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Holiday is tallest starting point guard in the league & is very good at getting deflections. Livingston on the other hand is one of the worst 3 point shooters in the league.
with lma and gasol starting... i want the rest of the line up as defensive as possible. livingston is 6'7". and he would be more pass first oriented than holiday.......then I've got snake oil to sell you.
i think this is manu's last year. would take holiday off the bench. if he can play as good as he looked in that video then i'd take him over parker.
Holiday is tallest starting point guard in the league & is very good at getting deflections. Livingston on the other hand is one of the worst 3 point shooters in the league.
Dellavadova just got 40 mil over 4 yrs. Pattys market value should net him 10-12 mil per. Hill, on the other hand, will get over 15-18 mil per. IMO
Jrue will be the only LEGIT boarderline all-star PG under 30 ala Mike Conley next summer & the Pelicans have said they want to keep him so he's most likely going to get somewhere in the 20mill/per range. Conley basically missed half the season & got 153 mill.
Patty is going to get 8 mill/per offers if he plays well this season so might as well pay Hill 12mill considering he can actually play alongside Porker if Danny is laying bricks.
It's basically something like Patty for 4yr/32mill or Hill for 3yr/36mill.
Give me Jrue at anywhere from 18-22 mil per .. tbh
Gasol opting out, Parker getting traded, Manu retiring will free up around 45 million to build a nice nucleus around Kawhi, LA, & Green.
Spurs will have Murray to play back up PG for 10% of Mills' money. They can kick tires with one of the young three guards they brought in this training camp this year to fill in the third PG spot for very cheap too.
They'll likely bring over Hanga to compete for the back up two spot for around the same money Bertans or Simmons received.
Mason Plumlee, Ibaka, Ezeli and Nerlens Noel should all be available -- even though Plumlee and Noel are restricted, they are likely gone as Blazers paid Meyers Leonard and used up a lot of money on Crabbe, Harkless, CJ. Sixers have no plans to re-sign Noel. Ibaka and Ezeli will be unrestricted.
I'd also love Patrick Patterson for the right $ -- he's unrestricted as well.
This is all hypothetical obviously. It's a long shot Gasol opts out, Parker is traded and Manu retires.. that would be the perfect storm in my eyes.
Last edited by MaNu4Tres; 10-13-2016 at 12:44 AM.
So was Kawhi...Have you seen Jrue Holiday play? Dude was an All-Star at 22 & only injuries have set him back but he's still 26.
Livingston on the other hand was locked up by Dion Waiters & taken out of the WCF series.
Delly is 25 & got paid b/c Curry made him a household name in the '15 Finals. Hill on the other hand will be 31 & was much maligned when he was in Indiana.
Gasol is most likely opting-in & Porker isn't going anywhere. If anyone gets traded then it's Danny since he's the one with the best trade value.Gasol opting out, Parker getting traded, Manu retiring will free up around 45 million to build a nice nucleus around Kawhi, LA, & Green.
Kawhi was shutdown to the tune of 23 points on 48% shooting just like Livingston dropping 3 points on a blazing hot 36% clip.
I have always appreciated Livingston - followed him since his rookie season with the Clips - but that's ridiculous. Holiday is an all-star when healthy, a truly devastating all around PG, and he seems to be over the leg thing. take a look at what he did in the second half of last season.
Hill is a nice combo guard but plays a very different game to Livingston. Not sure why you're comparing them.
As for CP3, he's probably got a few years of prime left, and he would put this team over the top, so you'd have to take a shot at it if he wants to come here. Hopefully a 3 year contract.
Apparently you don't know what hypothetical means.
And apparently you will stretch anything as far as it needs to in order to justify any of your posts.
I don't know why spurs fans are keen on trading "trade value". We never trade valuable players. We do like to move bad players though.
I just can't see us having room to pay him hey
I thought personally Westbrook was worth it for the Spurs, but I think Chris Paul is a very good player and PG, but he will be 32 in 2017, Parker will be 35. The kind of salary Paul will command is it really worth it for just a 3 year age difference between 2 similar PG's? Parker knows the system, Paul would have to learn it. If the Spurs could ink CP3, Parker would have to be traded. I would be more excited if the Spurs could sign CP3 and have Parker come off the bench, but it wouldn't be that way not realistic. Paul would only come here if he would be the main PG for the Spurs.
Just wondering if the Spurs really need this guy, he's almost as old as Parker. He's a better PG than Parker for sure, but Parker is a great PG as well. The thing is though he is the perfect player for the Spurs style of play.
Good riddance to bad garbage. Choke Paul is a loser and a cancer.
that little got. Not only would I never want this pussy to be a Spur, he's no spring chicken.
No you keep this mother er
Only idiots would not want him as a Spurs outside salary and stuff consideration. Dude is elite, with Kawhi and LMA he would just dominate. Also with Spurs you don't need to cope with his annoying habit to defer when possession is key, you have Kawhi for that.
If Spurs cap enable it, he is definitely worth it.
He is good friend with Tony, Tony will have no issue to give up his starting position... would be great tbh
CP3 is a whining /acting / flopper. I don't like that.
But I think it could be good for the Spurs if he doesn't command a max and Spurs don't have to lose key players. That way the gamble on his age would not be that big IMO, and his game should age better than Parker's (why the heck does spell check correct to Porker's?).
Parker would ideally come from the bench.
I wish people stopped considering a Parker trade in their scenarios. Parker will be a Spur his whole career.
The series shifted when Durant was allowed to rest on Green while either Roberson or Waiters worked on Kawhi.Kawhi was shutdown to the tune of 23 points on 48% shooting just like Livingston dropping 3 points on a blazing hot 36% clip.
Liking better our chances to land him..Woj doesn't tease for the sake it..He basically called the Durant-to Warriosr back in December when he got a wind of their players/coach tampering with Durbeta..He was the first to call Timmy seriously pondering retirement..
Kawhi + LMA >> dj + Blake..with the Cavs option out f the window, CP3 choice is clear as far as winning a championship as 2nd or 3rd banana, which he will have to concede to eventually like Jason Kidd did with the Mavs....but as TD21 said, we need to beat them should we meet in playoffs..
Roberson guarded Kawhi from Game One. And Green kicked Durant's ass in Game Five.
not saying i wouldn't want him holiday on the team... but livingston would cost less. i'll take livingston + a defensive big over just holiday.Holiday is tallest starting point guard in the league & is very good at getting deflections. Livingston on the other hand is one of the worst 3 point shooters in the league.
Only way CP3 makes sense for the Spurs is if somehow, someway they can keep Parker. Paul will start, Parker off the bench. Not sure how it's possible, but it makes this team better as long as Leonard, Aldridge, Gasol are still on board. Spurs would have the nastiest PG subs ution in NBA history, it would be sick, it would drive teams nuts.
Hey would you rather have;
Doc Rivers, Griffin, DeAndre, JJ, and Pierce
Or
Pop, Kawhi, LMA, Danny, Pau, and Tony
Looks like an easy decision to me.
CP3, Danny, Kawhi, LMA and Pau will be as good as any line up.
I never gave my opinion.
For all the obvious reasons, Paul and Parker aren't comparable and I could careless whether he'd be overpaid on the back half of the contract.
Similar to Durant to the Warriors, they'd kill two birds with one stone: Turn themselves back into a legit contender and eliminate a fellow one. The Warriors would still be the favorites, but Spurs would have a 1 in 3 chance and I don't see any other path to that.
I've long been on the Holiday bandwagon, but he hasn't been able to stay healthy for 3 years and you'd be okay with his backups being unproven NBA players? There's a good chance Murray will be in time, but I doubt he's 1 year away from being a rotation player for a contender and the others probably aren't good enough (Forbes isn't even a point guard).
Plumlee might be gone, if they can get an upgrade, but they won't let him walk because of the money they've already spent and with so few teams needing a center, it's unlikely he receives an astronomical offer.
Noel will probably be traded; but if not, they'd match any offer.
Considering what the Magic gave up and their attempt to trying to fast track their re-build, they'll probably pay damn near anything to re-sign Ibaka.
The Raptors love Patterson and vice versa. Given their lack of a starting power forward, as long as they match whatever he's offered, he'd probably stay.
I doubt Paul would defer much. He is one of the most controlling, ball dominant players in the league, which is fine given this team's lack of a go to play maker.
Him and Parker are friends, but they can't play together and the Spurs wouldn't demote Parker to a 15 mpg backup or want to pay what he makes for him to fill that role, so he'd obviously have to be salary dumped.
Pierce will be retired and Parker would be salary dumped in this scenario.
Spurs couldn't offer significantly better chance of winning and they don't play in L.A. If he signed, it would likely be because he believes that much more in their organization.
No, Paul isn't Parker but it doesn't really matter. The Spurs lack depth. You could make a strong case that the Clippers starting five has been outperformed the Spurs starting five on many levels since 2014 (injuries largely derailed their 2015 campaign) and yet, they have nothing to show for it. So if you're going to pin lack of success on Parker, you'd best think again. ChokeP3, with all that flash and pizzazz has never gotten his team out of the second round of the playoffs. Paul isn't going to change the fact that LMA isn't feared by anyone, Pau is way past his prime and while still effective, isn't the player he used to be (though he'd be a likely casualty of a CP3 signing- KA starting?
My best guess is the Clippers will shop Griffin at the trade deadline in an attempt to obtain Paul. And much to everyone's chagrin, Parker isn't going to be traded. Parker would likely come off the bench but there's also Murray waiting in the wings as well.
But there's no quick fix to replenishing the depth and I'd rather have an all-time great, who's still elite, than depth. '14 was an exception to the rule.No, Paul isn't Parker but it doesn't really matter. The Spurs lack depth. You could make a strong case that the Clippers starting five has been outperformed the Spurs starting five on many levels since 2014 (injuries largely derailed their 2015 campaign) and yet, they have nothing to show for it. So if you're going to pin lack of success on Parker, you'd best think again. ChokeP3, with all that flash and pizzazz has never gotten his team out of the second round of the playoffs. Paul isn't going to change the fact that LMA isn't feared by anyone, Pau is way past his prime and while still effective, isn't the player he used to be (though he'd be a likely casualty of a CP3 signing- KA starting?
My best guess is the Clippers will shop Griffin at the trade deadline in an attempt to obtain Paul. And much to everyone's chagrin, Parker isn't going to be traded. Parker would likely come off the bench but there's also Murray waiting in the wings as well.
I could literally name anyone outside of James and maybe Curry and idiots would scoff at them, as if the Spurs can pick and choose whoever they want or there's some other path that gives them better odds of winning another championship.
I'm not "pinning it all on Parker". This is about Paul; not some anti Parker .
Only in '15 (even then, it took the Spurs being on fumes/banged up and Thunder being decimated by injury) was Paul on a team that should have been in the WCF.
At Paul supposedly not improving their odds, "no one fears" Aldridge (who's routinely cited by players as the most difficult power forward to guard) and "Green still can't hit threes" (basing it on a small sample size).
They're not going to shop Griffin. By far the most likely outcome, is both, along with Re re-signing.
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