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    St Ronnie was a ing disaster.

    Corporate inversions, costing the USA $100Bs in corporate taxes? St Ronnie

    USSR went bankrupt from a decades-long mismanaged economy (couldn't feed itself, bought wheat from USA), collapse of oil price (only source of hard currency, $$$), and Afghanistan. St Ronnie had all to do with any of that.

    He ed up Central America which is still ed up, sending 100Ks of refugees to USA.

    He and his Repugs have NO major accomplishments. voodoo economics, trickle down, laffer curve, and of course he pandered to southern racists, opened his campgaign in famous Philadelphia MI, and was all for Confederate "states rights".

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    So the question was how do you get enthused at political speeches, and you jump to The Third Reich? There has been enthusiasm at every national convention In modern American political history, yet you make a comparison to Nazi Germany? Inappropriate and ignorant of American history.

    In typical vy65 fashion, you lean toward edgy (Maynard Manson) retorts to envoke emotion rather than fact based rational responses.

    You're the Donald Trump equivalent of ST.
    It was actually a good take. Germany was beaten down and in ruins after WWI.....hitler comes in with his agenda and powerful message and gives an entire nation hope again, somethong to believe in and fight for......whether it was evil or not, doesn't matter......the point is, his political speeches brought great energy and excitement to his audiences.

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    Hitler's message was essentially, "Make Germany great again." So if we're going to throw out the tired analogy of "X = Hitler", I think people are using poor points of comparison.

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    REPUBLICANS ACCUSE OBAMA OF USING POSITION AS PRESIDENT TO LEAD COUNTRY


    WASHINGTON — Responding to reports that President Obama is considering signing as many as nineteen executive orders on gun control, Republicans in Congress unleashed a blistering attack on him today, accusing Mr. Obama of “cynically and systematically using his position as President to lead the country.

    Spearheading the offensive was Rep. Steve Stockman (R-Texas), who charged the President with the “wanton exploitation of powers that are legally granted to him under the U.S. Cons ution.”

    Calling him the “Law Professor-in-Chief,” Rep. Stockman accused Mr. Obama of “manipulating a little-known section of the Cons ution,” Article II, which outlines the power of the President.

    “President Obama looks down the list of all of the powers that are legally his and he’s like a kid in a candy store,” Rep. Stockman said. “It’s nauseating.”


    The Texas congressman said that if Mr. Obama persists in executing the office of the Presidency as defined by the Cons ution, he could face “impeachment and/or deportation.”


    Noting that the President has not yet signed the executive orders on gun control, Rep. Stockman said that he hoped his stern words would serve as a wake-up call to Mr. Obama:

    “Mr. President, there’s still time for you to get in line. But if you continue to fulfill the duties of President of the United States that are expressly permitted in the Cons ution, you are playing with fire.”

    http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/republicans-accuse-obama-of-using-position-as-president-to-lead-country



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    We've exchanged lots of posts on what Rick Scott has done for education - go back and look them up. What do you think pulls people out of poverty (if it's not education)?
    It's just I can't remember which talking points you have mentioned which are actually BS. Here have some fun with this: https://stateimpact.npr.org/florida/tag/rick-scott/

    The first bill Scott signed into law required all state school districts to design a system to evaluate teachers and then pay teachers based on their rating.

    The bill also stripped long-term teacher contracts, riling teachers and their unions and sparking a lawsuit challenging the law.
    Scott also angered many when he vetoed capital funding for repairs and construction at traditional public schools and universities while signing off on similar money for charters.
    Gov. Rick Scott’s budget veto list broke records Tuesday, and education projects weren’t spared despite Scott’s emphasis on K-12 funding this year.
    But during his first year in office, he balanced the budget by cutting $1.3 billion from public schools.
    ^ Some highlights of how awesome Rick Scott is for underprivileged kids seeking an education.

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    It's just I can't remember which talking points you have mentioned which are actually BS. Here have some fun with this: https://stateimpact.npr.org/florida/tag/rick-scott/

    ^ Some highlights of how awesome Rick Scott is for underprivileged kids seeking an education.
    Scott is a KocK Bros/ALEC/VRWC dream puppet governor, which means he's a nightmare for the 99%, but some the 99% are too ing stupid to see the nightmare.

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    How bad were people hurting at the end of 2008, when your president presided over 2 million job losses in 4 months, the worst in 60 years? Handed off the country to the next administration in complete and total disaster?
    Without cosigning your post, I think the general point of comparing things right now to things at the end of 2008 is the Democrats' most powerful position if they're going to play the "everything is pretty awesome" point of rhetoric.

    The President, I think, did a good job in his speech of saying - basically - that if you think things are bad right now, you should remember where we were in 2008. He can make a pretty clear argument that what portions of his policies did get enacted early in his first term have at least held the macro economy pretty steady for the ensuing 6 years and that there have been objective signs of growth on that macro level.

    He can also make a strong argument -- one I expect to become more prevalent as the campaign wears on and this becomes at least in part about some down-ballot races -- that he's been completely stymied in trying to accomplish anything since the GOP reclaimed the Congress by their absolute obstruction of anything that this President offers.

    His evidence will be that what he's done has generally worked and the argument/inference he can offer will be that if he'd been permitted to continue implementing his policies, those policies would have lifted more people.

    Obviously, there will be substantial disagreement from the Right about that notion, but taking that tack allows the Democrats to stick with the notion that things are better now than they were in 2008 (when even more people were hurting), while putting the "Obstruct Everything" plank of the Republican philosophy on the ballot.

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    It's just I can't remember which talking points you have mentioned which are actually BS. Here have some fun with this: https://stateimpact.npr.org/florida/tag/rick-scott/









    ^ Some highlights of how awesome Rick Scott is for underprivileged kids seeking an education.
    Under Rick Scott, K-12 school choice will happen - kids will be able to go to any public school they choose (as long as there is space) even across county lines. What you see as stripping long-term teacher contracts, riling teachers and their unions - I see as a good thing for kids - getting rid of bad teachers. You would prefer to side with teachers' unions to the detriment of our kids. I say get rid of bad teachers, allow school compe ion and kids to go to better schools of their choice.

    Under Rick Scott, we continue to have very low college tuition $6K+ for a year's tuition at UF and other state universities. We have Bright Future's Scholarship that pays about 1/2 of college tuition - there's Florida Incentive Scholarship for National Merit honors to keep our best students in FL and there will be $10k (total for 4 years) degrees.

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    John Mccain hates him because he is bought and is part of the establishment and has been in congress 33 years
    he also is afraid trump will cause him not to get relected but it it is his sorry ass that is the problem!

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    John Mccain hates him because he is bought and is part of the establishment and has been in congress 33 years
    he also is afraid trump will cause him not to get relected but it it is his sorry ass that is the problem!
    I guess then that it must be that nobody dislikes Trump because Trump proposes things (and says things) that reasonable people could think are reckless or worse.

    In the end, the only reason people could possibly dislike Trump is that they are part of the establishment and have been bought and sold by special interests, leaving them wholly incapable of thinking for themselves.

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    "the only reason people could possibly dislike Trump is that they are part of the establishment "

    should this be blue'd?

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    Obama Refers to Himself 119 Times During Hillary Nominating Speech

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    I have no respect for john maccain all he does is fly home on weekends and watch dbacks game and they shove his face on tv
    now he is trying to use a former dback player on tv to help get his sorry but relected
    and do not forget he will be sure to tell you 100000 of times he was captured in a war

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    both parties are bought by lobisist and special interest groups
    that is why they fear a trump becoming president!

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    "the only reason people could possibly dislike Trump is that they are part of the establishment "

    should this be blue'd?
    I'm not sure who actually responds to ducks without at least a little bit of sarcasm.

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    I can't even sit through an Obama speech anymore. I think he is smart and has done a great job. But there is a disconnect between how great he thinks things are and how great they actually are for many people.

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    I can't even sit through an Obama speech anymore. I think he is smart and has done a great job. But there is a disconnect between how great he thinks things are and how great they actually are for many people.
    I don't know, I keep hearing how our poor are so well off that we need to cut back en lements (they even have TV's and video game consoles), so things must be pretty good.

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    Under Rick Scott, K-12 school choice will happen - kids will be able to go to any public school they choose (as long as there is space) even across county lines.
    That's absolutely not the answer, though. All that does is give a huge advantage to people who are already in good school districts and to people who are mobile enough to go to distant schools. It's just not practical for the people who need it most. There is and there should be a huge difference between public services and private services. Having the best public services possible just needs to be the standard. There shouldn't be a compe ion between parents for which of their children will get to have a legitimate education.

    What you see as stripping long-term teacher contracts, riling teachers and their unions - I see as a good thing for kids - getting rid of bad teachers. You would prefer to side with teachers' unions to the detriment of our kids.
    I think that's about as optimistic as one could look at that. I don't know if you know many teachers, but from the ones I know, it's a thankless job that doesn't need to become more thankless by people instantly antagonizing them. While there are definitely teachers who both need to go and who need a kick in the pants to increase their performance, there are many who care but are at the breaking point. I've been at schools where all the good teachers up and left in the span of a couple of years due to different management standards. We went from an up-and-coming Gates school to Lean on Me almost overnight. You can't leverage people's feelings of commitment forever. Those who have the means to get out will eventually.

    Under Rick Scott, we continue to have very low college tuition $6K+ for a year's tuition at UF and other state universities. We have Bright Future's Scholarship that pays about 1/2 of college tuition - there's Florida Incentive Scholarship for National Merit honors to keep our best students in FL and there will be $10k (total for 4 years) degrees.
    Now that's cool, provided it is indeed how you've presented it here. It's definitely a step in the right direction to have cheap tuition for public universities.

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    I can't even sit through an Obama speech anymore. I think he is smart and has done a great job. But there is a disconnect between how great he thinks things are and how great they actually are for many people.
    things would be a LOT BETTER for 10Ms if the Repugs hadn't been firing Ms of people, cutting govt budgets at all levels, blocking govt stimulus, etc.

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    I don't know, I keep hearing how our poor are so well off that we need to cut back en lements (they even have TV's and video game consoles), so things must be pretty good.
    Many do of course, but those can be had quite cheap, so it shouldn't justify benefit cut backs especially when we are wasting money elsewhere.

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    things would be a LOT BETTER for 10Ms if the Repugs hadn't been firing Ms of people, cutting govt budgets at all levels, blocking govt stimulus, etc.
    We would have even more debt with more gov stimulus. But yes, republicans have plenty to do with the bad side of the economy.

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    We would have even more debt with more gov stimulus. But yes, republicans have plenty to do with the bad side of the economy.
    The debt really isn't an issue. The issue is the deficit and the long-term projection of it. Like if you're $100k in debt because you just bought a sports car, that's stupid. If you're $100k in debt because you just bought your first home, that's fine. If you're $100k in debt because you've just bought a flip that you've agreed to sell for $140k in two weeks, well that's fantastic.

    If the stimulus is working, then it being a bigger seems like a good thing.

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    That's absolutely not the answer, though. All that does is give a huge advantage to people who are already in good school districts and to people who are mobile enough to go to distant schools. It's just not practical for the people who need it most. There is and there should be a huge difference between public services and private services. Having the best public services possible just needs to be the standard. There shouldn't be a compe ion between parents for which of their children will get to have a legitimate education.



    I think that's about as optimistic as one could look at that. I don't know if you know many teachers, but from the ones I know, it's a thankless job that doesn't need to become more thankless by people instantly antagonizing them. While there are definitely teachers who both need to go and who need a kick in the pants to increase their performance, there are many who care but are at the breaking point. I've been at schools where all the good teachers up and left in the span of a couple of years due to different management standards. We went from an up-and-coming Gates school to Lean on Me almost overnight. You can't leverage people's feelings of commitment forever. Those who have the means to get out will eventually.



    Now that's cool, provided it is indeed how you've presented it here. It's definitely a step in the right direction to have cheap tuition for public universities.
    They are already doing magnet schools which are deliberately located in bad neighborhoods but the parents do not take advantage of them (they require a special early application). School choice will open up all schools say, along the route to work or near to other relatives. At least, it gives parents and kids a choice - instead of being stuck in bad neighborhood schools.

    What are your ideas of how to improve education - specifically k-12?

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    Trash, nor ANY Repug, would ever deliver this kind of speech:

    "See, my grandparents, they came from the heartland," President Obama said last night in his address to the Democratic National Convention.

    "Their ancestors began settling there about 200 years ago. I don't know if they had their birth certificates, but they were there."


    "They were Scotch-Irish mostly, farmers, teachers, ranch hands, pharmacists, oil rig workers. Hardy, small-town folk. Some were Democrats, but a lot of them, maybe even most of them, were Republicans, the party of Lincoln."


    "And my grandparents explained that folks in these parts, they didn't like show-offs, they didn't admire braggarts or bullies."


    "They didn't respect mean-spiritedness or folks who were always looking for shortcuts in life. Instead, what they valued were traits like honesty and hard work, kindness, courtesy, humility, responsibility; helping each other out. That's what they believed in. True things, things that last, the things we try to teach our kids."


    "And what my grandparents understood was that these values weren't limited to Kansas. They weren't limited to small towns. These values could travel to Hawaii. They could travel even to the other side of the world, where my mother would end up working to help poor women get a better life trying to apply those values."


    "My grandparents knew these values weren't reserved for one race; they could be passed down to a half-Kenyan grandson, or a half-Asian granddaughter; in fact, they were the same values Mic e's parents, the descendants of slaves, taught their own kids living in a bungalow on the south side of Chicago."


    "They knew these values were exactly what drew immigrants here, and they believed that the children of those immigrants were just as American as their own, whether they wore a cowboy hat or a yarmulke, a baseball cap or a hijab."


    "America has changed over the years. But these values that my grandparents taught me, they haven't gone anywhere. They're as strong as ever; still cherished by people of every party, every race, every faith. They live on in each of us. What makes us American, what makes us patriots is what's in here [pointing to heart]."


    "That's what matters."


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ic-convention/

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    The debt really isn't an issue. The issue is the deficit and the long-term projection of it. Like if you're $100k in debt because you just bought a sports car, that's stupid. If you're $100k in debt because you just bought your first home, that's fine. If you're $100k in debt because you've just bought a flip that you've agreed to sell for $140k in two weeks, well that's fantastic.

    If the stimulus is working, then it being a bigger seems like a good thing.
    The stimulus would not have been the most latter of your analogies. That's a massive over promise of the effects of stimulus.

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