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2 years later now SAGirl agrees with my point of view but not back then. Maybe I should bump some of her comments for laughs.
Kawhi is the single most important reason we are where we are. No other ing player comes close. It's disrespectful when people bring up a ing 5th player off the bench as to say he helps us win games and we should be grateful. you . He should be grateful he gets to play for the Spurs. The Spurs have no problem turning up that 10spot.
2 years later now SAGirl agrees with my point of view but not back then. Maybe I should bump some of her comments for laughs.
Sure you don't.
You don't base the quality of a season entirely on shooting. Sometime around mid season, when Leonard got healthy, he was the best player on the team until the playoffs. Then, it was Duncan, who was the steadiest player throughout the season.Kawhi was a beast but that was one of his lowest shooting seasons if I recall correctly (or even his worst shooting season overall). He was injured for a good month + he started shooting very off bc of an eye injury.
Whether one had a good season or not shouldn't be judged on whether it was a career season, especially for older players.My statement was that compared to their own careers individually, only Danny and Cojo had career years for themselves (I think Baynes did too, but I forgot him).
You saw what you wanted to see.You can ridicule my take on Kyle but I know what I saw and the guy who swallowed minutes when TD, then Kawhi, then Manu went down was Kyle. He also showed up when guys were rested. But if you think any old 10th wing would have given what Kyle gave you are underrating him as many are and that is fine, but don't be ridiculing the impact that he had, which has earned him a rotation spot this season. Bc for sure Pop is not going to say it's "obvious" that he needs to play more, based on summer league play. I think he was very impactful defensively and last season's team was a defensive team first.
Simmons "swallowed" a good amount of minutes in the 1st half of the season; does that make him credible? He's a good example of what I was saying: Some random D-League player, yet they were doing just fine when he was in the rotation.
Anderson "earned" a rotation spot this season the same way he shared one with Simmons last season: Largely by default because they were limited in what they could do.
West had strong defensive metrics too, yet I didn't see you or your buddy slobbering over his defense.
The jugular.
I am not going down this road bc it's not my style to want to be right on everything, which guys here like to do. You have your take and I have mine. You ain't changing my point of view and are free in turn to think what you want. Sometimes these chats enlighten me which is why I like about them, but often they deviate into I am right you are wrong and it wears me out. Peace.
I had to edit bc D west it's possible I am underrating him and I mentioned that elsewhere. Until I see the other bigs this season (Dedmon and Lee) I might sing a different tune about him. He was impactful in the RS save a few matches and the new bench bigs are unknown to me if they will be better defensively.
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Td21 set the bait. He knew you weren't gonna say you were wrong but went full Trump.
Clearly some posters just lack common sense.
Horse . Danny went ape- crazy from the arc in the '13 playoffs, and the Heat figured out that they had to leave someone on him, and run him off the 3P line. He went 1-5 and 1-6 in the last two games, after shooting over .500 in the playoffs before that. It's one of the biggest reasons Tim doesn't need two hands to display his rings.
That part isn't Danny's fault - it's harder to shoot 3's with a guy draped on you. The way for him to take the next step as a player was to learn how to put the ball on the floor and make defenders pay for trying to run him off the line. Putting the ball on the floor didn't screw him up. He screwed up putting the ball on the floor. (And I'm giving you credit that you're not suggesting that putting the ball on the floor was responsible for getting an injury. It sounds like that's what you said, but you can't possibly think that.)
Danny is a great 3-and-D guy. We saw last year that his value goes down when his 3P shot isn't falling. We also saw that his defense is still good enough to keep him on the floor when he's in a slump. But he's a disaster when he puts the ball on the floor. His value as a player, and to the team, would be a lot greater if he could improve in that one area. But don't act like putting the ball on the floor screwed him up. It's not something Pop forced him to do. He only puts the ball on the floor when he has to - mostly when the defense won't give him an open 3P shot. I'm pretty sure that Pop would rather he be getting wide open 3's.
My comment was made in reference to his low shooting season last year. I think the change in offense and having to evaluate whether to shoot or slash or reenter the ball to the post player screwed his shooting. That's all speculative as to what affected his shot last season but I thought a good part of it was him trying to put the ball on the floor too much to start. He eventually stopped tryibg to do that so frequently. We can all speculate about that.
This isn't about being right, it's about calling you on your not so hidden agendas and false narratives.
Ok TD eventually I will wear you out then bc I don't care about this back and forth TBH and I will keep on being myself and posting what I think and let you be you. I enjoy reading many things you post and you have changed my point of view on some things but you won't on Kyle and you overreacted over a comment I made about Danny having a special season for his career. If you are this jumpy about everything eventually we'll butt heads I think, but butting heads ain't my thing so if you think you called out something here I guess that's fine with me.
I still enjoy reading what you post. I am just a fan and don't have agendas against anybody or players. I have my favorites like everyone and respect others takes. Again peace.
Ya but 3 post later you gonna post Murray as dijon for no specific reason other than he plays point guard.
Maybe that's not what you meant, but it's what you said. And I'm telling you that he didn't start putting the ball on the floor because he wanted to. It's a response to being defended aggressively on the 3P line. And he's not good at it. I wish he was, but he's not.
I'll say it again - putting the ball on the floor didn't screw Danny up - he screwed up putting the ball on the floor. And the reason he stopped doing it so much was that when his 3P shots quit falling, the other teams quit defending him so tight out at the arc. Things don't happen in a vacuum.
I've been a Danny Green fan since the first pre-season game he played here. But I'm not going to pretend like he doesn't have a hole in his game, just because I like him. You shouldn't either.
Alright. Maybe the way I wrote it didn't make sense in context. I think we agree. I thought he tried to put the ball on the floor too much to start the season, but one thing leads to another and eventually they were helping off him you are right. That article I posted about him made reference to the number of open shots he was getting and eventually he got open shots. Just hoping that % was an aberration.
This literally made me laugh out loud.
Wait wait. I agree that green had the exact same open shots as last year. Some might say we'll he gets the pass from,.. that . He got the same open shots. The coaches tried to expand his game. It ducked him up. Glad he got his shot back in the playoffs.
That also doesn't mean I think he has ever gotten close to any regular or playoff season as kawhi.
Glad we can change the way that was going TBH. Lol
So you think the coaching staff told Danny to pass up open 3P shots in favor of putting the ball on the floor? Seriously? They looked at one of the best 3P shooters in the league and decided that they wanted him to quit doing it so much, in favor of putting the ball on the floor? I know you like to argue with me, but you don't really believe that . Danny would never put the ball on the floor unless the defense forced him to. And Pop would rather have him knocking down 3's than driving the ball. It was a response to the way he was being defended, and he just wasn't good at it.
BTW - you say that Danny got the same open 3's as in years before. If he had wide open shots, then he missed them because he was in a slump and missing wide-open shots, not because he was driving with the ball. You can't have it both ways.
He just got a raise to 42 mil over 4 years. Yes the coaching staff did try to expand his game because Manu was aging and they wanted to see what was there.
Pop would benched his ass long time ago. Remember when Tony would just tell him to not ing dribble the BALL!!!
In front of everyone!! Everyone knew. And everyone knew when Pop tried to expand his game you stupid .
Don't come at an OG bro. You gonna look stupid.
Someone tell me if I'm wrong...
Who is the next cut?
Don't have a take. Missed about 60% of the game. To me the most disappointing performance was Dedmon and he's under contract. Anthony was terrible too but he was there with Dedmon as far as being terrible. The bigs made me miss Dwest and Boban.
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