i read through this dumbass thread and already dismantled your re ed take.
Direct quote. Previously posted by Random Guy in this thread. That is what I was responding to, .
http://blacklivesmatter.com/guiding-principles/
That is total bull hyperbole. Blacks are not systematically targeted for death.Black Lives Matter is an ideological and political intervention in a world where Black lives are systematically and intentionally targeted for demise.
yes we are
Where are the death camps? where are the ovens? Where are the mass graves?
Systematically targeting a segment of society for death is holocaust .
Your self pity hyperbole is laughable.
you really are dumb ass . in your opinion there is only one form of systematic racism, which is genocide. BLM got you white supremacists so worked up, y'all take everything they say and apply it to ALL black people haha.
Where are the death camps? where are the ovens? Where are the mass graves?
Systematically targeting a segment of society for death is holocaust .
Your self pity hyperbole is laughable.
death camps= prisons full of black men sentenced to life for they didn't do or petty drug offenses
ovens= death of innocent black men found guilty for crimes they didn't commit by white supremacist jurors, judges, lawyers, the entire system of white supremacy basically.
mass graves= ever heard of black wall street? 3000 blacks killed and thrown in mass graves. millions of lives lost during slave trade, who knows how many more at the hands of white supremacists in the south. unarmed black men, women and children in present time who are killed at the hands of white supremacy every day.
this is you right now btw
By other blacks...sure.
@ Trill still pimpin his straw man.
BLM claimed systematic genocide.
I call bull .
Whatever makes yourself secure for apologizing for a severely racist hate group hoarding money from the black community. You owned no one and you don't understand the idea of a straw man argument. LOL, racist.
It's the Left trying to kill blacks. It's the Left that put them in chains originally, it was the Carter administration that started experimenting with cooking crack, it was the Johnson administration that started the systemic removal of the black man from their society, even though they are the ones that originally enslaved them and now it's the Left telling the black man that everyone is racist and coddling the most abhorrent excuse for an "Activist" group that isn't doing anything their name insinuates, they just riot and use mob violence hidden behind the bogus facade of "Activism".
it isn't any nazi death camp formal government sanctioned system.
What it is, is the kind of soft, apathetic thing where a lot of conscious and unconscious at udes work to make interactions with police far more dangerous for black people than whites.
In that way it is built into our justice/law enforcement system. It takes training, and discussions to change that.
Do you really think you get pulled over on the same frequency as a black guy your same age? Do you think the police at ude is different?
No, it isn't.
What can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.
Your statement is nowhere near the quote of BLM you posted earlier. Hopefully you realize this.
You're wrong, you know you're wrong and you want to bring down the upstanding community that can be objective. You, as a racial supremacist can't wrap your mind around that.
We get it: White people BAD. Black people, with all of their violence, lack of education and employment, are where they are because of the BAD white man. It's all the white man, nothing to do with uneducated crooks in the community, nothing to do with lack of money in the community because no one works, nothing to do with lack of education because everyone would rather not go to school. It's all whitey. Yup.
Random Guy is the Political version of Avante. Just dumber, somehow.
I have a theory:
Conservative politics attracts people who have poor critical thinking skills, are intellectually lazy, and very often dishonest. This is what I call the "intellectual rot" factor.
All I need to prove this is posts like yours. Every time you post stuff like this, it makes my case for me. Funny thing is, like the twoofers claiming 9-11 was an inside job, you can't help yourself. Even when I directly point out how and why you are being lazy and dishonest.
Evidence of a failure of critical thinking:
Strawman logical fallacy. http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html
This is where you make up what someone believes, very often a wildly exaggerated distortion, then pick apart the distortion of what someone says or believes, and think you have defeated their position. You have fought a self-constructed a strawman target, as opposed to fighting an actual opponent.
The strawman fallacy is particularly flawed because in many cases it involves active dishonesty, i.e. actively fabricating a version of someone's beliefs.
Everytime you are asked for evidence, and fail to provide it, that is intellectually lazy, pretty much by definition. Every time you distort someones views, that is intellectually dishonest.
"tldr" = intellectually lazy
So once again, I am going to ask you to support your assertions, with anything that might be called evidence. We can start by examining your first assertion:
"[Black lives matter is a ] devisive, group of hate mongers hiding behind a facade of false pretenses."
Provide some evidence of this. Whatever you think is relevant to support it.
How is it different?
Be specific.
So we are talking past each other on the definition of "systemic". They mean something different that you do.
Let's get at that difference.
Do police view black people differently that whites?
Reading the 163-page report on the DOJ’s 14-month investigation is an exercise in picking up one’s lower jaw from the keyboard about every other paragraph. The executive summary begins with a statement that “reasonable cause” exists “to believe that BPD (the Baltimore Police Department) engages in a pattern or practice of conduct that violates the cons ution or federal law”. Page after page then provides dozens of details to show that the BPD makes “uncons utional stops, searches, and arrests”; uses “excessive force”; takes revenge on abuse victims when they speak up; and treats African Americans with especial callousness. The most damning elements of the report are drawn from a seemingly endless well of anecdotes about how particular Baltimore residents are mistreated by the police. The abuse began well before Freddie Gray, an unarmed black man, suffered a spinal-cord injury while under police custody, and later died, in April 2015.http://www.economist.com/blogs/democ...ng-while-blackaltimore police are in the habit of stopping people on the street, the report found, without the “reasonable su ion” that makes these stops meet 4th Amendment muster. “In a sample of over 7,200 pedestrian stops”, the report found, “only 271—or 3.7%—resulted in officers issuing a criminal citation or arrest.” That means that in “26 out of every 27 pedestrian stops”, Baltimore officers found no evidence the person had committed a crime. These daily events weigh more heavily on the city’s black residents, who make up 63% of the population but account for 84% of police stops and are uniquely targeted for repeat stops. The Baltimore police tend to use strip searches as punitive, degrading expressions of their power. One woman, pulled over for a missing headlight, was asked to remove all her clothes for no apparent reason while standing on the sidewalk before being prodded around her bra and in her anal cavity. No contraband was found, and the officer was given a “simple reprimand”. After a black male teenager filed a complaint with the police for being (in his view) unreasonably strip-searched in front of his girlfriend in January 2016, he was confronted by the same officer, who, when he found him near a McDonald’s, “pushed the teenager against a wall, pulled down his pants, and grabbed his genitals”, in apparent retaliation.
Here is the final report:
https://assets.do entcloud.org/doc...port-FINAL.pdf
Personally I think the use of "systemic" is also a bit of an exaggeration, but I can't blame them for being angry. It appears that they are justified in their outrage, although we might disagree as to what degree.
What if a better way to put it is:
"Black people are systemically viewed as more likely to be dangerous and criminals for no reason, and have lethal force used on them a rate far higher than is justified by the available information."
systemic racism isn't just about the legal system.
it exists in finance, schools, business, everywhere in the "system".
If you don't recognize this I can't help you.
I also think there's a difference between the words "systematic" and "systemic".
Seriously? You are smarter than that.
BLM in their mission statement claimed there is systematic genocide against blacks.
If there was systematic genocide against blacks BLM protests would definitely be a target rich environment.
Have you seen police mowing down blacks at protests?
not since the 1960s. Cops are smarter, more discreet now.
Good advice from 10 years ago.
Again, you missed the point. You are focusing on the meaning, and probably mean something other than what they do.
I am smart enough to see people talking past each other, as it happens all the time, especially in politics. I am trying to point out to you that difference in meaning, am not trying to trick you, or even change your mind, merely to point out that difference. In their own way I think they have a point. I think that if you can go along with a fair line of questioning, you might increase your understanding a bit.
My question remains:
Do police, in general, view black people differently that whites?
Which is?
They seem mostly interchangeable to me, but I would be happy to correct the wording.
I mean a sense of something built into a system, i.e. part of a system.
FWIW:
http://grammarist.com/usage/systematic-systemic/
Let me know which you prefer, and why it is important.
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