Official 2016 Spurs Offseason Thread

[montgod]

At least the Celtics and the Bucks will make the East interesting at least this year....

Hope to have NBA TV feature more of them....

im currently choosing between the two of them for my second favorite team, hmmm

Pacers actually don't look half bad now either with all their moves. Will be interesting to see what they do. Big issue they have is not being able to unload Ellis.

[montgod]

If Westbrook came with an extension I'd include Murray in the trade. Without the extension, no.

Well i think its a given that a trade would only happen if he extended from Spurs FO perspective.

[CGD]

And they'll get worse returns at the trade deadline. No one who can use Westbrook to his fullest capacity is going to pay big for a couple of months of his play.

Isnt there something about end of September being the last chance for a team to renegotiate and extend certain players? If so, OKC leverage goes to the crapper after that deadline, since Russ turns into a rental.

[Chinook]

Isnt there something about end of September being the last chance for a team to renegotiate and extend certain players? If so, OKC leverage goes to the crapper after that deadline, since Russ turns into a rental.

That's for rookies. The extension rules for vets are more complicated. But they aren't worth talking about. Russ isn't extending with anyone. It would cost him many millions.

[SAGirl]

That's for rookies. The extension rules for vets are more complicated. But they aren't worth talking about. Russ isn't extending with anyone. It would cost him many millions.

So it's risky for anyone to give up much more than a young prospect or two and a pick, maybe one genuine rotation player for salary purpose and to interest OKC? too risky. Basically a gamble, right?

[Chinook]

So it's risky for anyone to give up much more than a young prospect or two and a pick, maybe one genuine rotation player for salary purpose and to interest OKC? too risky. Basically a gamble, right?

It's a gamble, but it's not Russian Roulette. The team that trades for him at least doubles their chances of getting him.

[coachmac87]

It's a gamble, but it's not Russian Roulette. The team that trades for him at least doubles their chances of getting him.

Ding Ding..

[SAGirl]

It's a gamble, but it's not Russian Roulette. The team that trades for him at least doubles their chances of getting him.

fair enough thanks for answering. Seems risky. To a team with a lot of roleplayers like Boston and Milwaukee, they are better positioned to be gambling at this point.
For Spurs, I feel like a gamble that doesn't pay off will put the team out for good, bc Spurs have already wiped out their depth the last couple of seasons. To trade picks and the guys they are hoping to develop to rebuild that depth away and then lose Russ will set us back. If they took Tony or Manu I would not have a problem. The problem is they will probably want our best roleplayers, prospects and picks. I am not comfortable with that.

[DPG21920]

So it's risky for anyone to give up much more than a young prospect or two and a pick, maybe one genuine rotation player for salary purpose and to interest OKC? too risky. Basically a gamble, right?

Sort of, but getting his bird rights and the ability to sign him for the 5th year is a huge advantage. Despite the influx of players leaving their teams (LMA, KD, Horford) the vast majority of big FA's stay with their current team because of the financial advantage.

Will be interesting to see what the market is for Russ. Can OKC really trade WB? Can they survive losing both KD and WB? They lost KD for nothing, so does that play into their decision? Or do you have to keep him and hope you re-sign him because trading him won't net you anything and the risk of losing him for nothing is the best choice because of the heightened chance to re-sign him.

From other teams perspective, how much do you give up for a guy you can sign outright in FA?

[tonight...you]

fair enough thanks for answering. Seems risky. To a team with a lot of roleplayers like Boston and Milwaukee, they are better positioned to be gambling at this point.
For Spurs, I feel like a gamble that doesn't pay off will put the team out for good, bc Spurs have already wiped out their depth the last couple of seasons. To trade picks and the guys they are hoping to develop to rebuild that depth away and then lose Russ will set us back. If they took Tony or Manu I would not have a problem. The problem is they will probably want our best roleplayers, prospects and picks. I am not comfortable with that.

That's the life of a small market team living off of their incredibly good fortunes.
I do like the idea of having an entire season of Pop charming and coaching the pants off of Russell.

There's some real potential there.

[SAGirl]

Sort of, but getting his bird rights and the ability to sign him for the 5th year is a huge advantage. Despite the influx of players leaving their teams (LMA, KD, Horford) the vast majority of big FA's stay with their current team because of the financial advantage.

Will be interesting to see what the market is for Russ. Can OKC really trade WB? Can they survive losing both KD and WB? They lost KD for nothing, so does that play into their decision? Or do you have to keep him and hope you re-sign him because trading him won't net you anything and the risk of losing him for nothing is the best choice because of the heightened chance to re-sign him.

From other teams perspective, how much do you give up for a guy you can sign outright in FA?

See my answer above. I am not comfortable on giving up much in fact. I know that our roleplayers, prospects and picks objectively are not worth 1 Westbrook, but they are worth a lot to the Spurs subjectively. Could be as risky as making us worse within a season. I'd wait to pursue him in FA unless Russ signs an extension.

[SAGirl]

It could work
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=j9wb2zo

[Joseph Kony]

http://www.si.com/nba/video/2016/07/...rade-scenarios

is this guy for real? Doubt Philly would give Okafor away for Patty Mills or Fathead

[ElNono]

http://www.si.com/nba/video/2016/07/...rade-scenarios

is this guy for real? Doubt Philly would give Okafor away for Patty Mills or Fathead

[Ditty]

If OKC really wants to stick it to the Durant, they would trade Wesbrook to SA tbh.

I bet OKC wants a team to take on Kanter's contract in order for them to trade Westbrook though. Spurs would have to probably find a third team that would be willing to take on Parker's contract. I could see OKC wanting Spurs drafts picks in 2017, 2019, and 2021 at least. All unprotected. Two of them might not matter as they would be picking at the very end for at least the next three seasons.

Could see OKC wanting Murray, Anderson and possibly even Milutinov. Six first round talents for Westbrook who may leave for nothing. OKC isn't signing anyone in free agency unless they overpay. They will have to tank for at least two seasons and hope they get lucky again.

[Mnky]

Draft picks always matter. You can't half your team Max and then sign free agents. You have to draft and play role players, not to mention develop for the future. Look at how great Brooklyn is doing without their draft picks. Even if they had late first rounders, they would be twice the team they are now.

[SAGirl]

http://www.si.com/nba/video/2016/07/...rade-scenarios

is this guy for real? Doubt Philly would give Okafor away for Patty Mills or Fathead

They need wings and 3 pts shooting really, really badly and are now getting to a kind of desperate situation with their bigs bc they have too many. It generates discord over playing time and guys games don't fit with each other. Simmons can't shoot and looks to have the ball a lot. Surely one would think they could extract a better wing from someone somewhere, maybe Otto Porter, maybe Kelly Oubre, but what other wings from the past 2 drafts look better TBH (aside of Wiggins and Lavine who are not for trade?) No doubt in Philly he would be better than Staukas for example. Him shooting that 3 has made him appealing. This is good for the Spurs.

[ace3g]

David Pick ‏@IAmDPick

San Antonio Spurs stash Cady Lalanne, and Willie Warren, have both signed in China with Zhejiang Banks, sources said.

[Chinook]

Good. That's one player the team doesn't have to worry about, and it opens up a potential spot for Nnoko in camp.

Probably not the stash people wanted to hear about, though.

[Chinook]

fair enough thanks for answering. Seems risky. To a team with a lot of roleplayers like Boston and Milwaukee, they are better positioned to be gambling at this point.
For Spurs, I feel like a gamble that doesn't pay off will put the team out for good, bc Spurs have already wiped out their depth the last couple of seasons. To trade picks and the guys they are hoping to develop to rebuild that depth away and then lose Russ will set us back. If they took Tony or Manu I would not have a problem. The problem is they will probably want our best roleplayers, prospects and picks. I am not comfortable with that.

Eh, it's not as big of a risk as it seems. The Spurs would be opening up a max slot by making this trade, so they'd have a chance at someone like Paul or Lowery if Westbrook left. And trading for him openings up the possibility of having the MLE and being able to re-sign guys like Simmons or Gasol if it comes to that. There's utility in doing it this way rather than having to wait until next summer before just dumping those guys for nothing like they've been doing.

And this all ignores that with Westbrook (especially if the team somehow kept Green), the gap between the Spurs and Warriors shrinks to almost nothing. Winning a le this season is worth any prospect the Spurs have, and I say that as a person who wouldn't trade Anderson or Murray for almost anything.

[Mr. Body]

The Spurs with Westbrook next year is a team I'd likely pick over the Warriors. The Spurs would be much better balanced, plus the Warriors are pretty gutted inside. With no rim protectors Westbrook would run roughshod. I mean, I don't know what Golden State could do. and that's before his revenge factor kicking in, too.

[coachmac87]

Eh, it's not as big of a risk as it seems. The Spurs would be opening up a max slot by making this trade, so they'd have a chance at someone like Paul or Lowery if Westbrook left. And trading for him openings up the possibility of having the MLE and being able to re-sign guys like Simmons or Gasol if it comes to that. There's utility in doing it this way rather than having to wait until next summer before just dumping those guys for nothing like they've been doing.

And this all ignores that with Westbrook (especially if the team somehow kept Green), the gap between the Spurs and Warriors shrinks to almost nothing. Winning a le this season is worth any prospect the Spurs have, and I say that as a person who wouldn't trade Anderson or Murray for almost anything.

Other than "Nope" why'd you disagree about trading LMA? You don't like the idea of what the team would be? You think it'd be a bad look for the Spurs?

[montgod]

Eh, it's not as big of a risk as it seems. The Spurs would be opening up a max slot by making this trade, so they'd have a chance at someone like Paul or Lowery if Westbrook left. And trading for him openings up the possibility of having the MLE and being able to re-sign guys like Simmons or Gasol if it comes to that. There's utility in doing it this way rather than having to wait until next summer before just dumping those guys for nothing like they've been doing.

And this all ignores that with Westbrook (especially if the team somehow kept Green), the gap between the Spurs and Warriors shrinks to almost nothing. Winning a le this season is worth any prospect the Spurs have, and I say that as a person who wouldn't trade Anderson or Murray for almost anything.

Agreed.

[Chinook]

Other than "Nope" why'd you disagree about trading LMA? You don't like the idea of what the team would be? You think it'd be a bad look for the Spurs?

The Spurs need LMA. Russ and Kawhi are a slightly worse version of KD and Russ. LMA gives them a legit Big Three, and if that could be maintained with Green and Gasol, I'd put that as the top first unit in the league. The moment you start trying to run Gasol as a PF, you pretty much ruin him, and starting a guy like Anderson at PF isn't exactly the way to take advantage of the Warriors' lack of size.

[coachmac87]

The Spurs need LMA. Russ and Kawhi are a slightly worse version of KD and Russ. LMA gives them a legit Big Three, and if that could be maintained with Green and Gasol, I'd put that as the top first unit in the league. The moment you start trying to run Gasol as a PF, you pretty much ruin him, and starting a guy like Anderson at PF isn't exactly the way to take advantage of the Warriors' lack of size.

But we're talking about realistic options. Only way Spurs keep Green is if they trade Parker...which isn't going to happen right?? If we trade Green, Mills, Anderson or whatever for Westbrook I dunno if we actually are good enough. I don't need a "Big 3" to win a le. I want Green/Westbrook/Leonard back court..and the only realistic way of getting that is trading LMA.

Gasol would be guarding the same guys Duncan would..while Dedmon would be guarding the Forwards and "running". Now my idea does put a lot of stock in Dedmon but there's risk in any realistic option of getting Westbrook. I'd just rather take that risk in the front court than the back court. And with my idea we'd still have ALL our young players (Anderson, Murray) and veteran leadership in Parker and Manu.

I also don't buy the argument made by some not necessarily you about trading LMA isn't a good look...well EVERYTHING changed and got flipped upside down when KD went to GSW. You do what it takes to make the best TEAM..not a BIG 3.