Kyle Anderson isn't good enough...

[TheGreatYacht]

Not reading thru 6 pages of a thread any smart basketball fan agrees with...

...but I did just see SAGirl blame Pop for not giving Kyle a "green light"? At some point this scrub needs to stop getting passes. No way do I picture Pop telling Kyle to pass up open shots

What SAGirl sees Pop doing when iceberg head doesn't shoot:

[GSH]

For example, they have serious spacing issues that is evident, playing the two bigs requires a craftiness lacking from Dedmon's game to begin with, but they are not going to bench Lee to play Kyle at the 4, when Lee is a big contributor to them in the paint and on the boards, plus is active as a garbage man, who gets some shots up that way.

Do you remember all the heads exploding last season, over the West/Diaw combo? Just wait until they see the Lee/Anderson combo this year. And we are going to see it. Because, like it or not (and I don't like it), Lee is probably the best candidate for backup C on the roster right now. And Kyle may be the best candidate for backup PF. I don't care how you try to chart out their skill sets, and how they mesh, that's what the Spurs have right now. Unless Dedmon starts playing a LOT better, he sure as isn't first big off the bench material. And LJC looks like a commercial for the dangers of anorexia.

They have depth at the 4 spot (seriously?), but almost nothing on the wing after Kiwi/Danny/Manu). Then it's more alarming when one realizes Manu can't play that many minutes and will be absent in games.

Yeah, when you start doing the math you begin to figure out why I was so I favor of tanking one year for a draft pick, and clearing some cap space for the next year. The Spurs managed to land Gasol, which makes their starting unit whole, but didn't leave much for fill-in. Even if Manu is Iron Man this season, this bench is still looking pretty damned suspect.

[benefactor]

I think you derive satisfaction in being right, and I do just enjoy watching players play and young players develop TBH.

It's been his shtick since the beginning. When he first started posting here he would melt down when people didn't respect his takes and say it was because his post count wasn't high enough. He made it a point to repeatedly go after LJ in some sort of mission to get paid attention to. His takes have improved since then but he still acts like a got most of the time.

[ceperez]

Folks! Patience, the switch will turn on for Kyle.

True though, with West, Diaw and Boban all gone from the bench, a lot of offensive punch is now missing!

[TheDoctor]

...What SAGirl sees Pop doing when iceberg head doesn't shoot:

[ernest787]

Kyle defenders blaming Pop is hilarious.

It's been said for 3 years now. Kyle is average in a lot of areas but doesn't have elite NBA talent in any single area. He is facing an upheld climb to be a difference making NBA player.

Kyle doesn't shoot the ball because he isn't confident in his shot. He is confident in his shot because he isn't a great shooter. Can he knock down some 3s? Sure. Is he a knock down shooter... No.

Does Kyle have some room for improvement? Of course he does. He's young, but he is not progressing fast enough and may (likely) will never get there. Anyone who wants Kyle to shoulder the load for the bench is asking for disaster. Hopefully he plays like a solid 8th to 9th man while Manu and Patty have great seasons.

[SAGirl]

Do you remember all the heads exploding last season, over the West/Diaw combo? Just wait until they see the Lee/Anderson combo this year. And we are going to see it. Because, like it or not (and I don't like it), Lee is probably the best candidate for backup C on the roster right now. And Kyle may be the best candidate for backup PF. I don't care how you try to chart out their skill sets, and how they mesh, that's what the Spurs have right now. Unless Dedmon starts playing a LOT better, he sure as isn't first big off the bench material. And LJC looks like a commercial for the dangers of anorexia.
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Yeah, when you start doing the math you begin to figure out why I was so I favor of tanking one year for a draft pick, and clearing some cap space for the next year. The Spurs managed to land Gasol, which makes their starting unit whole, but didn't leave much for fill-in. Even if Manu is Iron Man this season, this bench is still looking pretty damned suspect.

It's very possible you are right quite frankly, but the "tank" is not in Pop's mind. Kawhi is looking tremendous, the team's starting lineup is very, very good. So long as Kawhi is healthy, the team will still win a lot of games. And really Kawhi has stepped up to the challenge, he's come in with a yet again expanded game, making plays for teammates, mastering the PnR, taking command of the situation, and leading by example. Him and LMA have acknowledged publicly that it's on the two of them right now and that the team goes as far as the two of them go. If I am Pop, no way I am going to let them down. The season is young still. Now if Kawhi was injured and out for any number of weeks, the team is in trouble and I guess all bets are off. That changes the outlook tremendously. But enough of that chat, I don't want to jinx him.

For the current real situation, the one combination we haven't seen is precisely Lee/Anderson. Pop is concerned with size at the C position for sure. He's played Lee with Pau and Deadman, so I don't think he wants Lee as a C. The suns game Pop played Dedmon/Anderson, the only time he played Anderson as the 4, and frankly he had a good solid game. The lineup he played in was terrible though. Both Dedmon and Simmons played sooooo bad that they lost possession after possession due to some O Foul or TO. It is possible that the fact that Simmons is not going to be reliable and solid is sinking in, which makes him not a rotation piece---my guess---so the concern for the SF minutes is real. Simmons may remain right now as a deep bench reserve, unless he can turn it around (which may require solid play for a string of games right now, not a single game.)

I have also noticed how many looks Forbes has gotten. My guess is that the concern for a SG who can shoot the 3 and spaces the floor is real. It also reflects to me their desire to stick with the non-shooting combo of Deadman/Lee. It's already cramped to play Anderson there (who I am guessing will get pushed and pressured to be aggressive with the 3 as well) but they cannot afford to play Simmons with those three when Manu is resting. Simmons reworked his shot with Chip and has since lost the touch from three (very off in SL, and so far this season). Again you might be right, but for right now, I think Pop is going to try to make it work with Deadman/Lee.

[YGWHI]

I found this on PTR and it was too funny

I was going to tell you that people on PtR are more optimistic about Kyle than people here, their expectations on him seem realistic, I liked what I read about him there.

Sure, you will hear, PtR is awful, but I guess that's about the articles. The comments of fans are fine/nice.

[TheGreatYacht]

Kyle with 6pts (2/8fg), 4reb, 2ast in 27 minutes

[SAGirl]

I was going to tell you that people on PtR are more optimistic about Kyle than people here, their expectations on him seem realistic, I liked what I read about him there.

Sure, you will hear, PtR is awful, but I guess that's about the articles. The comments of fans are fine/nice.

Thanks

[Chinook]

It was too hard to see what kind of shots he got and how close he was to making them tonight. Some were blocked, and that's going to happen when he's under the rim. I wish he would've shot more, since he had a good test in Gordon going up against him. Dude needs to keep grinding; it wasn't there today.

[tonight...you]

It was too hard to see what kind of shots he got and how close he was to making them tonight. Some were blocked, and that's going to happen when he's under the rim. I wish he would've shot more, since he had a good test in Gordon going up against him. Dude needs to keep grinding; it wasn't there today.

The angles were awful. You could gather so little, but I saw Kyle do many more good things in this game than the last. Nowhere near really good, but at least okay.
He did some strong rebounding and positioning... Handled some intense ball pressure when Arci couldn't... Steadied the team at certain moments with his Zen-like movements...

I saw some positives... and you know I'm not a Kyle-guy at all.

[SAGirl]

I thought he was used as a playmaker. In the SL, neither Danny, nor Mills were going to make plays off the dribble, and he ran some PnR with the bigs making nice passes. Didn't have as many assists bc the bigs didn't have a good shooting night.

For himself he had a very tough matchup. Aaron Gordon is as tall and almost as long as he is and more athletic and strong. He's not Kawhi, but he's taller, and has every other physical tool he needs to make life difficult + he's dedicated on that end. The camera angles were indeed horrible, but from what I saw, at least he did not pass up open shots like the last game. He was blocked twice. One of the blocks was right in front of the camera and he was pushed and there was a lot of contact, with arms as long as he has if he's going for the reverse you really have to jump up on top of him to get to that, and Aaron did... there was a lot of contact in that play but they didn't call the foul, gave the benefit of the doubt to the shot blocker.

It was hard to tell otherwise, at least I didn't see him open and just passing to other ppl, that kind of passiveness wasn't there this time. I thought they were on him like glue (again from what I could see).

[Brazil]

So far Simmons sucks but sucks less than Anderson... We are far far far from not relying on Manu to lead the bench... so yeah you do whatever you can to give Manu the best conditios to succeed a big whith whom he can P&R and shooter to spread the floor for him.

Again if Anderson is not capable to produce without dominating the ball, good bye

[Brazil]

Plan should be for this year: pray for Manu to be healthy, pray for Anderson get his together and starts playing off the ball. next year, you insert Parker from the bench, him and Manu (if still there) will control ball and pace... Again the wet dream of KA leading the bench is well... a wet dream... won't happen

[dabom]

Plan should be for this year: pray for Manu to be healthy, pray for Anderson get his together and starts playing off the ball. next year, you insert Parker from the bench, him and Manu (if still there) will control ball and pace... Again the wet dream of KA leading the bench is well... a wet dream... won't happen

You saying he can't ISO vs the warriors in the playoffs?

[Brazil]

You saying he can't ISO vs the warriors in the playoffs?

give him high usage for him to be successful

[spursistan]

Bump..

It is sad that this is going to boil down to the conventional wisdom about the limits of his ceiling from when we drafted him..the shocking part is that he looks to have regressed from last year..

[100%duncan]

PLEASE CUT THIS GUY.

[Nathan89]

KA is getting worse tbh

[tholdren]

because he has never had the capability of being a playmaker on a team that wasn't loaded. He can't run a unit. If spurs had 5 really good players he could be a 6th. But the spurs have 1-2 reliable game in and out players. package kyle and tony.

[TheDoctor]

Kyle's fathead so big that he's constantly pulling the other players heads into orbit.

[ElNono]

I started the season with an open mind and rooting for him, but I'm genuinely starting to hate him, tbh... Bonner-style hate...

[MaNu4Tres]

I still stand by my first post in this thread.

The guy simply isn't good enough.

Should have traded him for a 2nd this past summer.

[spursistan]

He is playing himself to the trading block..