You need to look again. 51.5 was FG and 54.something was EFG. I didn't even look at RS.no 51.5 is RS career dude.
He was not a scorer, he often passed up shots to stat his assists ala Rondo... I know he is in top 3-5 PG discussion, that's why I said in that sense he is overrated. Then I don't see your point about Magic, are you saying Stockton is better than Magic ?
Stockton was a career 38.4 3FG shooter. The Rondo comparison is bunk. He passed on a lot of shots b/c he wanted to encourage his teammates to get open for better shots. I would probably take Stockton over Magic, yes.
Hahaha what?!
Parker has not only improved his outside jumper, but he's shot over 40% from 3 the past 2 seasons! How many other people in the league can say that? Then he also willingly has taken a back seat to Kawhi even though it meant the Spurs going from le contenders for 3 years in a row to early round exits the past two seasons.
Shot ZERO ing percent from 3 in the clips series.
That's not true , right?Shot ZERO ing percent from 3 in the clips series.
I mean is he that bad?
I don't need to. He beat CP3 consistently. Keep giggling about your ty takes, CP3 will keep on being ringless.we know that.
and you're giving him the nod over chris paul
Tony took very few 3pt shots over the past 2 years. Tony hasn't taken a back seat to anyone as is made painfully evident by how he freezes people out when he's on the floor.
Oh you're that kind of idiot, the kind who doubles down on stupid as if you've found a 4th dimension of reality. Magic and Malone would have gotten a ring, maybe a wedding ring but still.
He doesnt
oh ok so Stockton passed a lot of shots b/c he wanted to encourage teammates but I guess a guy Rondo just wants to stat padd... makes sense.
For the rest you are probably the only dude in the world that would take him over Magic
I'm good with greatest European Point Guard ever.
I'd say he's not Top 10 ever. Not say that he wasn't capable, but he understood like all Spurs player who play for Pop. Your INDIVIDUAL GLORY isn't as important as your TEAM GLORY.
He has more rings than everybody on that Point Guard list except Magic and he's TIED with him.
Did this turn into a "Parker vs Kawhi" or "Parker vs Manu" flame fest?
If it didn't OP is probably thinking the thread failed.
Stockton and Malone I assume you mean. Jazz were better than those Bulls teams. Just harder when you're playing 8 on 5. That said, Malone choked.
so you, sasdynasty, and thegreatyacht would take parker over cp3. got it. you're in good company
Magic was bigger. There's a school of thought that when in doubt take the bigger player. But I just think nobody could orchestrate an offense like Stockton. And frankly, they were calling him The Glove on defense before Jordan or Payton.
oh ok so Stockton passed a lot of shots b/c he wanted to encourage teammates but I guess a guy Rondo just wants to stat padd... makes sense.
For the rest you are probably the only dude in the world that would take him over Magic
so you, sasdynasty, and thegreatyacht would take parker over cp3. got it. you're in good company
This thread got me thinking about who the truly greatest pg of all time are. Taking a look at the top WS/48 all time, Tony ranks #21 among pg.
3 Chris Paul 0.2494
8 Magic Johnson* 0.2249
11 Jerry West* 0.2134
12 Bob Pet * 0.2128
14 John Stockton* 0.2087
16 Oscar Robertson* 0.2069
23 Stephen Curry 0.1991
30 Sidney Moncrief 0.1873
33 Sam Jones* 0.1824
43 Kevin Johnson 0.1777
45. Walt Frazier* .1760
47 Chauncey Billups 0.1756
65 Steve Nash 0.1636
69 Jimmy Jones 0.1613
70 Russell Westbrook 0.161
76 Mark Price 0.1582
84 Paul Westphal 0.1551
101 Terry Porter 0.1499
109 Gary Payton* 0.1483
120 Terrell Brandon 0.1469
121 Tony Parker 0.1469
For some other notable pg out there:
177. Jason Kidd 0.1327
---- Isiah Thomas 0.109
---- Lenny Wilkins 0.120
---- Dennis Johnson 0.110
---- Bob Cousy 0.139
---- Tiny Archibald 0.128
I would definitely have trouble putting Tony in the top 10 all time but I'd say hes a lock top 20. I think he probably falls in the top 15.
No, you said you'd take Stockton over Magic, but Magic on that Jazz team and MJ probably is light at least one. Put Stockton on the showtime Lakers over Magic and you have the no-time Lakers.
I don't have a team. They don't get career mulligans. They don't get resets. They both had opportunities to win in the NBA and one did and one didn't. "Best" is as much about choice as it is about ability.so you, sasdynasty, and thegreatyacht would take parker over cp3. got it. you're in good company
Finals MVP is a foolish award because it doesn't take into account the other 3 rounds. It should be playoff MVP and if it were, Duncan would have won hands down.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2007.html
Parker was very good, but he was clearly the third best player on that team, in what was the collective peak of the big three.
In '14, he made All-Star largely because as the best team in the league, they had to have a representative and his reputation was at an all time high thanks to career best seasons the previous 2, as well as the notion that it was "his team".
He led in points and assists (antiquated criteria) mostly because he led in mpg and usage rate. Though he further declined in the playoffs, on balance, he was probably the 4th best player on that team.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2014.html
Oh, please. A "foolish award" when placed upon Parker, but lauded about endlessly for Duncan, Johnson, Abdul-Jabbar and Jordan. You are very, very selective and bias with your praise sometimes.
You can believe he was the third best player, but he still won Finals MVP and was selected to the all-star team that season.
Duncan was likely the "best" or most important player on all the Spurs championship teams, but Parker was vital in sweeping that series by absolutely annihilating his (lesser) match up.
Parker was still the main key cog offensively on the '14 championship team, but I agree he was beginning to decline and made the all-star team based on reputation. There definitely wasn't 3 players better than him and you are delusional if you believe so.
Top 25 maybe, not top 10 though by any means. I would have to go over a list of players and see all the names.
you don't deserve to be bolded for thinking tp is better than chris paul.
twitter poll posing
Bob Pet , PG? Must be a different Bob Pet ... Also, Sidney Moncrief played most of his career (by far) as a SG. So, as far as Tony is concerned, if you remove Pet and Moncrief, he would move up two slots.
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