Official 2016 Spurs Offseason Thread

[tonight...you]

What'up es?!?

Ah! You dirty er! I just woke up!

[Chinook]

The only compe ion is really b/w the Laprovitolla & Forbes since Porker/Manu are AARP status & Murray is 19. Ayres is redundant w/ LJC & Lee/Dedmon are going to be eating up all the backup 4/5 positions. Seems like Garino is out of luck w/ Simmons/Bertans playing on guaranteed contracts.

I think it's between Laprovitolla and Arcidiacono if the Spurs are going PG. Forbes I think has a (much) better chance at sticking than Arcidiacono, but Ryan is a better all-around player and could probably help more if he had to come in and run the offense. His intangibles are off the chart, as we saw in the SL. And he himself is a very good spot-up shooter, so it's not like he couldn't do anything as a spot-up player.

[eDizzle20]

Should be an interesting preseason. So many new faces and only 1 open spot. I personally believe it will be Arcidiacono or Forbes that makes it. I'm probably most excited to see Richards though.

[cutewizard]

[sasaint]

Unless Simmons shows some improvement in judgment - especially on defense - I could see the Spurs moving on from him and keeping 2 of the camp signees - especially if Garino's defensive prowess translates to the NBA.

[TheDoctor]

#Hero

[mo7888]

Unless Simmons shows some improvement in judgment - especially on defense - I could see the Spurs moving on from him and keeping 2 of the camp signees - especially if Garino's defensive prowess translates to the NBA.

I think that is a real possibility too.

[LakerHater]

[Kawhitstorm]

I think it's between Laprovitolla and Arcidiacono if the Spurs are going PG. Forbes I think has a (much) better chance at sticking than Arcidiacono, but Ryan is a better all-around player and could probably help more if he had to come in and run the offense. His intangibles are off the chart, as we saw in the SL. And he himself is a very good spot-up shooter, so it's not like he couldn't do anything as a spot-up player.

Forbes is basically a full-formed player that just needs to be consistent to stick in the league as an undersized backup 2-guard ala Neal. Best case scenario is that he plays in Austin for a year then replaces Patty next season.

As far as point guards, I wouldn't be surprised if PATFO sign a washed-up vet like Kirk Hinrich mid-season especially if there is an injury. Either Archi/Lapro are probably going to be placeholders ala Ray McCallum.

[Solid D]

RC doin' work. I had read Brian Pauga, the GM of the Austin Spurs had left for Minnesota, so maybe Sund is going to help there as an Asst. GM and pro scout...but Sund was Golden State's Mgr. of Scouting. Interesting.

Phil Cullen sounds like an up and coming talent with a variety of b-ball operations skills. Repole an I.T. development and statistical analyst, and Fields a scout, I suppose, to help George Felton with college player personnel prospects.

[BillMc]

Solid 20th camp guy. It wasn't going to be another prospect, as they already had five guys battling for the last spot and only four Toros spots to give to the losers. Provided he is signed (and that's not guaranteed), the rotation would look like this:

Parker, Mills, Laprovitolla, Arcidiacono
Green, Ginobili, Murray, Forbes
Leonard, Anderson, Simmons, Garino
Aldridge, Lee, Bertans, LJC
Gasol, Dedmon, Ayres, Richards

With the guys in italics being my guess for the cuts and the bolded players going to Austin. Obvious thing is that the Spurs would be projecting Anderson as a wing for camp, though with the cuts, he'd very much be in the running for combo-forward for the regular season. Still, if Pop is planning on Lee being in the regular rotation, having a camp roster that enforces Kyle being a three is a good thing.

It's also very possible that Ayres is just one of the vets the Spurs bring in to compete for that last spot. Could see a couple of other scrap-heap bigs vying to be this year's Rasual Butler.

So you see Murray spending most his time with the team rather than in Austin?

[BillMc]

We rang with MVAyres TBH.

Truth.

[SAGirl]

So you see Murray spending most his time with the team rather than in Austin?

Don't know with him. Two things that make him an ideal candidate for the dleague are that he has a lot to learn and needs the ball to learn these things. Just won't get enough of playing time and the ball to himself as rookie with this team.

His athleticism impresses but he won't help win games if he doesn't learn fundamentals, how to play defense, how to play the Spurs way, on top of improving his shooting, shot selection and efficiency. Of course, we don't know how quickly he's picking things up. I am just going by what we saw two months ago. He's probably getting better with each drill and practice. We shall see.

[LakerHater]

[cutewizard]

[gambit1990]

Guaranteed Salary

• LaMarcus Aldridge —$20,575,005 [Contract has 15% Trade Kicker]
• Kawhi Leonard —$17,638,063 [Contract has 15% Trade Kicker]
• Pau Gasol —$15,500,000
• Tony Parker —$14,445,313
• Manu Ginobili —$14,000,000
• Danny Green —$10,000,000
• Patty Mills —$3,578,948
• Dewayne Dedmon —$2,898,000
• Tim Duncan —$1,881,250 [Waived via stretch provision]
• David Lee —$1,551,659 [Contract has 15% Trade Kicker]
• Kyle Anderson —$1,192,080
• Livio Jean-Charles —$1,188,840
• Dejounte Murray —$1,180,080
• Jonathon Simmons —$874,636
• Davis Bertans —$543,471
• Bryn Forbes —$125,000
• Patricio Garino —$100,000
• Ryan Arcidiacono —$75,000

Total Guaranteed Salary= $107,347,345

Non-Guaranteed Salary

• Ryan Arcidiacono —$468,471 [Salary fully guaranteed on 1/10/17]
• Patricio Garino —$443,471 [Salary fully guaranteed on 1/10/17]
• Bryn Forbes —$418,471 [Salary fully guaranteed on 1/10/17]

Total Non-Guaranteed Salary= $1,330,413

[ceperez]

Guaranteed Salary

• LaMarcus Aldridge —$20,575,005 [Contract has 15% Trade Kicker]
• Kawhi Leonard —$17,638,063 [Contract has 15% Trade Kicker]
• Pau Gasol —$15,500,000
• Tony Parker —$14,445,313
• Manu Ginobili —$14,000,000
• Danny Green —$10,000,000
• Patty Mills —$3,578,948
• Dewayne Dedmon —$2,898,000
• Tim Duncan —$1,881,250 [Waived via stretch provision]
• David Lee —$1,551,659 [Contract has 15% Trade Kicker]
• Kyle Anderson —$1,192,080
• Livio Jean-Charles —$1,188,840
• Dejounte Murray —$1,180,080
• Jonathon Simmons —$874,636
• Davis Bertans —$543,471
• Bryn Forbes —$125,000
• Patricio Garino —$100,000
• Ryan Arcidiacono —$75,000

Total Guaranteed Salary= $107,347,345

Non-Guaranteed Salary

• Ryan Arcidiacono —$468,471 [Salary fully guaranteed on 1/10/17]
• Patricio Garino —$443,471 [Salary fully guaranteed on 1/10/17]
• Bryn Forbes —$418,471 [Salary fully guaranteed on 1/10/17]

Total Non-Guaranteed Salary= $1,330,413

What happened to that other Argentinian guy the Spurs signed?

[spurs10]

What happened to that other Argentinian guy the Spurs signed?

Garino..he's there on a non-guaranteed salary. That Tim Duncan fellow probably won't be there.

[sasaint]

Garino..he's there on a non-guaranteed salary. That Tim Duncan fellow probably won't be there.

Not Garino but Laprovittola. You actually have Garino listed twice.

[gambit1990]

i wanna see parker try guarding murray in practice. and vice versa.

[GSH]

Guaranteed Salary

• LaMarcus Aldridge —$20,575,005 [Contract has 15% Trade Kicker]
• Kawhi Leonard —$17,638,063 [Contract has 15% Trade Kicker]
• Pau Gasol —$15,500,000
• Tony Parker —$14,445,313
• Manu Ginobili —$14,000,000
• Danny Green —$10,000,000
• Patty Mills —$3,578,948
• Dewayne Dedmon —$2,898,000
• Tim Duncan —$1,881,250 [Waived via stretch provision]
• David Lee —$1,551,659 [Contract has 15% Trade Kicker]
• Kyle Anderson —$1,192,080
• Livio Jean-Charles —$1,188,840
• Dejounte Murray —$1,180,080
• Jonathon Simmons —$874,636
• Davis Bertans —$543,471
• Bryn Forbes —$125,000
• Patricio Garino —$100,000
• Ryan Arcidiacono —$75,000

Total Guaranteed Salary= $107,347,345

Non-Guaranteed Salary

• Ryan Arcidiacono —$468,471 [Salary fully guaranteed on 1/10/17]
• Patricio Garino —$443,471 [Salary fully guaranteed on 1/10/17]
• Bryn Forbes —$418,471 [Salary fully guaranteed on 1/10/17]

Total Non-Guaranteed Salary= $1,330,413

I was just about to post about the salaries. At this point, the Spurs have the 5th highest guaranteed salary total in the league. (Behind Blazers, Cavs, Pistons, and Clippers.) But of the $107M or so they have guaranteed, $34M of it is tied up in three players - Tim, Tony, and Manu. The cap took a HUGE increase this year, and payrolls are much higher across the league. And the Spurs have one-third of theirs taken up by three guys with a combined age of 113.

I know, I know. They have been great for the Spurs, and brought Championships. The team owed Tim and Manu, and Tony is still a very capable PG. But that doesn't change the fact that this year's team is paying out one-third of their payroll to three guys who averaged 24 minutes per game last season, and 27 minutes per game the season before. (And if you only look at Tony and Manu - they averaged 24 minutes per game last season, and 26 the season before, in 69 and 65 games respectively.)

I love those three guys, and I'm proud of the Big 3 that dominated the league for so long. And it's admirable that the organization takes care of players. But there's a cost. If the Spurs make it out of the second round this year, it would be a minor miracle. A third of their payroll to pay for two old players who will likely average about 24-25 minutes per game for 70 games. That's tough to overcome.

[dabom]

I was just about to post about the salaries. At this point, the Spurs have the 5th highest guaranteed salary total in the league. (Behind Blazers, Cavs, Pistons, and Clippers.) But of the $107M or so they have guaranteed, $34M of it is tied up in three players - Tim, Tony, and Manu. The cap took a HUGE increase this year, and payrolls are much higher across the league. And the Spurs have one-third of theirs taken up by three guys with a combined age of 113.

I know, I know. They have been great for the Spurs, and brought Championships. The team owed Tim and Manu, and Tony is still a very capable PG. But that doesn't change the fact that this year's team is paying out one-third of their payroll to three guys who averaged 24 minutes per game last season, and 27 minutes per game the season before. (And if you only look at Tony and Manu - they averaged 24 minutes per game last season, and 26 the season before, in 69 and 65 games respectively.)

I love those three guys, and I'm proud of the Big 3 that dominated the league for so long. And it's admirable that the organization takes care of players. But there's a cost. If the Spurs make it out of the second round this year, it would be a minor miracle. A third of their payroll to pay for two old players who will likely average about 24-25 minutes per game for 70 games. That's tough to overcome.

But Manu;s contract doesn't really affect anything. Porkers contract though.

[BillMc]

Garino..he's there on a non-guaranteed salary. That Tim Duncan fellow probably won't be there.

Not Garino but Laprovittola. You actually have Garino listed twice.

So which one is guaranteed Garino or Laprovittola? Cheers for the clarification. And thanks to gambit1990 for posting the numbers.

[YGWHI]

I was just about to post about the salaries. At this point, the Spurs have the 5th highest guaranteed salary total in the league. (Behind Blazers, Cavs, Pistons, and Clippers.) But of the $107M or so they have guaranteed, $34M of it is tied up in three players - Tim, Tony, and Manu. The cap took a HUGE increase this year, and payrolls are much higher across the league. And the Spurs have one-third of theirs taken up by three guys with a combined age of 113.

I know, I know. They have been great for the Spurs, and brought Championships. The team owed Tim and Manu, and Tony is still a very capable PG. But that doesn't change the fact that this year's team is paying out one-third of their payroll to three guys who averaged 24 minutes per game last season, and 27 minutes per game the season before. (And if you only look at Tony and Manu - they averaged 24 minutes per game last season, and 26 the season before, in 69 and 65 games respectively.)

I love those three guys, and I'm proud of the Big 3 that dominated the league for so long. And it's admirable that the organization takes care of players. But there's a cost. If the Spurs make it out of the second round this year, it would be a minor miracle. A third of their payroll to pay for two old players who will likely average about 24-25 minutes per game for 70 games. That's tough to overcome.

Couldn't agree more.

Loyalty has his costs. And it's not only in salaries, Pop's decisions on the court about our old players costed a lot, too.

Playing Manu on Westbrook for serveral minutes instead of Green, insisting on running Parker's P&Rs in crucial minutes of the games, giving these old guys extended roles in the playoffs... Roles they earned 10 years ago but they can't have/play anymore.

This new season, the Spurs pay $14M for a 40 years old guard and the same money for an ineffective point guard -in comparison to his rivals in the West-...

I LOVE Manu and Parker but Spurs' loyalty has become a liabity, and isn't worth the cost.

[sasaint]

Couldn't agree more.

Loyalty has his costs. And it's not only in salaries, Pop's decisions on the court about our old players costed a lot, too.

Playing Manu on Westbrook for serveral minutes instead of Green, insisting on running Parker's P&Rs in crucial minutes of the games, giving these old guys extended roles in the playoffs... Roles they earned 10 years ago but they can't have/play anymore.

This new season, the Spurs pay $14M for a 40 years old guard and the same money for an ineffective point guard -in comparison to his rivals in the West-...

I LOVE Manu and Parker but Spurs' loyalty has become a liabity, and isn't worth the cost.

The value of loyalty is in what it shows the next generation: basically, Kawhi, at this point. That's just my opinion.