He won it for the 2013-14 season.
As I recall from that time, it was a very real possibility. I think the Spurs were the default option for Tim, but for no other reason than he felt some connection with and loyalty to Pop. The big cloud over the Spurs was whether they could ever get past the Lakers who were so dominant at the time, and whether the Spurs could get enough pieces to realistically contend and get to the finals.
I know us fans were definitely terrified he was going to leave. IIRC, one of the factors that swayed Tim away from Orlando was that Doc Rivers did not allow or encourage wives/girlfriends to accompany players on road trips. Which turned out to be especially ironic given Tim's marital issues later...
Well I think porker should restructure his contract to West a little more $$$$$
Pop and RC dropping a big no.2 on the league.
Maybe the Spurs gave Porker an ultimatum. He either pony's up and give D-West a couple Mil to come to SA or they cut off his access to the AT&T Center cafeteria, tbh.
our front office is the reason why i ignore all the over the top skepticism of even our most informed posters on this forum. the FO achieves things so many think can or won't be done.
NICE!!
porky's contract will look better once the cap goes up...that's how the spurs keep their players on board and are able to convince them to take less early on in their careers
Bump..
They just have been terrible preparing for the post-TP/Manu days in the backcourt, tbh.. this team virtually getting nothing out of the draft/D-league scrap heap since 2013 that would have been developed into reliable rotational players in their spots is killing us big time...
Let's excuse the LMA signing, but doubling down on it with TOSB Pau instead of filling the play-making guard hole is flat out disgusting..
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Tim Duncan wasn't just the greatest power forward of all time, he was the greatest player of all time because he duped everyone into thinking the Spurs were the smartest organization in professional sports when in actuality, they just rode Duncan's coattails until the wheels came off.
The LMA and DWorst signings were the right moves, but ignoring the awful backcourt in a league where backcourts reign supreme was and still is re ed. They're so set on countering the Dubs that they've made themselves weaker overall and have severely limited their ability to improve for the next two-three years.
This is ridiculous. If someone had told me five years ago that the first post-Duncan season would be at a 60 win pace and second in the league, we'd have all been thrilled. Does anybody remember the "we're doomed when Timmy's done" vibe of 2009 or 2010? Pop and RC aren't perfect, but they haven't had a lottery pick in 20 years. They've done an amazing job of keeping this team compe ive. You can't replace ever piece instantly.
We have come full circle back to the Jefferson "dark ages", the only thing that going to turn around the franchise is Murray being the next Kawhi.
This season is literally 2011 Part II Electric Bugaloo. Since when has being a regular season paper tiger become synonymous with compe iveness here?
pop reminded me of larry brown tonight. and not in a good way.
patty should be starting. i'm giving murray more burn than parker, see what he has.
people can cite what the spurs record is but i'm not interested in the regular season championship.
Perhaps the calls they have made have been tilted in the wrong direction. They clearly paid Tony a ton assuming he wasn't going to decline steeply so quickly. They rely on Manu still for most of their playmaking, until turning that to Kawhi too this season, a great player for whom that is one of the few things he is not great at.
They kept drafting forwards and bigs (Bertans, Livio, Kyle, Milutinov, etc) in the first round to only now look at guards in 2016. Granted they had Cojo, but it was visible they weren't going to resign him. He was too good to be a 3rd string guard at 23-24 yrs of age when one knew his best seasons were still ahead of him. He was going to be gone.
It's really these past couple of off-seasons that I think they needed to start replenishing guard play... developing. Maybe even as soon as Cojo was unable to be resigned...
Just the direction they have gone in the past couple of seasons make one think they could have addressed other areas.... but FA depends on guys being available and willing to play for you, etc. However, the Spurs set their priorities.
Pretty much this..and they won't make it to the Warriors for a third consecutive post-season..Time for PATFO to look themselves in the mirror..The Pau signing in particular seemed like wink-wink deal way before FA unfolded..I agree with what Kawhitstorm said in the other thread: loyalty deals and headscratching TOSB signings are more the work of Pop than RC..Poop didn't bother with his age and the analytical lowdown on him from his Chicago tenure, but certainly loved his worldly company, Hi-iQ, coachability etc..
All true, however, who is to say they didn't try to improve guard play? Just because it didn't pan out, doesn't mean they didn't try. It was an obvious weakness last year, so I highly doubt they went into last summer thinking the PG position was a strength.
And I'm not talking about FA. I'm talking about potential trades for like Jeff Teague ( Boris/Mills could have worked but Hawks got a better offer from Indiana).
The Gasol signing was dumb from the get go. But hey, it was the best " talent" they cld afford even if the talent was old, dull and in the wrong areas ( not defensive talent).
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An insurance, minimum pay, veteran type PGs (Felton for example who came off a solid playoffs series) could been had instead of Forbes on the roster..Jeremy Lin (3 years/ $36M) wouldn't have been bad either instead of Gasol..They seemed -bent on singing Pau no matter; Marc Gasol stopped short of saying "My bro is going to SA, I guarantee" as early as June..He knew what's up.
Lin made little sense in FA, unless they traded Parker or Mills. No sense having Parker, Mills, Lin and Murray. IMO.
They should have traded Mills/Diaw for an upgrade at PG around the draft ( before FA) if they were going to improve the position. The thing is, they might have tried and whiffed ( we don't know).
But I think it made little sense in using majority or all the space for more compe ion at point guard when they had Parker and Mills already. Aldridge was the only big on the roster, they had to address it. I just wish they used the space differently than Gasol.
My wish for the offseason initially was to trade Diaw/Mills for Teague around the draft then use cap space to go after Harkless and a Plumlee type ( which they did in Dedmon), and nab Gibson off the Bulls when his value was at rock bottom ( Chicago was looking to get rid of him ).
Last edited by MaNu4Tres; 12-23-2016 at 01:19 PM.
You know, Bill, it's not just the loss last night - it's the way they looked doing it. The two starting bigs both look soft and almost disinterested at times. With Danny and Kawhi on the floor, they ought to be giving opposing backcourts holy .
I'll be honest - I'd rather watch a .500 team that plays with a lot of heart. For most of this season, this team just hasn't been very fun to watch. And I don't get a sense of huge motivation. I know people like to say that's on the players, and not Pop. But I don't remember seeing him get onto Pau or LMA the way he would with Tim. And if you say, "Well, Tim was special" then we've come full circle.
You clearly still have high expectations for this team. If everyone here really expected this to be a 40-win team, after losing Duncan, then they probably wouldn't be disappointed right now.
It always comes back to Porker & his ty contract which is by far the worst on any of the top 10 teams in the league. Pau can at least be a decent backup but Porker is completely TOSB at a position where you can't have a TOSB player.
There were talks of the Raptors wanting Taj but the Bulls demanded Patterson & a 1st rd pick. I really doubt they were JUST trying to salary dump Taj. We're talking about the same Bulls that held off trading Pau/Noah b/c they overvalue their assets & would rather be a .500 team than rebuilding.My wish for the offseason initially was to trade Diaw/Mills for Teague around the draft then use cap space to go after Harkless and a Plumlee type ( which they did in Dedmon), and nab Gibson off the Bulls when his value was at rock bottom ( Chicago was looking to get rid of him ).
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