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Nash??? Uh no..How many rings would Duncan have with Nash or Kidd as his pg?
And Kidd may have won a few from 04 to 07 but they did anyway. And Kidd got old fast..
Nash??? Uh no..How many rings would Duncan have with Nash or Kidd as his pg?
And Kidd may have won a few from 04 to 07 but they did anyway. And Kidd got old fast..
I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that Kyle's ship has sailed - at least on the Spurs. Perhaps he can restart his career on a team with a coach that will give him a defined role/position that Kyle can focus on. I wish Pop had just forced him to bulk up and play a stretch-4 before he tried to make him a Diaw replacement. Kyle was never going to have the speed or lateral quickness to be a 3. If Pop had just forced him to be a stretch-4 all the other tricks in his bag would have been nice embellishments - not the core. I think Pop piled the guy's plate a little too high. He may never had made it, but his chances seem to be diminishing on this team. Maybe he can restart someplace and become a Beno-like journeyman.
Actually Kidd seemed to age rather well - becoming a 3-point threat, making a transition that many hoped Tony would duplicate.
ing this. He didn't start working on his shot until well into his career. Lazy. He would have been even more devastating early on if he'd had a decent shot. And extended his efficiency as he got slower.
Or not so quietly...
The fact that Pop had to yell at Tony to pass the ball is telling. It's embarrassing for TP as a veteran of the team to act like that in front of the new players and rookies. He looks very disengaged on court. It's obvious he doesn't like the new role and still thinks he is an elite pg. If he had a better three point shot he could play more off ball but his shot has lost him. He lost his quickness and can't drive and kick out to shooters anymore. Don't even get me started on his defense, it's horrific. Pop is protecting Parker's legacy and he will retire a starter. The Spurs NEVER had any contingency plan to replace him and it will take years for Murray to develop. Not sure why they didn't go after another star pg last summer instead of hitching on the Durant train. The Spurs pg position and depth is an issue and will be against the top teams. CP3, Lillard, Curry, Kyrie will have a field day. Spurs can't expect Kawhi or Danny to bail TP out every game because he is a defensive liability. That's why I don't think the Spurs can make it past the Clippers or Warriors in the playoffs. Guard play is vulnerable. This is a PG-driven league and Spurs have been lacking in that department for awhile now.
I agree. To be fair to Pop, he didn't come in easy to figure out and 20 year old guys can project as something at a very young age and never quite achieve it. Some NBA players don't figure out a niche in their first NBA team either. It takes them longer and the right team or situation to play to their potential.
I do think Pop has tried to place him in spots he can succeed at but he didn't decide on that early. And right now, he's playing a role that the team needs due to their lack of wing depth, not necessarily a role that's good for him. I think he ended up a wing bc Spurs needed wing depth for example and this season they have a better stretch 4 prospect in Bertans.
It might be better that he be traded but I doubt it happens. If he's not playing well he won't have trade interest and the Spurs need the depth bc of their wing situation, Manu being 39 years old and Bertans having been fragile so far for his young career. So considering he's still on the Spurs and they need him to survive the RS, I still want him to do well. He's still young enough to turn his career around but the positional existential crisis doesn't help matters... except to feed trolling.
No need to sign a star PG. The Spurs already have a starting PG on the roster who would probably give a hometown discount. His handles and courtvision aren't the best out there but he's a willing team player. That goes a long way imo. I also have no doubt that he can be an efficient 15 ppg guy. He has no problem getting buckets in international ball despite having to shoulder a heavier load and garnering more attention from defenses.
Avery was roughly the same age as Tony is now when his Spurs playing career ended in 2001 (I think). Time waits for no one and it looks like Tony is at the point of not being good enough anymore to play at a high level for a significant stretch of games.
It happens to them all. Point guards in particular lose that 5th gear and its over.
I would not be surprised if this is TP's last year in SA. I think Manu might outlast him here as a bench contributor.
No he didn't. By 2008 he was declining fast. Spurs won 2 les during the following 4 years when they could have signed Kidd. He was 35 by the end of those 4 years and declining. Tony played consistent and well until really last year..
Can't really call Parker "lazy." He did work hard on certain things in the offseasons. Like running his own team, playing for his national team, cutting albums, etc.
Are you stupid? Kidd was widely considered the 2nd or 3rd best player on the 2011 Mavs.
TP shouldn't play more than 15-18 minutes per game.
this reminds me of 2014-2015 SpursTalk, tbh..although it's like 70% of the forum on the bandwagon, rather than just Apo, dabom and I being reported to the mods every day for anti-Parker threads and
ruining the forum
Tony has been finished for a few seasons, tbh..this is old news..it hasn't bothered me since the 2015 playoffs, though, as I learned to accept it a long time ago..at some point, you just have to stop criticising the victim of Father Time, and allocating the blame to the coach instead..
Widely considered by who? Nobody was taking him over Tony in 2011. Not even his haters on ST.
I agree with everything you said except the "Durant train" bit - insofar as it affected the team's ability to acquire a FA upgrade at PG. The Spurs had limited cap space and had two real needs: a big to replace Timmy and a PG upgrade. They chose the "big" last off-season. The Durant train would have done nothing except deplete the Spurs as it has the Dubs. That was just a Quixotic quest for a delusional PATFO. The only way the Spurs could have filled the need for both an upgrade at PG and replacement for Tim was via trade. Wasn't going to happen - and less than 0.01% chance of it happening this season. To me it looks like the Spurs are waiting until next season to really mount a true championship assault.
By anyone that watches basketball? And I'm not sure what him not being as good as a young Enrique has to do with him not aging well.
It's sad how so many around here devalue the career of Tony, while they worship Manu to no end. Ridiculous quite frankly..
He's just too ing selfish and has too much ego.
I've never seen a player give less s for his team mates.
When I saw the le of this thread I thought for a second that TP had a postgame rant talking about how he needs to be the focal point in order for the team to win...and then thought better of it, lol. He has said dumb things before but he knows his limits.
Are you intentionally trying to talk about anything other than the reason I quoted you? You said Kidd didn't age well. That's not true. All this other stuff you're rambling about has nothing to with that.
He didn't. Tony was better for longer after 2003. Not hard to understand. Kidd had about 4 more prime or near prime seasons. Tony was in his prime when Tim passed his. By 2011 Tony was their best player and the Spurs won 61 games. You think if Kidd was on this team in 2011 anyone here would have been pleased? Not a chance.
I'll give it to SASDynasty. Even when he knows his favorite player is washed up/finished, he sticks by him. Gotta respect that loyalty.
He has to go.. CP3 has to replace him
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