing benches alive. Of course Anderson and Bertans need to get stronger and just better at man defense in general, but I don't think they'd struggle to outscore their opponents on most nights.
Though LJC showed some horrible things, but I don't think he gets enough credit for how much of a team player he was. He made a number of plays or good decisions than are lost on the highlights reels. Like he passed it to Murray on the break when he had a look that most guys would have taken (and Dejounte hit him back up on that play GSH attributed to Cady). When he actually managed to hold onto a board, he didn't mess around with trying to go back up. He found his guard for a reset. He made some good deflections and rotations that helped his teammates out as well.
His biggest problem is that he just seems weak. Especially in the hands. I think even Jeff Ayres would think so. While he is tall enough to be a power-forward, his main appeal as a small-ball five is completely mitigated if he can't board well enough to be the only big. , he's boarding like a guard right now. And yeah, he also needs to be able to absorb contact better than he does now. Can't be a big if he doesn't know how to survive on the block.
Anyway, I think he'll be that guy who does the little things. I don't expect to see him ever dominate the d-league statistically, and most folks who watch him will talk about how unimpressive he looks. But if he develops the way he should in next year's summer league, I think it will be obvious. He'll know what he's doing out there a lot more, and he'll have more familiarity with whichever players return from this year's team (hopefully Murray, Forbes and Arcidiacono). He'll be less of a disaster, though I think there will still be a number of people who say things like, "Dude can't even score in the summer league."
Meh if Boris could guard 4's then KA will be just fine.
I like the look of the second unit. and if we wanted to get bigger and mills was struggling then we could go; Manu, Simmons, Bertans, KA, Dedmon
Manu and KA are the main ball handlers. Bertans, Manu, and KA can spot shoot. Simmons is a slasher off the pass and Dedmon is the eraser and garbage man. Not a bad second unit at all. And simmons has shown to be a decent spot shooter as well.
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