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    Also, sorry about your aunt, rmt
    Thank you, Spurminator.

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    Hillary can take her admiration for Canadian single payer and pardon my expression - shove it.

    My Canadian aunt was admitted to a hospital on a Thursday - her knee drained on Friday. They did not pinpoint the source of her ailment until the following Monday. And do you know what she had? A strep infection - that simple antibiotics could have cured but it took them so long that it spread in her blood to the major organs - my beloved aunt should be alive today. Also, they had her stop doing colonoscopies and mammograms at age 75 (even though she was a breast cancer survivor). So - no thanks to single payer.
    Sorry about your Aunt.

    Misdiagnoses has been a fairly common thing here also. Pre and Post Obamacare. And there is still a lot of discussion how to deal with bad prostates in older men. There are a lot of difficult calls with older folks. The treatment, or even procedure, can often set them back more than leaving the people alone.

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    Thank you, pgardn.

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    Thank you, pgardn.
    Welcome.

    Im tight with the family stuff.
    Family is precious.

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    Hillary can take her admiration for Canadian single payer and pardon my expression - shove it.

    My Canadian aunt was admitted to a hospital on a Thursday - her knee drained on Friday. They did not pinpoint the source of her ailment until the following Monday. And do you know what she had? A strep infection - that simple antibiotics could have cured but it took them so long that it spread in her blood to the major organs - my beloved aunt should be alive today. Also, they had her stop doing colonoscopies and mammograms at age 75 (even though she was a breast cancer survivor). So - no thanks to single payer.
    Sorry about your aunt.

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    Hillary can take her admiration for Canadian single payer and pardon my expression - shove it.

    My Canadian aunt was admitted to a hospital on a Thursday - her knee drained on Friday. They did not pinpoint the source of her ailment until the following Monday. And do you know what she had? A strep infection - that simple antibiotics could have cured but it took them so long that it spread in her blood to the major organs - my beloved aunt should be alive today. Also, they had her stop doing colonoscopies and mammograms at age 75 (even though she was a breast cancer survivor). So - no thanks to single payer.
    Sorry about your Aunt but 3-4 days to diagnose an invasive group A strep infection does not sound like an uncommon length of time even in the US. I don't support single payer but diseases don't really care about what healthcare model the country is using. It takes 2 days get the results of a strep culture and that's when the doctor is immediately suspecting a strep (throat) infection.


    What is invasive group A streptococcal disease?

    Invasive GAS disease is a severe and sometimes life-threatening infection in which the bacteria have invaded parts of the body, such as the blood, deep muscle and fat tissue or the lungs. Two of the most severe, but least common, forms of invasive GAS disease are called necrotizing fasciitis (infection of muscle and fat tissue) and streptococcal toxic shock syndrome (a rapidly progressing infection causing low blood pressure/shock and injury to organs such as the kidneys, liver and lungs). Approximately 20 percent of patients with necrotizing fasciitis and 60 percent with STSS die. About 10-15 percent of patients with other forms of invasive group A streptococcal disease die.

    What are the early signs and symptoms of necrotizing fasciitis and streptococcal toxic shock syndrome?

    Early signs and symptoms of necrotizing fasciitis include fever, severe pain and swelling, and redness at the wound site. Early signs and symptoms of STSS may include fever, dizziness, confusion, low blood pressure, rash and abdominal pain.

    How common is invasive group A streptococcal disease?

    Approximately 9,000-11,500 cases of invasive GAS disease occur in the United States each year resulting in 1,000-1,800 deaths. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that less than 10% of these are cases of necrotizing fasciitis and STSS. In contrast, there are several million cases of strep throat and impetigo annually


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    Thanks, ElNono and SnakeBoy.

    There's an outbreak of strep there so they should have suspected it. Two of my cousins' families had it when I went for the funeral. It's hitting senior homes (she didn't live in one) and her husband had been in the same hospital (for dehydration/vomiting/diarrhea) a week before - that's probably where she picked it up. She was admitted on a Thursday - even with 2 days - that's Saturday - 2 less days. Regarding single-payer, I'm more concerned about the (seeming) lack of testing at 75 - my mom is older than she is and still gets testing - average lifespan is 87 for women now - not 75. I'll get over it - time heals all wounds - it's just a bit raw now.

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    they are all puppets except trump he is an outsider
    this is the weirdest endorsement for trump. he's one of the s who's been trying to buy congressmen/politicians... so your solution to stop special interests is the cut the middle man and stick one of them in office?

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    Thanks, ElNono and SnakeBoy.

    There's an outbreak of strep there so they should have suspected it. Two of my cousins' families had it when I went for the funeral. It's hitting senior homes (she didn't live in one) and her husband had been in the same hospital (for dehydration/vomiting/diarrhea) a week before - that's probably where she picked it up. She was admitted on a Thursday - even with 2 days - that's Saturday - 2 less days. Regarding single-payer, I'm more concerned about the (seeming) lack of testing at 75 - my mom is older than she is and still gets testing - average lifespan is 87 for women now - not 75. I'll get over it - time heals all wounds - it's just a bit raw now.
    Strep infections are not as nearly as common as staph infections. No one really treats targets strep when doing broad spectrum antibiotics though if she was diabetic, she may have benefited from Zosyn which can treat Strep infections. It usually takes a culture 2-3 days to discover what bacteria causes the infection.

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    Thanks, ElNono and SnakeBoy.

    There's an outbreak of strep there so they should have suspected it. Two of my cousins' families had it when I went for the funeral. It's hitting senior homes (she didn't live in one) and her husband had been in the same hospital (for dehydration/vomiting/diarrhea) a week before - that's probably where she picked it up. She was admitted on a Thursday - even with 2 days - that's Saturday - 2 less days. Regarding single-payer, I'm more concerned about the (seeming) lack of testing at 75 - my mom is older than she is and still gets testing - average lifespan is 87 for women now - not 75. I'll get over it - time heals all wounds - it's just a bit raw now.
    Under what system is your mom still getting testing at 75+ years of age? Anyone over the age of 65 is already on s single payer system in the US.

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    "Anyone over the age of 65 is already on s single payer system in the US."

    and while USA lags other industrial countries in overall longevity, if Americans can make it to 65, go on Medicare, then their longevity is goes UP to where the other countries are.

    Of course, the average American over 65 is on 5 to 10 subscription meds PER DAY, so BigPharma uses them at ATMs, esp in nursing homes.

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    To answer both your posts, maybe it's because we can pay extra and get Medicare Advantage/Gap and that's why (boutons) the longevity goes up if they make it to 65?

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    Here is a glimpse into Hillary's single payer system:

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/where-cl...are-1476746073

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    To answer both your posts, maybe it's because we can pay extra and get Medicare Advantage/Gap and that's why (boutons) the longevity goes up if they make it to 65?
    Any single payer system could be augmented with additional coverage. If there is a demand, the private market will fill the gap.

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    Th'Pusher - to clarify - with Medicare Advantage/Gap (certain ones), Medicare is not like single payer in Canada or even Obamacare (with its limited networks) - iirc, you can pretty much go to any doctor in any part of the country - like how my PPO used to be before Obamacare.

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    Any single payer system could be augmented with additional coverage. If there is a demand, the private market will fill the gap.
    I think the article I posted explains the cost controls in HillaryCare and why it failed to pass - that loss of freedom. Medicare is supposed to be funded by 40+? years of employer/employee deductions (actually it's funded by current employees'/employers' deductions) and even then, it will soon be in trouble. So single payer for the entire rest of the population will cost some serious amount of money - who then but the very, very rich be able to afford that additional coverage? The only reason my mother, father and mother-in-law can afford Medicare Advantage/Gap is because 80% of their medical cost is being covered by Medicare funds - that would not be the case for single payer for the rest of us.

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    Here's the pertaining section:

    The decisions of HillaryCare’s National Control Board, which would have determined every allowable benefit and treatment, would have been final—not reviewable by any agency or judge. What finally broke the back of HillaryCare was the provision imposing civil penalties for providing treatments not allowed by the regional cooperative and criminal penalties for accepting a separate payment for providing such care within a cooperative.

    Families were forced to pay into the regional cooperatives and medical providers had to provide all medical care through the cooperatives or operate completely outside them. Since few families could afford to pay the cooperative for health care and then pay for additional care, and few providers could afford to operate totally outside the system, any real health-care choice would have been extremely limited, very expensive and available only to the highest-income families. When challenged to defend the loss of freedom HillaryCare entailed, congressional support collapsed and no effort to resurrect it was made until ObamaCare.

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    Washington (CNN)A closed-door speech to Morgan Stanley in 2013, revealed in hacked emails posted by WikiLeaks, could stoke new questions for Hillary Clinton Wednesday night about whether she truly believes in the fiscal sustainability of the promises she is making on the campaign trail. In the speech, Clinton referred to the 2010 Simpson-Bowles deficit reduction plan as "the right framework," a stance that is seemingly at odds with her 2016 platform. Throughout the year, Clinton has been decidedly to the left of Simpson-Bowles, which called for a series of changes including changing the Medicare eligibility age from 65 to 67, raising the Social Security retirement age from 67 to 69 and cutting the growth of future benefits. While the general election has been seemingly void of policy issues, the future of Social Security and Medicare may come up at Wednesday's final presidential debate, where "debt and en lements" are one of six pre-selected topics.
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    Lessig defends Tanden, who wanted to 'kick the s--- out of him on Twitter'

    If Lawrence Lessig is angry that Neera Tanden expressed a desire to "kick the out of him on Twitter," he's not saying so publicly.

    Instead, Lessig publicly expressed support for Tanden, who's head of the Center for American Progress and has seen many of her private emails made public via WikiLeaks.

    "We all deserve privacy. The burdens of public service are insane enough without the perpetual threat that every thought shared with a friend becomes Twitter fodder. Neera has only ever served in the public (and public interest) sector. Her work has always and only been devoted to advancing her vision of the public good. It is not right that she should bear the burden of this sort of breach," Lessig wrote Tuesday on his blog.

    Lessig's post does defend some leaks, however: "I’m a big believer in leaks for the public interest. That’s why I support Snowden, and why I believe the President should pardon him. But I can’t for the life of me see the public good in a leak like this — at least one that reveals no crime or violation of any important public policy."

    Lessig's response comes after WikiLeaks published a hacked email exchange between Tanden and John Podesta, Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman. The August 2015 exchange took place while Lessig was mulling a challenge to Clinton in the Democratic primary. (Lessig entered the race in September before dropping out shortly after, as his race was aimed not at winning but in order to push campaign finance reform.)

    The published exchange has three parts, opening with Tanden emailing Podesta: "The smugness of Larry Lessig.

    Podesta replies: “An everyday American pompous law professor.”

    Tanden comes back with: "I ing hate that guy. Like I'd like to kick the out of him on twitter...but I know that is dumb."

    Lessig is a Harvard University Law School professor and author of a prominent activist calling for policies that reduce the influence of money is politics.


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    Clinton aide worried about 'demagoguing' on revolving door

    Hillary Clinton's campaign advisers disagreed about how tough the former Secretary of State should be when it came to the "revolving door" that circulates people between jobs in Washington and Wall Street, according to email conversations released by WikiLeaks.

    The dispute arose in a string of August 2015 messages - unverified by the campaign - where aides provided input on an op-ed that Clinton planned to publish with Sen. Tammy Baldwin (D-Wis.).

    The piece, which later ran on the Huffington Post, was written in support of a bill Baldwin had introduced in the Senate to slow the revolving door and restrict companies from giving bonuses to departing employees headed into government.

    Top Clinton policy aide Jake Sullivan said he was worried that the thrust of the op-ed was "if you work in the private sector and come into government, you are an inherently su ious character."

    Campaign manager Robby Mook pushed back, suggesting that a tougher tone would help in the Democratic primaries.

    "I don't think the average voter will be sensitive to alienating people who go in and out of government. My concern from a primary perspective is appearing to protect the status quo, which I think people will believe (with a bit of prompting from Warren and others) is corrupted," Mook said, likely referring to Sen. Elizabeth Warren. The Massachusetts Democrat had been promoting the legislation as "as a bill any presidential candidate should be able to cheer for."

    Sullivan conceded, "I know that I sound like I am protecting the plutocrats."

    "But there is a line here," he added. "If we go across it we're just demagoguing."

    Campaign chief financial officer Gary Gensler, a former Wall Street regulator and Goldman Sachs partner, offered his inside perspective.

    Gensler suggested deleting language about making sure that Washington policymakers were "not trying to enrich themselves" and replacing it with making sure officials were "not worrying about former or future bosses" at the public's expense.

    The change, he said, "more accurately captures what can happen and lowers tone."


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    Eric Schmidt, the chief executive of Alphabet, Google’s parent company, is working directly with Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign, according to a memo contained within an email released by WikiLeaks.

    “Discreet conservations” of forming “working relationships” with companies such as Facebook and Apple were also facilitated as early as October 2014, the memo stated. This is at least six months prior to when Clinton announced her candidacy for president.

    The do ent was attached to an Oct. 26, 2014 email sent from Robby Mook, now Clinton’s campaign manager, to Cheryl Mills, a longtime Clinton aide; David Plouffe, Barack Obama’s previous campaign manager; and John Podesta, Clinton’s current campaign chairman whose email account was compromised.
    http://freebeacon.com/politics/memo-...nton-campaign/

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    Jut give up
    CLinton is gonna win this thing

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    Ecuador shut down Assange's Internet to prevent him influencing the election.

    Trash, ducks, etc, Trash supporters are so ED!

    btw, Podesta's stuff is so ing boring, typical, as are Hillary's emails. The Repug smoke machne!

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    how high will Clinton be and how think the makeup tonight

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