Trumps rape case given court date

[tlongII]

Do you think offering sophistic arguments is more or less convincing than being honest and forthright?



Also not really an answer.

I guess we can therefore assume you think being dishonest is more convincing. Shocker.

Why do you think the right has to lie so much to make their case?

You're the one that's supporting a demonstrably dishonest politician.

[RandomGuy]

Why do you think the right has to lie so much to make their case?

You're the one that's supporting a demonstrably dishonest politician.

Now I am really confused, you think I am supporting Trump? or do you think I am claiming that Hillary is honest? I am doing neither.

So, in answer to the question "why does the right have to lie so much to make their case", your response is to lie?

The question remains:

Why do you think the right has to lie so much to make their case? Your thoughts. If you don't think the right lies so much, perhaps you can pick a topic, and we can walk through the lies I am observing.

We could start with the reasons Republicans gave for not voting on the Supreme court vacancy.

[RandomGuy]

Not a single mention of Norm Lubow?

Relevance? Honestly don't recognize the name. Just weeding through an initial vetting of what I do know, using critical thinking.

[RandomGuy]

Not a single mention of Norm Lubow?

Do you think the right-wing media is honest when it presents information? Why or why not?

I see a lot of poor critical thinking when I read your links, as I have pointed out in the past. Even the timeline you posted is not quite fully honest.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Relevance? Honestly don't recognize the name. Just weeding through an initial vetting of what I do know, using critical thinking.

Very relevant.

The original Guardian article you posted included a link to the Guardian's investigation they did into the Trump rape accusations, which Lubow is behind. They found a bunch of other times Lubow was busted for similar false claims against celebrities. Not sure how you missed it the first time.

[RandomGuy]

Very relevant.

The original Guardian article you posted included a link to the Guardian's investigation they did into the Trump rape accusations, which Lubow is behind. They found a bunch of other times Lubow was busted for similar false claims against celebrities. Not sure how you missed it the first time.

Easy answer:

Didn't read the full Guardian article. Skimmed the story somewhere else, then google searched it, and linked the first article I found.

As much as I am loathe to admit a mistake, this is one. Since I hold intellectual honesty to be important, I will however put on my big boy pants and admit it.

Add that to the other bit, and the charges look a lot less likely, if Lubow is indeed involved.

Thanks for catching that. In retrospect that is probably a pretty fair reason that the mainstream media has left this one alone, and we haven't seen more of it, which is something of a good thing.

Again, thanks, and sorry for not fully reading my own article.

[RandomGuy]

Not a single mention of Norm Lubow?

So let's walk through this then.

It should be noted though, that there is nothing to show here, who is making the allegation, merely that Lubow attempted to profit from a tape.

In this case Lubow's credibility is not that of the claimants, assuming Jane Doe is the one bringing the suit. Agree or disagree?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Easy answer:

Didn't read the full Guardian article. Skimmed the story somewhere else, then google searched it, and linked the first article I found.

As much as I am loathe to admit a mistake, this is one. Since I hold intellectual honesty to be important, I will however put on my big boy pants and admit it.

Add that to the other bit, and the charges look a lot less likely, if Lubow is indeed involved.

Thanks for catching that. In retrospect that is probably a pretty fair reason that the mainstream media has left this one alone, and we haven't seen more of it, which is something of a good thing.

Again, thanks, and sorry for not fully reading my own article.

No worries

[TheSanityAnnex]

So let's walk through this then.

It should be noted though, that there is nothing to show here, who is making the allegation, merely that Lubow attempted to profit from a tape.

In this case Lubow's credibility is not that of the claimants, assuming Jane Doe is the one bringing the suit. Agree or disagree?

Actually it doesn't look like Lubow was involved in pitching the tape, that was some unnamed publicist. Lubow looks to have coordinated the lawsuit.

I'm not saying her claim is false, I'm just highly skeptical because of who's helping her push the claim.

[RandomGuy]

Actually it doesn't look like Lubow was involved in pitching the tape, that was some unnamed publicist. Lubow looks to have coordinated the lawsuit.

I'm not saying her claim is false, I'm just highly skeptical because of who's helping her push the claim.

I wouldn't say "highly". Such charges generally aren't made lightly against such powerful people, and when they are, they fall apart rather quickly.

As I said, hard to say with any degree of certainty, and we will get to see.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Not sure if same accuser but rape allegation case against Trump dropped, again.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/1...dropped-230770

[tlongII]

Why do you think the right has to lie so much to make their case?



Now I am really confused, you think I am supporting Trump? or do you think I am claiming that Hillary is honest? I am doing neither.

So, in answer to the question "why does the right have to lie so much to make their case", your response is to lie?

The question remains:

Why do you think the right has to lie so much to make their case? Your thoughts. If you don't think the right lies so much, perhaps you can pick a topic, and we can walk through the lies I am observing.

We could start with the reasons Republicans gave for not voting on the Supreme court vacancy.

Where did I lie? You support Hillary and she is demonstrably dishonest. I have no comment on why the right lies so much. Do you believe the left does not lie?

[FromWayDowntown]

Apparently, she dropped the suit, but insists that what she alleged is true:

http://theslot.jezebel.com/the-woman...-dr-1788603598

[FromWayDowntown]

But there's also this, which is more salacious than anything:

National Enquirer Shielded Donald Trump From Playboy Model’s Affair Allegation

The company that owns the National Enquirer, a backer of Donald Trump, agreed to pay $150,000 to a former Playboy centerfold model for her story of an affair a decade ago with the Republican presidential nominee, but then didn’t publish it, according to do ents reviewed by The Wall Street Journal and people familiar with the matter.

The tabloid-newspaper publisher reached an agreement in early August with Karen McDougal, the 1998 Playmate of the Year. American Media Inc., which owns the Enquirer, hasn’t published anything about what she has told friends was a consensual romantic relationship she had with Mr. Trump in 2006. At the time, Mr. Trump was married to his current wife, Melania.

http://theslot.jezebel.com/the-woman...-dr-1788603598

[Fabbs]

Well, whom are we to believe now?
Woman Suing Trump on Rape Charges a No-Show at Press Conference
Woman Suing Donald Trump Over Alleged Rape Drops Lawsuit (Again)

http://www.snopes.com/2016/11/02/wom...-rape-charges/
http://www.snopes.com/2016/11/05/tru...dropped-again/

The complainant cited "numerous threats" against her life as the reason behind both her non-appearance and her dropping of the lawsuit. The woman alleged that Trump and billionaire Jeffrey Epstein had raped her in 1994, when she was a 13-year-old aspiring model.

“She has been here all day, ready to do it, but unfortunately she is in terrible fear,” attorney Lisa Bloom said of the abortive press conference. A status conference for the lawsuit was scheduled to be held on 16 December 2016.

Alan Garten, a lawyer for the Trump Organization, said the claims were “a complete fabrication” and that "this is basically a sham lawsuit brought by someone who desires to impact the presidential election."

[Winehole23]

But there's also this, which is more salacious than anything:

National Enquirer Shielded Donald Trump From Playboy Model’s Affair Allegation

The company that owns the National Enquirer, a backer of Donald Trump, agreed to pay $150,000 to a former Playboy centerfold model for her story of an affair a decade ago with the Republican presidential nominee, but then didn’t publish it, according to do ents reviewed by The Wall Street Journal and people familiar with the matter.

The tabloid-newspaper publisher reached an agreement in early August with Karen McDougal, the 1998 Playmate of the Year. American Media Inc., which owns the Enquirer, hasn’t published anything about what she has told friends was a consensual romantic relationship she had with Mr. Trump in 2006. At the time, Mr. Trump was married to his current wife, Melania.

http://theslot.jezebel.com/the-woman...-dr-1788603598

very magnanimous of the National Enquirer

[Warlord23]

Where did I lie? You support Hillary and she is demonstrably dishonest. I have no comment on why the right lies so much. Do you believe the left does not lie?

If you use Hillary's dishonesty as a disqualifier, you better be voting 3rd party because Donnie has her beat by miles on this one. Hillary twists the facts, hides stuff and lies like a lawyer, but Chump lies like an unbalanced sociopath, not caring if his lies can be disproved by a couple of minutes of research on youtube or google.

[Pelicans78]

Do you think the right-wing media is honest when it presents information? Why or why not?

I see a lot of poor critical thinking when I read your links, as I have pointed out in the past. Even the timeline you posted is not quite fully honest.

I just see semantics on your part to dismiss the fact that you are supporting one of the most corrupt politicians in history and seem to have no problem with that.

[tlongII]

If you use Hillary's dishonesty as a disqualifier, you better be voting 3rd party because Donnie has her beat by miles on this one. Hillary twists the facts, hides stuff and lies like a lawyer, but Chump lies like an unbalanced sociopath, not caring if his lies can be disproved by a couple of minutes of research on youtube or google.

Absolutely incorrect.

[spurraider21]

"thousands of muslims cheering from rooftops"
"people saw bombs on the floor and didn't report it"
"general pershing lined up and shot muslims with bullets covered in pig blood"

[TheSanityAnnex]

Apparently, she dropped the suit, but insists that what she alleged is true:

http://theslot.jezebel.com/the-woman...-dr-1788603598

She made up the story about Trump

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...TED-story.html

[Spurminator]

She made up the story about Trump

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...TED-story.html

You just linked the British National Inquirer with a story about making up stories.

Did you read it?

[Winehole23]

TSA isn't responsible for what he posts -- " just spreading information"

[RandomGuy]

I just see semantics on your part to dismiss the fact that you are supporting one of the most corrupt politicians in history and seem to have no problem with that.

(shrugs)

One has to weigh an awful lot of this election cycle. I don't buy all the "corrupt" blather entirely, as the people claiming that have every motivation to exaggerate, and you know it.

For the sake of argument, sure I am supporting one of the most corrupt politicians in history, over the least qualified candidate for president in modern history. Trump is so seriously stupid and irresponsible that I am still somewhat shocked that a major political party nominated him.

Do you think someone who can't be trusted with a twitter feed should be president? You do know his advisers took away Trump's twitter account right?

What does that say to you?

[RandomGuy]

She made up the story about Trump

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...TED-story.html

Did all of the women make up their stories?

Is drug use and other self-destructive behavior common among victims of childhood sexual assault?