Europe: [Futbol] Looking at the Olympics...

[DAF86]

If you want a high scoring futbol match then I suggest you follow Futsal:

Yet nobody gives a about futsal. Just more proof of what I'm saying, tbh.

[Kawhitstorm]

Yet nobody gives a about futsal. Just more proof of what I'm saying, tbh.

But...but...but, they score too many goals.

[Caltex2]

Well, then you should be able to infer that the "cheapness" thing isn't the reason why so many folks around the World love the sport. That's just some misconception staters have of the sport 'cause they feel left out. "They like that sport 'cause they don't have the money we have to like our sports"

Yes that is it, as well the fact people grew up with it. If most people grew up with handball they'd be talking about how great it is and call it "The Beautiful Game." I grew up with basketball, baseball and football, so I talk a lot about them and follow them. Hockey to a lesser extent.

[DAF86]

Yes that is it, as well the fact people grew up with it. If most people grew up with handball they'd be talking about how great it is and call it "The Beautiful Game." I grew up with basketball, baseball and football, so I talk a lot about them and follow them. Hockey to a lesser extent.

And people around the globe grow up with it why? By chance?

Or is it because since day one soccer was more liked than other sports?

[Caltex2]

And people around the globe grow up with it why? By chance?

Or is it because since day one soccer was more liked than other sports?

Pretty much. You think if basketball was a major sport in 1900 that it may be called America's pastime instead of baseball? I grew up in the Houston area. You think I'd give a funk about any Houston sports teams if I grew up in Phoenix? What you grow up with and what you have access to helps determine what your interest are, as a child and generally for life. It starts early and usually is a gradually continuing interest.

If you guys love soccer be my guest, though it does make me wonder how on some levels.

[midnightpulp]

And people around the globe grow up with it why? By chance?

Or is it because since day one soccer was more liked than other sports?

You can't deny the accessibility of it played a huge role in its spread.

Goat's head, 4 trashcans from the Favela dump to mark off goals, some Brazilians, and you got yourself a game. No hoops, bats, gloves, helmets, sticks, pins, etc, etc. No convoluted rules, either. He's a ball. Kick it toward the goal.

Objectively, I think it's an averagely designed game, but you can't beat the cost efficiency factor. You can play it with some wadded up newspaper in a run down parking lot or dirt field.

[Caltex2]

And you can do the same for handball. You think if impoverished Brazilians in favelas saw Pele playing for the national team in a World Cup (assuming it's as big as soccer's WC) that they wouldn't want to grow up and be like him?

Not to sound like I'm pushing handball, IDC what other people like. But I do enjoy it more.

[usdane]

Growing up in Denmark where the game was invented; Soccer was the summer sport and handball the winter sport. handball is an awesome game with lots of physical action. If promoted right it could have a place in America. It's similar to basketball in the entertainment value just a lot more physical; so no reason why it could not work here.

[Brazil]

^Handball is indeed severly underrated like volley ball... those are awesome sports tbh... lots of actions, lots of suspense, tight games, physical, fun

I'm a fan...

[FkLA]

You can't deny the accessibility of it played a huge role in its spread.

Goat's head, 4 trashcans from the Favela dump to mark off goals, some Brazilians, and you got yourself a game. No hoops, bats, gloves, helmets, sticks, pins, etc, etc. No convoluted rules, either. He's a ball. Kick it toward the goal.

Objectively, I think it's an averagely designed game, but you can't beat the cost efficiency factor. You can play it with some wadded up newspaper in a run down parking lot or dirt field.

Wait, you think kids in countries like Venezuela, Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, Cuba, etc where fatball is king grow up with all the proper equipment? I'm sure you could go into many of the slums in those countries and see kids using sticks as bats. You'd probably see them using something other than actual fatballs as well.

Fatball can be simple and inexpensive too just like your description of soccer. The only problem is very few people outside the countries I mentioned+the older generation in Murica gives a about the sport. Games are too long, seasons are too long, too boring, too static, not physically demanding at all.

[midnightpulp]

Wait, you think kids in countries like Venezuela, Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, Cuba, etc where fatball is king grow up with all the proper equipment? I'm sure you could go into many of the slums in those countries and see kids using sticks as bats. You'd probably see them using something other than actual fatballs as well.

Fatball can be simple and inexpensive too just like your description of soccer. The only problem is very few people outside the countries I mentioned+the older generation in Murica gives a about the sport. Games are too long, seasons are too long, too boring, too static, not physically demanding at all.

Yes. Because those countries have baseball academy programs.

You can't just learn baseball instinctually like you can floptrot. It has to be correctly taught.

And baseball is probably the 4th most popular sport in the world (total population of the countries its popular in is about 600-700 million).

Not physically demanding. Okay

Running around isn't physically demanding. Stamina is the easiest to train up. I don't know why you floptrot fans fetishize it so much. Right now, there's a 80 year old running 10K. There's no 80 year olds training to hit hit 100mph fastballs.

[FkLA]

Yes. Because those countries have baseball academy programs.

You can't just learn baseball instinctually like you can floptrot. It has to be correctly taught.

And baseball is probably the 4th most popular sport in the world (total population of the countries its popular in is about 600-700 million).

Not physically demanding. Okay

Running around isn't physically demanding. Stamina is the easiest to train up. I don't know why you floptrot fans fetishize it so much. Right now, there's a 80 year old running 10K. There's no 80 year olds training to hit hit 100mph fastballs.

You think soccer academies don't exist? I guarantee you for every fatball academy theres at least 100 soccer ones.

Funny you bring the age up. IIRC there's two obese 40 year olds in fatball who are above average at their positions. Both look like they could keep playing beyond this season if they wanted to. You don't see that in any other sport besides golf. A couple of at bats, field a couple of plays, maybe get on base once. Sit in the dugout or stand around the rest of the time. That's a typical day at the office for a fatball player. So yeah, not physically demanding at all.

[midnightpulp]

You think soccer academies don't exist? I guarantee you for every fatball academy theres at least 100 soccer ones.

Funny you bring the age up. IIRC there's two obese 40 year olds in fatball who are above average at their positions. Both look like they could keep playing beyond this season if they wanted to. You don't see that in any other sport besides golf. A couple of at bats, field a couple of plays, maybe get on base once. Sit in the dugout or stand around the rest of the time. That's a typical day at the office for a fatball player. So yeah, not physically demanding at all.

Since when does fat=/=athletic?

Once you figure that out, let me know. And "not physically demanding in game" doesn't mean that training isn't physically demanding. A 100m sprinter runs a couple of times per meet for a total of 20 seconds. Golf is, literally, a more physically demanding sport because you're required to walk a 4 mile course. So 100m sprinters aren't athletes now? Even Bolt admits he's never ran a mile.

"No, no. They are. They're 'shredded!'"

That's what this boils down, too. Physique. Which I find funny since you're a fan of the fattest sport in the world.

Golf is one of the hardest sports on Earth. So I don't get the point you're trying to make with that comparison? Constant running and jumping doesn't make a sport hard. In fact, those sports are a lot easier.

[DAF86]

You can't deny the accessibility of it played a huge role in its spread.

Goat's head, 4 trashcans from the Favela dump to mark off goals, some Brazilians, and you got yourself a game. No hoops, bats, gloves, helmets, sticks, pins, etc, etc. No convoluted rules, either. He's a ball. Kick it toward the goal.

Objectively, I think it's an averagely designed game, but you can't beat the cost efficiency factor. You can play it with some wadded up newspaper in a run down parking lot or dirt field.

This guy Caltex2 has named a few sports which are just as "accesible" as soccer, yet nobody gives a about them. It is not a matter of "accesibility" son.

Besides, the whole "accesibility" thing is a bull argument. As a kid I used to play baseball with a stick and a tennis ball (same with golf), rugby with a plastic bottle filled with sand, etc.

That is, just as accesible and, exactly the same as playing soccer with a ball made of socks and goals made of rocks, tbh.

[FkLA]

Since when does fat=/=athletic?

Once you figure that out, let me know. And "not physically demanding in game" doesn't mean that training isn't physically demanding. A 100m sprinter runs a couple of times per meet for a total of 20 seconds. Golf is, literally, a more physically demanding sport because you're required to walk a 4 mile course. So 100m sprinters aren't athletes now? Even Bolt admits he's never ran a mile.

"No, no. They are. They're 'shredded!'"

That's what this boils down, too. Physique. Which I find funny since you're a fan of the fattest sport in the world.

Golf is one of the hardest sports on Earth. So I don't get the point you're trying to make with that comparison? Constant running and jumping doesn't make a sport hard. In fact, those sports are a lot easier.

It's not really that I think fat guys can't be athletic. Some of the football lineman you like to make fun of, on top of the ridiculous strength they possess, are able to move and do things men their size shouldn't be able to. Their size serves a purpose as well, usually lineman bulk but theirs plenty of muscle and strength in their frames. Fatties like Colon just gain the weight because they're fat s who play a fat sport where you can get away with being a fat . You're that out of shape in any other sport and you're going to get punished for it, in fatball it's irrelevant.

The sprinter comparison is dumb. Their event happens to be short, but they go all out for the duration of it. A fatball game isn't short at all, in fact it's too long, and 98% of the time a fatball player is sitting down or standing around. You look like Colon/Fat Papi/or even Miguel Cabrera and you're getting punished for it as a sprinter.

Golf is another fake sport so I'm glad you take pride in the comparison. Any 'sport' that's as static and where fatties roam around like those two shouldn't be considered a sport. Yeah, it's hard to hit a baseball or a golf ball but so what? It's also hard to hit some of the shots professional pool players can hit.

[FkLA]

Golf and fatball should be branded as games not sports imo. Lumped with other games like billiards, bowling, darts, etc.

I'd probably have less of a problem with fatball if that was the case tbh.

[DAF86]

Pretty much. You think if basketball was a major sport in 1900 that it may be called America's pastime instead of baseball? I grew up in the Houston area. You think I'd give a funk about any Houston sports teams if I grew up in Phoenix? What you grow up with and what you have access to helps determine what your interest are, as a child and generally for life. It starts early and usually is a gradually continuing interest.

If you guys love soccer be my guest, though it does make me wonder how on some levels.

OK then, so soccer is the most popular sport in the World just by chance. Why soccer then? You know Soccer isn't the oldest sport in the World son, right? What would make Soccer, and not boxing for ex, the most popular sport in the World?

You bring up baseball, baseball is older than the NFL. If the popularity of a sport is related to the longevity of it, why isn't baseball more popular than the NFL in the States?

[midnightpulp]

It's not really that I think fat guys can't be athletic. Some of the football lineman you like to make fun of, on top of the ridiculous strength they possess, are able to move and do things men their size shouldn't be able to. Their size serves a purpose as well, usually lineman bulk but theirs plenty of muscle and strength in their frames. Fatties like Colon just gain the weight because they're fat s who play a fat sport where you can get away with being a fat . You're that out of shape in any other sport and you're going to get punished for it, in fatball it's irrelevant.

The sprinter comparison is dumb. Their event happens to be short, but they go all out for the duration of it. A fatball game isn't short at all, in fact it's too long, and 98% of the time a fatball player is sitting down or standing around. You look like Colon/Fat Papi/or even Miguel Cabrera and you're getting punished for it as a sprinter.

Golf is another fake sport so I'm glad you take pride in the comparison. Any 'sport' that's as static and where fatties roam around like those two shouldn't be considered a sport. Yeah, it's hard to hit a baseball or a golf ball but so what? It's also hard to hit some of the shots professional pool players can hit.

You're so in' biased, it's funny.

"Well, in my sport, it's different, because, uh, I like that certain sport."

Fat is fat, and lineman are in' fat. And most offensive lineman aren't at all athletic outside of strength.

Again, showing your ignorance of baseball. Weight can help a pitcher increase velocity. And another re ed as thing you and the Mexicanball crew do is cite Colon and CC as examples of the average baseball player. How many more in' times will it take to get through your skull they aren't average baseball players? Average bodyfat percentage is 13.8 league wide.

Nope. Baseball is a true sport. Let's see how your basketball and Mexicanball "athleticism" helps you generate bat speed to hit a ball even 300 feet and helps you throw 80mph (which you can't do)?

Playing elite level billiards is also harder to do than play "athletic" sports. Athletic sports are the easiest , which you would know if you played at an organized level and not just in pick up games with some local Mexicans.

[FkLA]

You're so in' biased, it's funny.

"Well, in my sport, it's different, because, uh, I like that certain sport."

Fat is fat, and lineman are in' fat. And most offensive lineman aren't at all athletic outside of strength.

Again, showing your ignorance of baseball. Weight can help a pitcher increase velocity. And another re ed as thing you and the Mexicanball crew do is cite Colon and CC as examples of the average baseball player. How many more in' times will it take to get through your skull they aren't average baseball players? Average bodyfat percentage is 13.8 league wide.

Nope. Baseball is a true sport. Let's see how your basketball and Mexicanball "athleticism" helps you generate bat speed to hit a ball even 300 feet and helps you throw 80mph (which you can't do)?

Playing elite level billiards is also harder to do than play "athletic" sports. Athletic sports are the easiest , which you would know if you played at an organized level and not just in pick up games with some local Mexicans.

Are you mad, bro? I sense a little racism in your post.

[midnightpulp]

I also find it funny that FKLA props up sprinters forgetting the fact that 90% of an MLB lineup needs to train up their sprint speeds over 90 feet and over 360 feet while turning to their max. Even Clayton Kershaw was reaching near 20mph on the basepaths, not much slower than 30" vertical/dunking on 8 foot rims Mexicanball player Ronaldo.

[DAF86]

I have never seen an internet poster with a bigger penis envy than midnightpulp.

" How can my little 6 year old brother have a bigger than me? "

[midnightpulp]

Are you mad, bro? I sense a little racism in your post.

Dumbass arguments do get me mad, yeah.

But there's no racism. Mexicans like floptrot, thus "Mexicanball."

[midnightpulp]

I have never seen an internet poster with a bigger penis envy than midnightpulp.

" How can my little 6 year old brother have a bigger than me? "

Penis envy of what?

And was this reply meant for the other thread?

[FkLA]

Anyways, let's see aside from Colon and Sabathia I'm going to name fat players off the top of my head:

Babe Ruth
Roger Clemens
Prince Fielder
Tony Gwynn
David Wells
Miguel Cabrera
Aramis Ramirez
John Kruk
Fernando Valenzuela
Fat Papi
Lance Berkman
Curt Schilling
Jim Thome
Livan Hernandez
Molina catchers
Carlos Zambrano

That's just within a minute or two and just some of the higher profile players a casual fan such as myself has heard of. I'm sure there's plenty more fatties that are average or below average that I've never heard of.

[140]

Golf and fatball should be branded as games not sports imo. Lumped with other games like billiards, bowling, darts, etc.

I'd probably have less of a problem with fatball if that was the case tbh.

Sounds good to me tbh