Initial attempts to sign up for ObamaCare go about as well as expected

[TheSanityAnnex]

Why is that disclaimer ?

It should be boutons sig line

[Th'Pusher]

It should be boutons sig line

I think it's implied tbh. It's not like he writes the stuff. With any linked content on this site, the first thing I do is look at the source, then decide whether I want to even bother with reading it. If I do choose to read it, I try to apply critical thinking taking into account the objectivity of the source.

I think that would be a good practice for you to employ next time you find yourself trolling around brietbart looking for some anti Hillary/Obama material to spam this forum with.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I think it's implied tbh. It's not like he writes the stuff. With any linked content on this site, the first thing I do is look at the source, then decide whether I want to even bother with reading it. If I do choose to read it, I try to apply critical thinking taking into account the objectivity of the source.

I think that would be a good practice for you to employ next time you find yourself trolling around brietbart looking for some anti Hillary/Obama material to spam this forum with.

Should be easy then to find just one post of mine linking brietbart. Go ahead.

[Th'Pusher]

Should be easy then to find just one post of mine linking brietbart. Go ahead.

Not interested tbh. Anybody who frequents the political forum knows you're a partisan driven by emotion favoring sources that confirm your bias. It's not like you have attempted to achieve any sort of credibility here. Don't try and start now.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Not interested tbh. Anybody who frequents the political forum knows you're a partisan driven by emotion favoring sources that confirm your bias. It's not like you have attempted to achieve any sort of credibility here. Don't try and start now.

Just one breitbart link. Cmon.

[rmt]

Obamacare killing jobs in New York area, executives tell Federal Reserve survey

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/17/obama...ve-survey.html

[Chucho]

My favorite Left rhetoric in defense of this awful scam is "It's the Right's fault for fighting it all the way." Fighting something in Congress, that was a piss poor idea to begin with, isn't what causes a piss-poor idea to fail, it's the piss-poor idea and the piss-poor planning.

I was an Obama believer when I voted for him in 08. And then after seeing the first drafts of the bill, I was instantly left wondering, "how does this combat high health care costs in any way? It's just forcing people to buy a ticket to a terribly unregulated health care industry." and that is pretty much when the Obamanation realization set in for me, let alone his lies of ending the wars and the personal spending records that were coming to light in 11ish.

Say what you want about Trump, who is a ing moron- but still better than Hillary-and a perfect reflection of the stupidity we've cultivated in the last twenty years, but at least he has a better idea of how to combat the costs of actual healthcare like letting us import our drugs at a fair price instead of paying the insane markup that apparently only we pay, it's a lot better than continuing on with this wretched "healthcare" we have now.

It's such a ty system and you never hear how many Physicians flat out retired or closed their practices because of this. One of the most successful marketing campaigns my firm ran over the past few years was for the largest network of independent consigliere Drs. We basically helped them recruit Physicians that had responded to our advertising to get out of taking peanuts for their services and they take on only patients they want to take on and patients that pay them cash. Response was incredible. In two months, we helped the network bring on over 1,000 physicians. The Drs' hate Obamacare, most people who work hate it, Seniors and the disabled who were on MUCH BETTER programs before this crap really ING HATE IT. It's been an unabashed failure at every turn. But how to fix it, aside from regulating health care, like they should with the banks, again...

It's not an easy answer, but anyone who thinks universal healthcare is possible for a country of 350 million people from a heavily indebted country are ing high. Go ahead and point to some small Scandanavian country with 5-10 million people, it's possible on a small scale. It isn't possible for a nation of 350 million without someone footing the bill and the rich already foot a majority of our bills anyway, so that nonsense too. Universal healthcare is almost as laughable as people thinking a $15 minimum wage helps more than hurts.

[boutons_deux]

"rich already foot a majority of our bills anyway"

[Winehole23]

legal claims piling up enables an end run around Congress:

The Obama administration is maneuvering to pay health insurers billions of dollars the government owes under the Affordable Care Act, through a move that could cir vent Congress and help shore up the president’s signature legislative achievement before he leaves office.


Justice Department officials have privately told several health plans suing over the unpaid money that they are eager to negotiate a broad settlement, which could end up offering payments to about 175 health plans selling coverage on ACA marketplaces, according to insurance executives and lawyers familiar with the talks.


The payments most likely would draw from an obscure Treasury Department fund intended to cover federal legal claims, the executives and lawyers said. This approach would get around a recent congressional ban on the use of Health and Human Services money to pay the insurers.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...392_story.html

[rmt]

legal claims piling up enables an end run around Congress:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...392_story.html

The payments most likely would draw from an obscure Treasury Department fund intended to cover federal legal claims, the executives and lawyers said. This approach would get around a recent congressional ban on the use of Health and Human Services money to pay the insurers.

LOL - you mean the budget deal SIGNED BY OBAMA and now he's turned around and encouraging the insurance companies to sue the government for the money? If Obamacare is so wonderful, it should be self-sustaining and not require taxpayer bailouts.

[Winehole23]

the ACA was never sustainable -- and is increasingly unaffordable -- because it doesn't control health care costs. it was doomed to fail at the start.

[Winehole23]

Minnesota rates to rise by half:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...-rates-by-half

[Winehole23]

GAO finds payments to insurers from the US Treasury illegal:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapoth.../#2397ce3c47db

[boutons_deux]

U.S. says 6.4 million signed up for Obamacare from November 1: Dec. 19

Roughly 6.4 million consumers signed up for Obamacare insurance on Healthcare.gov from Nov. 1 to Dec. 19 indicating "clear demand for quality, affordable coverage," the U.S. government said on Wednesday.

The number of people signing up for Jan. 1, 2017 coverage during this period represents an increase of 400,000 compared with the same period a year ago, the government said.

Total plan selections through the extended deadline of Dec. 19 include 2.05 million new consumers and 4.31 million returning consumers actively renewing their coverage.

HealthCare.gov sells plans for 39 states while the other states run their own exchanges.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...e=domesticNews

[rmt]

U.S. says 6.4 million signed up for Obamacare from November 1: Dec. 19

Roughly 6.4 million consumers signed up for Obamacare insurance on Healthcare.gov from Nov. 1 to Dec. 19 indicating "clear demand for quality, affordable coverage," the U.S. government said on Wednesday.

The number of people signing up for Jan. 1, 2017 coverage during this period represents an increase of 400,000 compared with the same period a year ago, the government said.

Total plan selections through the extended deadline of Dec. 19 include 2.05 million new consumers and 4.31 million returning consumers actively renewing their coverage.

HealthCare.gov sells plans for 39 states while the other states run their own exchanges.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...e=domesticNews

affordable - LOL. I guess affordable for them since they're getting subsidies - not for those paying for them.

Wanna bet RECORD numbers will DROP (after they get their physical/procedures done).

[boutons_deux]

affordable - LOL. I guess affordable for them since they're getting subsidies - not for those paying for them.

Wanna bet RECORD numbers will DROP (after they get their physical/procedures done).

employer group insurance costs $16K+/year, SUBSIDIZED by taxpayers.

evidence of getting tested and treated then dropping out, so far?

[rmt]

employer group insurance costs $16K+/year, SUBSIDIZED by taxpayers.

evidence of getting test, treated then dropping out, so far?

boutons, it's a guess. 2017 hasn't even started yet. I'm sure there are stats on how many signed up starting Jan 2016 and how many dropped by June 2016.

[johnsmith]

Ask of January 1st, I will be paying just a hair under $1k a month for my family to be insured..... Obamacare....and super anyone that justifies is by bragging about all the people that are now insured and don't pay a thing because of subsidies.....you're spitting in the face of the middle class.

[CosmicCowboy]

Just got the bad news on my company health insurance renewal. Up 17%. That makes it about $170,000 a year to insure 12 families.

[CosmicCowboy]

employer group insurance costs $16K+/year, SUBSIDIZED by taxpayers.

evidence of getting test, treated then dropping out, so far?

Deductible doesn't mean subsidized you stupid .

[johnsmith]

Just got the bad news on my company health insurance renewal. Up 17%. That makes it about $170,000 a year to insure 12 families.

I know this doesn't help at all, but 17% isn't bad compared to a few companies I deal with.

Our insurer from last year wanted 146% so we went shopping and found 15% for an HSA and 19% for a PPO.

[Winehole23]

Insurance companies still control access, through pricing. Same old problem.

[boutons_deux]

Just got the bad news on my company health insurance renewal. Up 17%. That makes it about $170,000 a year to insure 12 families.

That's about right, compared to avg of $16K per family of four. how's that BigInsurance wealth-sucking ass taste?

[Th'Pusher]

That's about right, compared to avg of $16K per family of four. how the BigInsurance wealth-sucking ass taste?

Yeah. My employer and I pay $16k+ annually for my family.

[boutons_deux]

boutons, it's a guess.

rmt, you're conned fool, benighted by ideology and bull