NBA: Could ST be wrong about Klay Thompson

[nickdakoolkat]

you can be a superstar and be a spot up shooter majority of the time, IF you are one of the BEST spot up shooters in the game today and possibly ever. Klay is that good.

[DAF86]

if kawhi is a superstar than so is Klay...thats not me trying to knock him but Klay is waaaay better shooter and his defense is not that far below leonards

Dude, you are coming off as a huge homer, tbh.

[DMC]

They won a le without him showing up in the Finals so I wouldn't even call him a really good #2. Raymond probably had a bigger offensive impact due to his playmaking. Klay doesn't suck he's just held in way higher regard than his game deserves.

Not directed at you, but as I'm typing this Doc is on PTI saying he scored his 60 pts while having the ball in his hands a total of 88 seconds. ing glorified spot-up shooter.

16ppg is not showing up? Odd because AI won the FMVP with less than one PPG more. Maybe if you add a few more emoticons to your post a legit point will develop. Then Klay is the only reason they made the finals this year.

[FkLA]

Put KL on a team with Curry and Durant. See how his points total suffers. Who do you think will be the "guy" on offense if KL, Durant and Thompson were on the same team? Would they force the KL iso play, as you said, 99% of the time iso from top of the key?

It all depends on what the team around him is told to do. If plays are drawn up for KL, KL is going to score pretty well, but the team won't get that far because although he's had sparks of brilliance on offense, he's a defensive minded player who often recedes back into his hiding place on defense (if you can call it that). If you said you were going to feed Klay every trip and make the opponent stop him, how well would he do? Could he score in more ways than spot up 3s? He can attack the rim, doesn't very often but he can. He doesn't because the plan doesn't call for it. Steph spends more time under the rim than Klay does. That's by design and why Steph gets more rebounds than guys bigger than him.

That doesn't work here. Klay ain't sacrificing . He's averaging more FGAs than both Durant and Steph.

And no, getting to the basket occasionally=/=him being good at it. Decrepit Enrique can get to the basket occasionally too.

So you think Michael Redd and Reggie Miller were worse offensive players than Kawhi?

Yes.

I don't dwell on career highs or even averages. I look at overall offensive impact. When you rely on others putting pressure on defense to get you open like Klay or others setting screen after screen to get you open like Reggie you aren't having the same impact as a guy like Kawhi. The great Timothy Duncan averaged 25+ ppg once in his career and was usually in the 21-23 ppg range, wasn't a super explosive scorer, but he was a top offensive player year in and year out.

Anyone can carry a team. Where they end up is the question.

A team 'carried' by Klay wouldn't get anywhere. He ain't carrying in GS.

[FkLA]

KL is an elite 3 and D player that's been shoe-horned into a scorer's role based on team necessity. Take away his points off of his incredible defense and he's a mediocre offensive player. He's not a natural scorer. In that regard, Klay is also and elite 3 and D player but worse on defense, better on offense if you consider he leans on his strengths like KL does. KL has a huge portfolio of options and his strength is that he can go to any of them, but he's not the 3pt shooting threat Klay is, needs more space and time to get it off, but he's deadly when he does. He's a better pull up shooter by far and it's not really even close near the basket with the edge going to KL. However Klay's pull up in transition is so fast and deadly that he gets the nod from me at least. In reality those two are quite close and the numbers support that, and they'd make a great tandem but neither of them is overrated.

Holy , your takes are terrible. Kawhi gets one maybe two at most baskets directly off his defense yet somehow he's mediocre without that. WTF does his offensive repertoire have to do with his defense?

[benefactor]

if kawhi is a superstar than so is Klay...thats not me trying to knock him but Klay is waaaay better shooter and his defense is not that far below leonards

Go back to Warriors world got

[Robz4000]

if kawhi is a superstar than so is Klay...thats not me trying to knock him but Klay is waaaay better shooter and his defense is not that far below leonards

you can be a superstar and be a spot up shooter majority of the time, IF you are one of the BEST spot up shooters in the game today and possibly ever. Klay is that good.

[DMC]

Holy , your takes are terrible. Kawhi gets one maybe two at most baskets directly off his defense yet somehow he's mediocre without that. WTF does his offensive repertoire have to do with his defense?

So take 4ppg from him. What's his average now?

[spurraider21]

kawhi is one of the best midrange scorers in the league right now. add that to his ability to bully smaller players down low, and that he's one of the better 3pt shooters. he's not an above average playmaker, which is just about the only hole in his offensive game right now

[DMC]

That doesn't work here. Klay ain't sacrificing . He's averaging more FGAs than both Durant and Steph.

And no, getting to the basket occasionally=/=him being good at it. Decrepit Enrique can get to the basket occasionally too.

20 games in. I suppose your take is based on this year only then since KD had almost 20 FGA per game last year.

Yes.

I don't dwell on career highs or even averages. I look at overall offensive impact. When you rely on others putting pressure on defense to get you open like Klay or others setting screen after screen to get you open like Reggie you aren't having the same impact as a guy like Kawhi. The great Timothy Duncan averaged 25+ ppg once in his career and was usually in the 21-23 ppg range, wasn't a super explosive scorer, but he was a top offensive player year in and year out.

The old eyeball test. stats unless you can use them to support your stance like the "points off assists" red herring. Lol upstairs fodder.

A team 'carried' by Klay wouldn't get anywhere. He ain't carrying in GS.

A take based on the eyeball test mentioned above. Get your got ass back upstairs and wait for me.

[apalisoc_9]

Why is anyone talking basketball with Brown fat hands? He has a very limited understanding of the game tbh..



Doubt he's played a minute of basketball in his life.

[DMC]

kawhi is one of the best midrange scorers in the league right now. add that to his ability to bully smaller players down low, and that he's one of the better 3pt shooters. he's not an above average playmaker, which is just about the only hole in his offensive game right now

According to Fkla he's Michael Jordan reincarnated.

[DMC]

Why is anyone talking basketball with Brown fat hands? He has a very limited understanding of the game tbh..



Doubt he's played a minute of basketball in his life.

At least I didn't abandon my native land for the home of the brave, eh Manila boy?

[spurraider21]

According to Fkla he's Michael Jordan reincarnated.

and you think he's gerald wallace

[apalisoc_9]

Klay is not even at top 20 player.

any scorer below the top 25 player list can scrore 60 if they played with Durant and Curry and get assisted 95% of the time...

Posters who have clear evidence of lack of Physical activity either with spurstalk pictures or videos should have zero credibility about basketball...


Maybe top 25 friend chicken list but not 25 basketball players for sure.

[whitemamba]

JJ Red is an elite shooter. Do you think he'd average 30 PPG on a team?

God damn robz, im losing respect for your intelligence by each post. If you switch JJ and Klay, are the warriors stiill as good? No. All JJ got can do is shoot, he cant pass he cant dribble, he cant defend, he just shoots 3's and talks about on his podcast.The fact that you brought JJ into this argument cements your stupidity. You and FkLA would be tight friends tbh.

[Hoops Czar]

spot-up shooters that play off of others can carry teams on offense now apparently

Get back to me when he does anything close to this on his own team. If he can score 60 in 30 mins, while creating most of those shots with his own individual greatness then you'll have a point. Too bad he can't. He ain't Kobe or Tmac. Far from it. Kawhi is a better offensive player and it's not close. He's averaging more points on the same amount of FGAs even after the 60 pt game. More FTAs but that's expected as Klay ain't getting to the line spotting-up on the perimeter while other guys on his team put pressure on defenses.

Remember when Spurstalk self-proclaimed Danny to be the best 3 and D guy in the league? Good times. Wake me up when a Kawhi led team makes it past the 1st round of the playoffs (Memphis doesn't count).

[Hoops Czar]

kawhi is one of the best midrange scorers in the league right now. add that to his ability to bully smaller players down low, and that he's one of the better 3pt shooters. he's not an above average playmaker, which is just about the only hole in his offensive game right now

He'd better be. His entire offensive game is quite dependent on it.

[DMC]

Remember when Spurstalk self-proclaimed Danny to be the best 3 and D guy in the league? Good times. Wake me up when a Kawhi led team makes it past the 1st round of the playoffs (Memphis doesn't count).

No. Only Danny can self-proclaim it.

[DMC]

and you think he's gerald wallace

Gerald Wallace was no slouch in his prime. It wouldn't be a slight to compare them, but KL is a special player. His accolades currently exceed his impact, I think, but he's an enigma in that he's hard to nail down on where exactly his pinnacle exists.

[DMC]

Klay is not even at top 20 player.

any scorer below the top 25 player list can scrore 60 if they played with Durant and Curry and get assisted 95% of the time...

Posters who have clear evidence of lack of Physical activity either with spurstalk pictures or videos should have zero credibility about basketball...


Maybe top 25 friend chicken list but not 25 basketball players for sure.

Top player generally considers both sides of the ball. We're talking offense only. Come back when you understand the concept, oh and hand me a towel, piss boy...errr. I mean Pinoy.

Not sure what a friend chicken is. You have chickens for friends? I can imagine in that 3rd world hole you need all the friends you can get.

[Robz4000]

God damn robz, im losing respect for your intelligence by each post. If you switch JJ and Klay, are the warriors stiill as good? No. All JJ got can do is shoot, he cant pass he cant dribble, he cant defend, he just shoots 3's and talks about on his podcast.The fact that you brought JJ into this argument cements your stupidity. You and FkLA would be tight friends tbh.

When did I mention switching them on their respective teams? I asked you if you thought JJ Red would average 30 on a team since he's an elite shooter? You've implied that for that very reason Klay would average 30 PPG on a team.

[apalisoc_9]

Top player generally considers both sides of the ball. We're talking offense only. Come back when you understand the concept, oh and hand me a towel, piss boy...errr. I mean Pinoy.

Not sure what a friend chicken is. You have chickens for friends? I can imagine in that 3rd world hole you need all the friends you can get.

My fatass is bettwr cause I get to stuff my belly with 1st world fried chicken...Third world country

[313]

Klay dropped 37 in a quarter, Kawhi has never scored 37 in a game

Why is it even a question who the better offensive player is? It's not like Kawhi is racking up assist as play maker either so I don't think it's even close.

I would take Kawhi over Klay though still, because of the better defense, and the strides Kawhi's made as a ball handler.

[313]

Remember when Spurstalk self-proclaimed Danny to be the best 3 and D guy in the league? Good times. Wake me up when a Kawhi led team makes it past the 1st round of the playoffs (Memphis doesn't count).