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    Reality is stating the fact that the Orlando shooter proclaimed allegiance to the IS. Xenophobia is suggesting that anyone who practices Islam should be suspect or accountable as a result. If you don't think a massive amount of antagonism happens towards Muslims every time a Muslim is implicated in a major crime, you must not have Internet access.
    Evidently, #notAllMuslims wasn't very effective.

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    Terrorism's source is 3rd world, war torn countries where the dominant religion is Islam. Many of those areas didn't necessarily become 3rd world as a result of Muslim dominance directly, but most have turned to a radicalized form of Islam as a reaction to their poverty. From a recruiting standpoint, it makes much more sense for these radical groups to appeal to someone's Muslim faith than to use a minority faith.

    Tribalism is common for poor and uneducated people. In areas of extreme North American poverty, this manifests itself in gang membership. Many violent criminals define iden y based on gangs or cartels (worth noting that many of them attend Christian church services, but we don't often dig into the religion/church attendance past of violent criminals who aren't Muslim.) Association with gangs gives them iden y and a perceived sense of power, and "code" gives them direction.

    No one can argue that both faiths are used to radicalize criminals equally. But turning this fact into su ion towards all followers of Islam is just more lowbrow tribalism. Most radical Islamic terrorists, particularly in the states, were not radicalized by typical places of Muslim fellowship or worship like their local mosque.
    islam's apex coincides with the regions most prosperous time. make <insert tribal iden y here> great again is a good line, and for people in those countries that means going hard to islam. Its kind of disturbing though that the most secular leaders in the region have regularly been deposed/disposed by western powers in favor of religious nuts.

    comparing with south america is asinine. we've been assimilated to the west for hundreds of years, but when was going down there were terrorist groups fighting back, attacking embassies, etc. If the US had drones/cruise missiles bombing people in south america every 3 months for over 20 years then you can make the comparison.

    where are all the muslim terrorist malaysians and indians and cameroonians? oh thats right their neighborhoods arent bombed regularly, where does terrorism come from? an eye for an eye, once blood is spilled the taste for revenge is what can turn a muslim, christian, atheist, rich, poor whatever into a terrorist. a lot of these guys are 2nd, 3rd generation immigrants, but they still have family over there. they here stories of all the thats gone down. and they see the contempt and disrespect westerners have towards their culture. americans love to talk , right after 9/11, shock and awe, blast them to the stone age etc. and here we are now, on the next cycle.

    in those months after 9/11 a bunch of people i knew who werent even muslims got harassed, in fights, and a couple who actually were muslim got detained for weeks for no reason. if people are going to insist on profiling as the means to stop terrorism, can we at least be accurate and profile the place these dudes come from instead of their religion? because your aim would improve by about 70% with that filter.

    this is like when people say marijuana is a gateway drug. just because 90% of X did Y, doesnt mean 90% of Y did X.

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    The weapons there went to druglords and cartels instead.
    yeah i totally remember the cartels launching random attacks/violence to innocent civilians of other countries in the name of cocaine

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    yeah i totally remember the cartels launching random attacks/violence to innocent civilians of other countries in the name of cocaine
    Google: Mexican cartel kidnapping.

    Also, cut the sarcastic bull and have an adult conversation for once. State your position.

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    Google: Mexican cartel kidnapping.
    yes. because when i said "lahcning attacks to innocent civilians of other countries" the mexican cartels kidnapping is RIGHT there with isis suicide attacks
    Also, cut the sarcastic bull and have an adult conversation for once.
    i made one sarcastic comment in this current convo and then cut the sarcasm
    State your position.
    i already did.

    saying "the bible says mean stuff too" is irrelevant. we dont have a current parallel to radical islam

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    yes. because when i said "lahcning attacks to innocent civilians of other countries" the mexican cartels kidnapping is RIGHT there with isis suicide attacks
    Why wouldn't it be? Cartels have kidnapped and killed thousands to intimidate and maintain power, and so do terrorists.

    i made one sarcastic comment in this current convo and then cut the sarcasm
    Doubling down with emojis now, solid work.

    Your contributions so far have been primarily to nit-pick certain pieces of other posts but you have yet to give your actual position on Islam or your opinion of what we should be doing about it.

    i already did.

    saying "the bible says mean stuff too" is irrelevant. we dont have a current parallel to radical islam
    The source texts of both religions were written 2000+ years ago. If your argument is that Christianity can't be used to justify violence, examples from hundreds of years ago are relevant as a rebuttal. Examples don't have to be "current." The source religious texts haven't changed. Interpretations and sociopolitical environments in the places where these religions are dominant have.

    But then again, that may not be your main argument, I wouldn't know.

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    sigh

    Why wouldn't it be? Cartels have kidnapped and killed thousands to intimidate and maintain power, and so do terrorists.
    "innocent civilians of other countries"

    the amount of times cartels kidnap from outside their borders are minuscule compared to the work of IS



    Doubling down with emojis now, solid work.
    doubling down on deflecting. solid work

    Your contributions so far have been primarily to nit-pick certain pieces of other posts but you have yet to give your actual position on Islam or your opinion of what we should be doing about it.
    i've given my position more than once. your choosing to ignore it or attempts to make something more of it is your problem and your problem alone. i haven't given an opinion of what we should be doing about it. i've pointed out that in the current world, the only one i care about, there is no christian (or any other religion, sect, etc) parallel to isis


    The source texts of both religions were written 2000+ years ago.
    false. islam, muhammad, the quran are all roughly 1500 years old

    If your argument is that Christianity can't be used to justify violence
    it isn't. i never said that.

    examples from hundreds of years ago are relevant as a rebuttal. Examples don't have to be "current." The source religious texts haven't changed. Interpretations and sociopolitical environments in the places where these religions are dominant have.
    see above. i only care about the current world. 150 years ago the republicans were the "party of lincoln" and 50 some years ago the republicans were the ones pushing the civil rights act.

    But then again, that may not be your main argument, I wouldn't know.
    stop being sarcastic!

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    lol "could"... It rarely is, though, at least in comparison to Islam. You've been going around asking everybody "what should we do about Islam?" Let me ask you this. Why do you think Islam is used to justify violence at a rate significantly higher than any other religion, such as Christianity, even though both religions "could" be used to justify it?
    because they grew up with the Koran in the house instead of the bible?

    I don't really know and it's really irrelevant, tbh.

    And lol at bringing up hundreds of years old crusades every time. 150 years ago the Republicans were the "party of Lincoln."
    Yeah, I bring it up every time because it makes the point that fundamental Christianity is horrific.

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    it's one thing for a criminal to be Muslim and it's entirely different for him to commit his crimes in the name of his faith

    And let's not pretend Muslim countries are the only 3rd world countries with poverty and general socioeconomic issues.
    K, what do you propose be done about the religion of Islam here in America?

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    lol "could"... It rarely is, though...
    So we agree it is. But you black knights against Islam still give Christianity a pass.
    Last edited by Blake; 08-09-2016 at 09:41 AM.

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    Modern day radical Islam started after 1979 with the Iranian Revolution which led to the Saudis becoming more hardliners as well. Iran directly involved itself against Israel, created Hezbollah and helped start a civil war in Lebanon while the Saudis were paying for foreign fighters to go into Afghanistan to fight the Soviets as well as building madrasas in Pakistan which helped teach and create the Taliban in the early 90s. Once the Soviets were out of the picture, the U.S. became the target of the Al-Qaeda types in the 90s during the Gulf War when the U.S were stationed in Saudi Arabia and fighting against a soverign "Muslim" country even though that country invaded another "Muslim" country before that. Back to the Iranians, they were already targeting the U.S. in the 80s using their proxies in Lebanon whether it was bombings or kidnappings.

    The tide was turning against the radical groups after 9/11 until the Iraq war created destabilization in the region as well as helping Iran by removing a hated enemy in Saddam and instead placing a new Shia gov't.

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    So we agree it is. But you black knights against Islam still give it a pass.
    The problem is when attacking Islam, you're painting a broad brush even though the religion is practiced in so many different ways with different sects/groups. Better to focus on the radical ones who use other sources outside of the Quran like the thousands of Hadiths compiled centuries after the religion was founded.

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    Don't you have a fart joke thread to get back to

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    So we agree it is. But you black knights against Islam still give Christianity a pass.
    No, I don't.

    What exactly am I giving Christianity a pass for? The Bible says some absolutely horrific things that if followed would be catastrophic (selling disobedient daughter into slavery, etc)

    But where on earth do we currently see fundamentalist Christians practicing everything the Bible says?

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    K, what do you propose be done about the religion of Islam here in America?
    Islam in America is fine tbh, outside the the small handful of lone wolves that you can't do much about anyway.

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    Yes, you do unless you're back tracking now.

    "Rarely" still counts.

    What exactly am I giving Christianity a pass for? The Bible says some absolutely horrific things that if followed would be catastrophic (selling disobedient daughter into slavery, etc)

    But where on earth do we currently see fundamentalist Christians practicing everything the Bible says?
    Are you angry about Islam itself or just the ignorant followers?

    Make up your mind.

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    Don't you have a fart joke thread to get back to
    Is there one?! I didn't see it.

    Besides, how could I miss you pretending to know all about every religion again? Tell us all the story again about how evil Christianity is but you have your daughter in a Christian school. Do you think she is going to grow up to be a right wing nut too? Or do you just have her in there so you can debate with her?

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    Islam in America is fine tbh, outside the the small handful of lone wolves that you can't do much about anyway.
    K, what do you want to do about Islam outside of America?

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    Is there one?! I didn't see it.

    Besides, how could I miss you pretending to know all about every religion again? Tell us all the story again about how evil Christianity is but you have your daughter in a Christian school. Do you think she is going to grow up to be a right wing nut too? Or do you just have her in there so you can debate with her?
    If you're embarrassed that you can't keep up here feel the need to take a lame jab at me, that's on you.

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    If you're embarrassed that you can't keep up here feel the need to take a lame jab at me, that's on you.
    LMAO Keep up? You're kidding, right? Keep up with "What do you propose?" "What do you think we should do?" What are your plans?"

    All you do is ask the same tired questions in every religion thread. You continue to talk down about Christianity and how horrible it is but continue to send your daughter to a school where they teach their beliefs.

    How about... make up YOUR mind. If it is so horrible, why expose your child to that hateful evil religion? Why put her in a position to be exposed to beliefs that could harm her later in life?

    Also, you mentioned a fart thread but failed to provide information on where said fart thread is located.

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    Yes, you do unless you're back tracking now.

    "Rarely" still counts.
    Show me giving Christians a pass after an isis-like attack


    Are you angry about Islam itself or just the ignorant followers?

    Make up your mind.
    You're bad at the chump game tbh

    I'm not angry about Islam. Islam is not inherently much worse than Christianity when texts are taken literally. A bit more violent but they're all deplorable.

    As I've said routinely, there is no parallel to modern radical/fundamentalist/jihadi Islam. Therefore, with even the slightest bit of deductive reasoning, you would have figured out a while ago that I take issue with the prac ioners, not the religion. So the "what do we do about Islam" question is moot as far as I'm concerned.

    Let me ask you, what do you think we should do about radical islam/isis? Endure until they run out of suicide dudes?

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    K, what do you want to do about Islam outside of America?
    Love them all so they stop attacking

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    "Rarely" still counts.

    Lulz

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    LMAO Keep up? You're kidding, right? Keep up with "What do you propose?" "What do you think we should do?" What are your plans?"

    All you do is ask the same tired questions in every religion thread. You continue to talk down about Christianity and how horrible it is but continue to send your daughter to a school where they teach their beliefs.

    How about... make up YOUR mind. If it is so horrible, why expose your child to that hateful evil religion? Why put her in a position to be exposed to beliefs that could harm her later in life?

    Also, you mentioned a fart thread but failed to provide information on where said fart thread is located.
    Lol

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