Rank our backcourt rotation compared to the rest of the league.

[Chinook]

I'm guessing you did a lot of research of "other fans" for that? Getting your opinions from the same people who were SURE that Hillary was going to win in a landslide, until about 10:00 on election night.


"So, as you can see, Danny's value is really quite limited at present."

I guess one of these days, this professor shtick will make sense. Anyway, I literally just cited what I meant by other fans. Some of us do talk to fans on other forums about trade values.

[Robz4000]

We needed an additional playmaker in the SL. Kawhi and Parker are just average playmakers, and LMA and Green are non-existent playmakers.

The SL is fine tbh, as long as they stop sleepwalking to start games. They need a PG who can come in for Parker when he's scrubing it up and do what he used to be able to do to an extent. Darren Collison would be a nice option tbh.

[Chinook]

I don't advocate trading him. We're priced in. And if he gets hot, this team is a different animal, so it's worth rolling the dice.

I just find it funny that he's beyond criticism. He'll do his 5 straight games with 2-6 points on 40% shooting thing, and the blame will somehow fall on LMA or Parker's shoulders.

Yeah, it's kind of a problem when our starting SG isn't a consistent double-digit scorer in the modern league.

Sure didn't stop them from being a contender in 2012-2014. Maybe that's not modern enough for you.

Green's not beyond criticism. He is beyond people repeating the same stale takes about him that they've been saying for six years. He's already proven he's a viable starter on a championship level team, so this "d-league" talk is just lame.

[YGWHI]

There's no quick fix here, tbh... if you're gonna put it on one guy, it gotta be Pop... this team goes from largely amazing on the road to lethargic at home. It's not about calling people soft, it's about doing something about it.

You can have bad shooting nights. Tonight was one of those nights. But there's no excuse to coast at home, and most of the loses had a big dose of that.

[Chinook]

The SL is fine tbh, as long as they stop sleepwalking to start games. They need a PG who can come in for Parker when he's scrubing it up and do what he used to be able to do to an extent. Darren Collison would be a nice option tbh.

I did hear a Parker/Anderson/first for Collison/Gay trade proposal. I'd do that in a heartbeat.

[Kawhitstorm]

lol at trading Green before two soft pussies bigs with zero equity in the team and a washed up 34yo PG..

Honestly, I would look to move Mills before the trade deadline with his impending FA in this market....

Patty is playing really well, they could sell high & get good value for him. The issue is that his salary is so low that he won't fetch a legit playmaker as an upgrade.

[midnightpulp]

Beyond criticism? He gets on here plenty. However, he isn't the one being paid $16mil or $14mil while being a net negative player. Green can't be the best guard on a championship-calibre team, but every championship team needs a player of similar ilk.

In case you missed this post during the page flip:

Danny frustrates me because he's had 5 seasons now to add some semblance of a dribble-drive or inbetween game to his arsenal, but he's still over-reliant on being the same system spot up shooter as he was in 2013.

Even J.J. Re developed a midrange in between game. Last season, he took 34% of his shots from between 16 feet and 3 point range, and shot .473 from there. J.J. took 52% of his shots from 2 point range in total.

D-League took 38% of his shots from 2 point range in total and he shot below 40% from every 2 point distance except from 0-3 feet . , Re even shoots a higher percentage from 0-3 feet than D-League.

Someone will say because Re plays alongside Chris Paul, but that's yet another excuse. It's never on Danny. It's always some excuse. "LMA is affecting his shot." "He's just limited. A role player. What do you expect?" "Parker this, Parker that."

Every time he catches the ball at the arc, he gets closed out on, and has an ocean of mid-range space to hit a pull up jumper. Again, Re does this at a great clip, but yet D-League is somehow incapable of adding it to his game. Kawhi added it to his game by his 2nd second season, and he was a terrible shooter coming out of college.

I don't buy it.

But yeah, he plays defense and hit a bunch of 3s against the Heat for 2 games.

I just want around J.J. Re offensive performance from him. I don't think that's too much to expect.

Someone will say, "he doesn't have Re 's overall game."

Modern training methods with regards to skills are so good now, there should be little excuse. Yes, skills that are reliant on athleticism like dribble-drive penetration can't simply be taught to a player who naturally lacks speed and leaping ability, but all professional players can learn to shoot from midrange, as Re has. Danny has great length and can obviously shoot from 3, so there should be nothing keeping him from tacking on 4 extra points per game from mid-range jumpers.

[Robz4000]

I did hear a Parker/Anderson/first for Collison/Gay trade proposal. I'd do that in a heartbeat.

Not sure about Gay, but I'd take a chance on him. Worst-case scenario he's gone next season and the Spurs have Porker off the books. Again though, I doubt the Spurs ever trade Porker.

[SpurPadre]

I just don't think you'd anything great for him. I think had MKE known what was going to happen to Middleton, they would have given up 10 for Green during the draft. Maybe Chicago would have done something similar with 14. Or SAC with eight. None of the guys they actually picked at those spots would be good enough now, especially since the Spurs wouldn't be able to use that cap space. Plus those teams don't have the same optimism they had during the summer.

Sixers fans have suggested that Green could be the main piece in an Okafor package, but unless it's like Okafor, Covington and Korkmaz for Green, Mills and some other incentive, I don't think it has legs.

Yeah, it's not an easy scenario in regards to Green.

[midnightpulp]

Sure didn't stop them from being a contender in 2012-2014. Maybe that's not modern enough for you.

Green's not beyond criticism. He is beyond people repeating the same stale takes about him that they've been saying for six years. He's already proven he's a viable starter on a championship level team, so this "d-league" talk is just lame.

We also had a good Parker, good Duncan, and good Manu during that time. Danny is now a "young gun" that is part of the new core, so it was on him add to his arsenal as those players declined. And he didn't. Same old spot up system shooter.

Again, Re can shoot from the midrange. What's stopping Danny?

[HarlemHeat37]

I just find mid's point strange, considering every other contender from last year had a Danny Green-type in their starting lineup, tbh

I'm a Green homer, just like he's an Aldridge/Gasol homer, but still, I don't know where you'll find an NBA starting lineup on a top team that doesn't have a role player that mostly shoots open shots..

[Robz4000]

In case you missed this post during the page flip:



I just want around J.J. Re offensive performance from him. I don't think that's too much to expect.

Someone will say, "he doesn't have Re 's overall game."

Modern training methods with regards to skills are so good now, there should be little excuse. Yes, skills that are reliant on athleticism like dribble-drive penetration can't simply be taught to a player who naturally lacks speed and leaping ability, but all professional players can learn to shoot from midrange, as Re has. Danny has great length and can obviously shoot from 3, so there should be nothing keeping him from tacking on 4 extra points per game from mid-range jumpers.

He is what he is tbh, and what he doesn't manage on offense is made up for on the defensive end (where Red is a liability). He's shown signs of a counter to getting run off the line this season (that little dribble inside then step back and pop the shot); let's see where it goes. At this point, however, Green is not the issue with this team.

[Kawhitstorm]

Danny frustrates me because he's had 5 seasons now to add some semblance of a dribble-drive or inbetween game to his arsenal, but he's still over-reliant on being the same system spot up shooter as he was in 2013.

Even J.J. Re developed a midrange in between game. Last season, he took 34% of his shots from between 16 feet and 3 point range, and shot .473 from there. J.J. took 52% of his shots from 2 point range in total.

Re is the all-time leading scorer in the ACC, Danny was the 5th option even in college for the entire 4 year.

[Chinook]

We also had a good Parker, good Duncan, and good Manu during that time. Danny is now a "young gun" that is part of the new core, so it was on him add to his arsenal as those players declined. And he didn't. Same old spot up system shooter.

Again, Re can shoot from the midrange. What's stopping Danny?

Seems like even you know the issue is with some of the five players making more than him. Danny left money on the table so the team could get stars. Don't blame him because PATFO pissed that money away.

[SpurPadre]

We have to accept that TP is a made man, just like Bonner was for the Spurs. He will never, under ANY cir stance be traded.

[HarlemHeat37]

Sucks that the Spurs couldn't foresee that Dedmon and Lee would become such productive players, tbh..neither could start for a full load of minutes, but they could have been good enough to split them..

The Gasol signing was such a waste, unfortunately..easier said in hindsight, as both Dedmon and Lee were question marks, but still..very pointless..

[DPG21920]

I did hear a Parker/Anderson/first for Collison/Gay trade proposal. I'd do that in a heartbeat.

I really don't see SA trading TP unless its a no-brainer foundation piece. Gay/Collison aren't that. I mean, I would easily do that trade value wise, but I don't see SA trading TP.

[SAGirl]

It's been hammered to death, but the Spurs realistically had about $23-24 Million in cap space this summer. It's sad that with that cap situation, only Lee, Dedmon and Bertans were good acquisitions (especially since none of them had to count against the cap at all).

The
truth and I do agree that Pau is redundant with LMA though he's a better passer and if he was the same age, flat out better player... overall the offseason was underwhelming.

I have grievances with PATFO. I don't care to name them all.

Guard play was a priority for me... huge priority but it did require Pop to move on from emotional attachments to Tony and Manu. We know that wasn't going to happen.

[DPG21920]

Mid, come on man. These arguments are really tired.

Danny not only does his job defensively which is huge vs most playoff teams SA has to face (when paired with Kawhi) but he is clutch.

Sorry he's not the best slasher; if he was SA could not afford him because he would be a top 30 player in the NBA. JJ Red can't play defense like Danny either.

[Kawhitstorm]

Btw, I actually agree that the Spurs should look to move Green, especially if he continues shooting well..he has one of the friendliest contracts in the NBA, they could probably get a piece for him in a package..

The reason they should do it is because they clearly don't have any interest on fixing the PG position in the next 2 years, there's virtually no chance that Parker will be benched..if that's the case, they might as well look for a different type of SG and attempt to transition TP into a role player, if possible(spot-up shooter/defender, which is unlikely, but maybe he can carve out a new niche)..

I made a post saying PATFO should trade Danny for G.Hill last season (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...ge=2&p=8810493) when the Pacers were severely under-utilizing him w/ Monta running the offense but Danny's lover (Chinook) claimed Hill wasn't even a starter.

[midnightpulp]

I just find mid's point strange, considering every other contender from last year had a Danny Green-type in their starting lineup, tbh

I'm a Green homer, just like he's an Aldridge/Gasol homer, but still, I don't know where you'll find an NBA starting lineup on a top team that doesn't have a role player that mostly shoots open shots..

Clippers: J.J. Re . As I've said before, he's deadly from 16-23 feet, meaning he can burn defenders with pull up midrange J's when they close on him.

Warriors: Klay Thompson. Overrated, sure, but a much better all around offensive player than Danny.

Cavs: J.R. Smith. Even though super athletic, he's generally a spot up shooter today. Difference is, the Cavs have Lebron and Kyrie in front of him on the perimeter pecking order.

Danny is, quite literally, our second best perimeter player. The impetus was on him to develop a backup weapon in addition to his spot up 3 point shooting. Yeah, I know he'll never be a penetrator, but there is no conceivable reason he couldn't add a consistent 15 footer to his game.

This is all I ask from Danny.

12 points, 2-5 3pt, 2-5 from 2, 2-2 FT type of games.

Re does it in his sleep.

[Chinook]

I made a post saying PATFO should trade Danny for G.Hill last season (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...ge=2&p=8810493) when the Pacers were severely under-utilizing him w/ Monta running the offense but Danny's lover (Chinook) claimed Hill wasn't even a starter.

At least you still aren't pushing for this trade. Ian is toxic.

Sad that you're acting like Hill hasn't been in the league for longer than this season, though.

[midnightpulp]

Seems like even you know the issue is with some of the five players making more than him. Danny left money on the table so the team could get stars. Don't blame him because PATFO pissed that money away.

Still didn't answer the question.

What's stopping Danny from developing a midrange pull-up when the 3 ball is being taken away?

"It's not his game!"

Kawhi with his big ass hands, mechanics, and non-existent jumpshot skillset coming out of college developed himself into one of, if not the best, mid-range jump shooters in the game.

[HarlemHeat37]

Clippers: J.J. Re . As I've said before, he's deadly from 16-23 feet, meaning he can burn defenders with pull up midrange J's when they close on him.

Warriors: Klay Thompson. Overrated, sure, but a much better all around offensive player than Danny.

Cavs: J.R. Smith. Even though super athletic, he's generally a spot up shooter today. Difference is, the Cavs have Lebron and Kyrie in front of him on the perimeter pecking order.

Danny is, quite literally, our second best perimeter player. The impetus was on him to develop a backup weapon in addition to his spot up 3 point shooting. Yeah, I know he'll never be a penetrator, but there is no conceivable reason he couldn't add a consistent 15 footer to his game.

This is all I ask from Danny.

12 points, 2-5 3pt, 2-5 from 2, 2-2 FT type of games.

Re does it in his sleep.

Eh, that's not how it works

Green is the role player, not a go-to option on the perimeter, that's Kawhi and Parker, by design(not that Danny could do it, anyways, he can't)..he isn't Re , he's Mbah a Moute..he isn't Klay, he's Harrison Barnes..he isn't Derozan, he's Demarre Carroll..

His job is to make 3s and play defense..when he isn't doing either of those, he deserves criticism..he has never been asked to carry the load as a creator(outside of small stretches in 2014-2015) and he never will be, that isn't his job..

And yes, Re is a better offensive player than Green..they're completely different players, though..Re is a major option for the Clippers, part of their offense is designed around him, he's much more involved in their offense than Danny is for the Spurs, obviously..at this point, he isn't even a role player..

[GSH]

Mid, come on man. These arguments are really tired.

Danny not only does his job defensively which is huge vs most playoff teams SA has to face (when paired with Kawhi) but he is clutch.

Sorry he's not the best slasher; if he was SA could not afford him because he would be a top 30 player in the NBA. JJ Red can't play defense like Danny either.

I didn't think the point was to trade Danny because he can't slash. I thought it was because he's worth more than his contract. Of course, if you believe this team is really going to have a serious shot at winning #6, then keeping Green is pretty much a no-brainer. If not, a guy who is worth more than his current contract is a good place to start.

If you're looking to the future, put Danny AND LMA (or Pau) on the trading block, and then see who might be available, and what kind of picks might get thrown into a deal.