George Hill looking good so far vs. Western Conference PGs

[Kawhitstorm]

It really doesn't help to be so disingenuous.

Hill's a JAG. There's no point in using cap space on JAGs. They need a bona fide third scorer rather than a caretaker.

Before this season:

This season:

[SAGirl]

Thinking at least $100M/5. That would be getting off cheap for them. Dude could easily get what Conley got.

In that case they would need to restructure the roster.. by loosening up a big ticket player... Gasol for example... hmmm definitely I am not good at these things. GM SAGirl not very good TBH. Thinking about that... /sigh Spurs are standing pat with Tony I think.

[Kawhitstorm]

Thinking at least $100M/5. That would be getting off cheap for them. Dude could easily get what Conley got.

He should b/c he's as good as Conley rather than a JAG.

[Chinook]

Yeah, and you didn't think this was going to happen either. You proposed him for $12 Million a year, when he's going to get twice that. There's no question the guy is going bonkers right now, in many respects playing twice as well as he has for his whole career. We'll see if it's Hill or just an aberration.

Anyway, you keep being disingenuous as , not posting the actual quotes so people can look at the conversation if they wish. http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=263714

You thought the same thing I did, but you considered him a cheap pick-up who knew the system, even though he doesn't know the system. Acting like you saw this explosion is just lame.

[Chinook]

He should b/c he's as good as Conley rather than a JAG.

You thought he was a JAG too.

[Chinook]

In that case they would need to restructure the roster.. by loosening up a big ticket player... Gasol for example... hmmm definitely I am not good at these things. GM SAGirl not very good TBH. Thinking about that... /sigh Spurs are standing pat with Tony I think.

They could potentially afford him near that price without moving more than one of Gasol or Parker. Could probably even keep Dedmon. But I'd rather CP3 or Lowry if I am moving guys for cap space.

[Kawhitstorm]

You thought he was a JAG too.

Which was why I pointed this out last season in the Danny trade proposal poAs........riiiiiiiiighttttttt:http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...=1#post8401943

[Mnky]

Everyone has always like George hill. That's why everyone was questioning whether the trade for kawhi was worth it, even though he was supposed to be a lottery talent.

Nothing new here. Props to Hill for balling. Always had him on my fantasy team, another healthy, he's doing good work for me tbh.

[Chinook]

Which was why I pointed this out last season in the Danny trade proposal poAs........riiiiiiiiighttttttt:http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...=1#post8401943

Yeah, most people don't use the word "solid" when talking about stars. Again, you wanted him for a deal only a bit over the league average (next year) and used his time with the team as the main reason for signing him. Nothing about him being a great player. You just thought he'd be a base hit, an upgrade over a net negative. , you even tried to sell Ian as the bigger piece to the trade.

[Kawhitstorm]

Yeah, most people don't use the word "solid" when talking about stars. Again, you wanted him for a deal only a bit over the league average (next year) and used his time with the team as the main reason for signing him. Nothing about him being a great player. You just thought he'd be a base hit, an upgrade over a net negative. , you even tried to sell Ian as the bigger piece to the trade.

Damn, you're so butt-hurt about being SOooooooooooo WRONG about G.Hill.

[Chinook]

Damn, you're so butt hurt that you were SOooooooooooo WRONG about G.Hill.

Butt hurt would be constantly bumping threads about him. I've gone through most of the year not knowing anything about him outside of your posts. Had no idea he had been injured until a couple of days ago.

Again, you have these stretches where you just turn lame for some reason. You and I had pretty much the same evaluation on Hill. I wanted the Spurs to go for bigger fish this off-season, while you wanted to pick him up on the cheap. Neither of us were talking about him as the max player he seems like he's going to be.

[SAGirl]

They could potentially afford him near that price without moving more than one of Gasol or Parker. Could probably even keep Dedmon. But I'd rather CP3 or Lowry if I am moving guys for cap space.

The problem is that it doesn't make sense to pay a big ticket for a PG while Tony is in the team with a big salary. I thought the same with the Conley rumors last offseason.

I am about to give up on ideas like these. They are nice to consider but Tony isn't getting traded... I am reaching the point Harlem preaches: acceptance and moving on.

Some fans I guess rather hope some youngster grows up like Dijon. There are issues with whether Mills is even re-upped and I think he's going to, though Forbes is looking like a scorer in the dleague. He's currently their leading scorer and is shooting over 50% on 3s.

Spurs are becoming super top heavy, which when Manu retires is going to have to be the case anyways. I can't foresee the offseason.. a lot depends on guys picking up their options or not, performance in the playoffs, and potential upgrades. I doubt CP3, Lowry and Hill are options anyways and maybe Mills is the best they can do. So many unknowns. They likely need upgrades again with Manu retiring though.

On the watchlist: development for the youngsters.

[SAGirl]

Kudos to Kawhitstorm though... He did have Hill as a potential target way back then when the Pacers were shopping him and he didn't look like much at the time.. a buy low opportunity.

Sigh... since I haven't given up on Kyle.. maybe some team can buy low on him. Dude is getting wasted in the Spurs... though I am sure GSH would argue the guy to buy low on is Davis Bertans... anyways... there are so many guys in the league that get underplayed or underused bc they are not in the right situation and that was the case for Hill. Jazz are likely now going to want him.
The guy to buy low on is going to be their "presumed bust" who is just 21 in Exum.

[Kawhitstorm]

Again, you have these stretches where you just turn lame for some reason.

I just enjoy mocking arrogant folks who anoint themselves as experts & don't think they are ever wrong about anything.

You and I had pretty much the same evaluation on Hill. I wanted the Spurs to go for bigger fish this off-season, while you wanted to pick him up on the cheap. Neither of us were talking about him as the max player he seems like he's going to be.

Yeah. referring to a player's POINT-GUARD skills as "solid" means they are JAGs. Lillard/Kyrie are scorers w/ SOLID point guard skills, that's basically what Hill is which is why I consider him a combo-guard. (Of course, he isn't as good a 1-on-1 scorer as Lillard/Kyrie but nor is Conley)

[Snaq O'Meal]

Everyone has always like George hill. That's why everyone was questioning whether the trade for kawhi was worth it, even though he was supposed to be a lottery talent.

Nothing new here. Props to Hill for balling. Always had him on my fantasy team, another healthy, he's doing good work for me tbh.

I think some people were concerned that the wrong point guard was traded for Kawhi.

[Kawhitstorm]

Spurs are becoming super top heavy, which when Manu retires is going to have to be the case anyways. I can't foresee the offseason.. a lot depends on guys picking up their options or not, performance in the playoffs, and potential upgrades. I doubt CP3, Lowry and Hill are options anyways and maybe Mills is the best they can do. So many unknowns. They likely need upgrades again with Manu retiring though.

One young intriguing player that's rumored to be on the trading blocks is Elfrid Payton who PATFO could probably land by offering nothing more than Patty. The Magic's GM is trying to save his job by making the playoffs so they are mortgaging off their young players for vets.

**Patty/Kyle for Payton/Hezonja works salary wise: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jv7adov**

Payton reminds me of a young Devin Harris who busted Porker's ass in 2006 & although he's a very shaky shooter, his shot doesn't look broken like Rondo's which is why I believe Chip could fix it.

[SAGirl]

One young intriguing player that's rumored to be on the trading blocks is Elfrid Payton who PATFO could probably land by offering nothing more than Patty. The Magic's GM is trying to save his job by making the playoffs so they are mortgaging off their young players for vets.

Payton reminds me of a young Devin Harris who busted Porker's ass in 2006 & although he's a very shaky shooter, his shot doesn't look broken like Rondo's which is why I believe Chip could fix it.

How does he compare with Dijon though? Dijon is younger... just as shaky of a scorer/shooter... Payton is a real NBA player though, Dijon still has to show that, let's star there. He may be 2 years away from where Payton is unless he makes massive leaps all around.

[Kawhitstorm]

How does he compare with Dijon though? Dijon is younger... just as shaky of a scorer/shooter... Payton is a real NBA player though, Dijon still has to show that, let's star there. He may be 2 years away from where Payton is unless he makes massive leaps all around.

Payton is a true point guard rather than a combo-guard like Murray The best comparison for Payton as far as current starters is Rondo when he's actually looking to score & competing on defense as he did against the Spurs in Chicago:

[Holden_Caulfield]

time to bring out my spurs george hill jersey

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I like how every time someone suggests trading for a bad shooter they draw the Chip-will-fix-anything card.

[objective]

Going to be a rough off season. If Pau opts in, they're done. Forget George Hill, can't get the caproom. Won't want to stomach matching a huge deal for Simmons that a team like the Nets would sign him to. Parker and Pau filling the cap. Dedmon leaving. And then the bad news: wait another year to get Pau and Parker off the books, but then Aldridge and Green opt out and their cap holds wipe out the savings. Especially if they ended up keeping Mills, no more money.

Best case is Pau opts out and Parker gets stretched. One can dream.

[MaNu4Tres]

Going to be a rough off season. If Pau opts in, they're done. Forget George Hill, can't get the caproom. Won't want to stomach matching a huge deal for Simmons that a team like the Nets would sign him to. Parker and Pau filling the cap. Dedmon leaving. And then the bad news: wait another year to get Pau and Parker off the books, but then Aldridge and Green opt out and their cap holds wipe out the savings. Especially if they ended up keeping Mills, no more money.

Best case is Pau opts out and Parker gets stretched. One can dream.

Best case, Pau opts out, Parker is stretched or Patty is let go and Murray becomes who Pop thinks he can be quickly ***

[eric365]

Best case, Pau opts out, Parker is stretched or Patty is let go and Murray becomes who Pop thinks he can be quickly ***

Parker's contract can't be stretched. There is no player/team option at all in his contract
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/san_antonio_spurs/

Or do you know some miraculous way?

I'd take Hill and let go Mills. Hill would be a great starter and Parker will be more efficient off the bench against weaker opposition and a system for him

[100%duncan]

If Pau opts out its because this season turned so disastrous and if he opts in its just as likely we didnt win the chip and we are ed in the future. Lose-lose, this signing.

[objective]

Parker's contract can't be stretched. There is no player/team option at all in his contract
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/san_antonio_spurs/

Or do you know some miraculous way?

I'd take Hill and let go Mills. Hill would be a great starter and Parker will be more efficient off the bench against weaker opposition and a system for him

He can be waived and stretched.