Russians claim to have dirt on Trump

[baseline bum]

We can't take away from the first amendment, but what we can do is have a law passed that for every story reported wrong, and equal amount of time, money, and the same viewing window be used to retract the story.

If a station spent 2 hrs in a week reporting a story that ends up being false, and the next week has to spend two hours retracting it... How many times might CNN et. al. report false stories, until they fact check better?

LOL Rush's show then.

[Spurminator]

Good take from Taibbi.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...-point-w460806

Have we ever been less sure about the truth of an urgent news story?

Three days into the "Russian dossier" scandal, which history will remember by a far more colorful name, we still have no clue what we're dealing with. We're either learning the outlines of the most extraordinary compromise to date of an incoming American president by a foreign power, or we're watching an unparalleled libel and media overreach.

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Meanwhile, Ynet in Israel is reporting that Israeli intelligence officials are deciding not to share intelligence with the incoming Trump administration. The report indicates they came to this conclusion after a recent meeting with American intelligence officials, who told them the Russians have "leverages of pressure" to use against Trump.This is an extraordinary story. If our intelligence community really believes this, then playtime is over.

No more Clapper-style hedging or waffling. If Israel gets to hear why they think Trump is compromised, how is the American public not also so en led?

But if all they have are unverifiable rumors, they can't do this, not even to Donald Trump.

The only solution is an immediate unveiling of all the facts and an urgent public investigation. A half-assed whispering campaign a week and a half from a Trump presidency, with BuzzFeed at the center of the action, isn't going to cut it. We need to know what the likes of Clapper and Comey know, and we need it all now, before it's too late.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Good take from Taibbi.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...-point-w460806

Interesting bit from the Ynet article. The NSA was the one intelligence agency with the least amount of confidence in it being the Russians doing the hacking. Sounds like these US officials are still just trying to delegitimize Trump before he takes office.

"During the meeting, according to the Israelis who participated in it, their American colleagues voiced despair over Trump’s election, as he often lashes out at the American intelligence community. The American officials also told the Israelis that the National Security Agency (NSA) had “highly credible information” that Russia’s intelligence agencies, the FSB and GRU, were responsible for hacking the Democratic Party (DNC) servers during the elections and leaking sensitive information to WikiLeaks"

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...906642,00.html

[TheSanityAnnex]

And no Taibbi, Ynet is not reporting that Israeli intelligence officials are deciding not to share intelligence with the incoming Trump administration, nice try though.


"According to the Israelis who were present in the meeting, the Americans recommended that until it is made clear that Trump is not inappropriately connected to Russia and is not being extorted – Israel should avoid revealing sensitive sources to administration officials for fear the information would reach the Iranians."

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...906642,00.html

[SnakeBoy]

LOL Rush's show then.

That's not a news show. I don't have a problem with opinion/entertainment shows saying whatever they please. Perhaps a solution is that these shows have to run a disclaimer stating that the information presented is for entertainment purposes only. On the flip side we could have journalistic standards which "news" show have to meet in order to be designated a journalism show.

[rasuo214]

We can't take away from the first amendment, but what we can do is have a law passed that for every story reported wrong, and equal amount of time, money, and the same viewing window be used to retract the story.

If a station spent 2 hrs in a week reporting a story that ends up being false, and the next week has to spend two hours retracting it... How many times might CNN et. al. report false stories, until they fact check better?

Honestly there doesn't need to be a law to punish them because their punishment is that they will lose credibility. CNN's ratings have been tanking so they either adjust or continue to suffer. If you're going to make a change the best thing to do is to make it easier for other media outlets to compete with the old time entrenched media.

[pgardn]

Yes the agent's 35 page dossier was so filled with other important stuff that the intelligence community condensed it down to a two page summary

You have utterly no idea what I am saying bozo.

[pgardn]

Line drive over the Short Stop's head...

What, what?

[pgardn]

They CIA can always fall back on this.

The decision to inform Trump and Obama of this as opposed to hundreds other " we have learned " . If the CIA says they took this apparently singly British origin stuff and stamped it important why?

Did this agent give a whole lot of other stuff that turned out to be valid in the same report or what? They really can go further without compromising security I would think. The CIA needs to start following Insanity Index and giving his reports to all important government employees.

They are on the level of resident pizza guy?

Read pizza man.
Read.

[pgardn]

Now this is more to the point.

The CIA made a decision to inform the sitting president and the president elect about this.
This is what is legit, not all the peeing. There needs to eventually be an explanation on why. How did they decide this was worthwhile? This is what I wrote about early on. We realize the CIA can't tell us everything, but this as it stands now is bizzare.

Read Pizza guy.
Read.

[DMC]

That's not a news show. I don't have a problem with opinion/entertainment shows saying whatever they please. Perhaps a solution is that these shows have to run a disclaimer stating that the information presented is for entertainment purposes only. On the flip side we could have journalistic standards which "news" show have to meet in order to be designated a journalism show.

Nah, no disclaimers for the stupid. Let's not get into group lock step with the slowest among us. If they fall for the , that's them.

[DMX7]

I truly believe there is major dirt out there. He puts himself in compromising positions all the time with his behavior. It would make perfect sense if they have something.

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I truly believe there is major dirt out there. He puts himself in compromising positions all the time with his behavior. It would make perfect sense if they have something.

They're hunting day & nite that is for certain. I just hope it ain't out there and/or they do not find it.

[spurraider21]

That's it? An uneditable headline that I retracted less than 5 minutes after posting? lol ok, you nailed me Pizza Dude

people say this, yet i've always been able to edit thread les for a short period of time after starting the thread. go to the forum home and double click the grey area adjacent to the thread le

[spurraider21]

[Winehole23]

Allegations that Trump watched pros utes ‘defile’ a hotel room, which have shocked America, were dismissed as ‘basically vanilla’ by cynical Brits who demand far deeper sexual depravities from leaders.



Roy Hobbs of Glossop said: “So he just watched them? That’s local councillor level over here.



“When you’ve been through the Cameron pig allegations and watched the Thatcher cabinet orgy films on YouTube then this Trump stuff’s charmingly wholesome.”

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/i...20170111120020

[Spurminator]

people say this, yet i've always been able to edit thread les for a short period of time after starting the thread. go to the forum home and double click the grey area adjacent to the thread le

Didn't know that, thanks.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Good take from Taibbi.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...-point-w460806

what was his good take in your opinion?

[boutons_deux]

#GoldenGate

Coal Bert is romping with this story, as hilarious as Trash is fraudulent

[Spurminator]

what was his good take in your opinion?

I basically quoted it. Grasping at straws and leaking rumors because of confirmation bias (or other worse motives) with regard to Trump/Russia amounts to crying wolf and numbs the population (particularly his supporters) into apathy and distrust. If there really is concern about any ties, or any reason he could be compromised/blackmailed, the public deserves an full and independent review.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I basically quoted it. Grasping at straws and leaking rumors because of confirmation bias (or other worse motives) with regard to Trump/Russia amounts to crying wolf and numbs the population (particularly his supporters) into apathy and distrust. If there really is concern about any ties, or any reason he could be compromised/blackmailed, the public deserves an full and independent review.

Yeah I agree with him there. A little ironic in the same article that he then misrepresents the Ynet article and says Israel decided to not share information with the Trump administration. The Ynet article says nothing of the sort. An intersting snip from that same article was the quote from the US official on the NSA's findings. Complete opposite of what was said by the NSA's last response in the latest report.

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And it turns out it was Bush who hired this British operative and sicked him on Trump. After Trump disposed of Jeb, Clinton hired the guy. ing incredible. Bush,Clinton,Bush,Obama,Clinton on & on. Mother ers are taking turns raping this country with impunity.

And they will not tolerate an outsider like Trump. Absolutely not.

Trump will be lucky to see the New Year.

[SnakeBoy]

Trump may or may not end up being a terrible POTUS but he ended the Bush's and Clintons grip on power. Obama should present him with the Medal of Freedom at the inauguration just for that.

[boutons_deux]

he ended the Bush's and Clintons grip on power.

goddam, you're stupid.

extreme right wing ESTABLISHMENT Repugs have all the POWER, and Trash will sign every piece of their socuopathic

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Trump may or may not end up being a terrible POTUS but he ended the Bush's and Clintons grip on power. Obama should present him with the Medal of Freedom at the inauguration just for that.

He was in on it! part of the Bush/Clinton chain...Made a deal with her in '08 with the promise that he'd take her to it in '16 if she backed off. She countered by agreeing with the caveat that she'd be SofS with a direct line into him, no buffer. They both signed. Together they pulled Sander's pants down as she readied to reenter the WH.

When Trump survived Jeb and the other 1 percenters, she took the British operative that Jeb had been paying and put him back to work.

All bloodless coups have been tried. Only the blood one remains.