After Pop's Political Rants, I'm Done With Spurs

[Trainwreck2100]

About what?

Did he or did he not lie to the American people?

[Blue-Lightning]

Pop's words verbatim "I hope he succeeds"

And I hope Pop ceases to cross other lines that are too extreme. I'd much rather he be reasonable as in this quote.

[LoneStarState'sPride]

Or Pop could just say what the he wants. LOL conservatives who cry over PC acting like they have the right to not have people offend them.

Meh, I just think it's silly for celebs to jump into the political lecturing ring, because inevitably you'll end up pissing off half of your supporters. I prefer the way Bill Belichick shuts down that line of questioning instead of playing around with it--he's not paid to be a political pundit.

And from what I understand, I'd probably agree with Bill's politics. Ijs.

[baseline bum]

Dude he did not say that. He said that he was so rich that Women would just let him grab their pussies IF he wanted to. IF IF IF. He NEVER said he did that. It was just a very vulgar way of saying women just throw themselves at him. Which I wouldn't be surprise, b/c the guy is extremely wealthy. Trump even admitted he was having an affair to the press back in the 90's, divorce Ivanka, and married Marla. Trump's life has been an open book for 30 years. That is why NOT ONE SINGLE woman that accused him of assaulting him recently is going to court b/c he threatened to sue and they know they are lying. Trump probably gets off more to closing deals than actually having sex.

"Yeah that's her with the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know I'm automatically attracted to beautiful... I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything."

[ElNono]

America's success as a country is also not inexorably linked to Trump's victories while in the White House. He could "fail", as in not getting a large percentage of his proposals passed and the country still does well in spite of that. He could fail and the country's economy bombs. He could succeed with his bill passages and the country's economy/infrastructure could fall apart. All of those are possible. Wishing Trump to fail in enacting legislation that aids in the discrimination of other people, the destruction of the planet, or furthers the gap between the rich and middle class/poor is not being unpatriotic and it's not wishing for the United States to fail.

I'm not talking winners or losers. There's always that in power, tbh... with every government. Also, how everyone deems 'success' is fairly personal in a lot of ways.

Overall though, when the country was doing generally well, there was a lot more consensus and a lot less wedging. I personally think that's palpable in society.

As the unique Dave Chappelle said in his SNL monologue not that long ago, I'm going to give the guy a chance, hope he does well, and then time will speak for itself.

[Blue-Lightning]

There's nothing to "clarify". Just like there's nothing to "clarify" when the KKK speaks their mind, or anarchists or Madonna or Trump when he was a birther or anybody else. The right to speak our minds is possibly the strongest foundation of our freedoms.

There's social scorn, media/public condemnation, etc, but that's the extent of it. If that's not enough for you, and want to remove your support for the team, I don't think Pop loses sleep (nor does Holt) about a Tennessee fan turning his back over political views.

Actually "having" (aka forcing) somebody to go out there and say something they don't actually believe in under duress is pretty close to fascism, if not outright fascism.

These kind of fascist "solutions" stick out like a sore thumb every time, tbh... it's like a guy that goes "you gotta kill all those ing ******s", he's a racist piece of , he's basically self-denouncing his racism. Just like those civil libertarian on the other end of the spectrum that go like "well, that kid that killed, chopped off his grandparents and then ate them, well... the poor kid didn't really have an education... His dad beat him up, so you gotta consider that". That guy is a ing idiot too.





That makes conservatives, at most, powerful. No right, not wrong, not morally superior or inferior. Not even popular. One could correctly make the counter-argument that the vast majority of the actual voting population is non-conservative. And those people too have the same caveats.

Pop is completely right on one thing though: The hope he does well. All of them. You might not trust the guy (or guys), and disagree and whatever, but if it works out for America as a whole, regardless if you're team red or blue, then THAT's the ultimate you. So all this knee jerking right now, from both sides, is just that. Proof will be in the pudding, as they say.

The only thing I disagree with you about is that I hope Pop does respect the office of the presidency, and I hope he clarifies as such. I don't need Pop to state beliefs he cannot support, but if he makes an argument about disrespecting the office then I can't abide by it whether it hurts the Spurs or not.

[alpha_HaZE]

Let's be honest, one way or another you are coming to ST back buddy or you are not leaving at all. So good grief.

Regarding Trump, I don't think that bombing Schools and Hospitals and weddings is OK, not for ANY reason.

[Blue-Lightning]

"Trump can't be bought."



You stupid

Putin and his kleptocrats bought him, own him, compromised him, like a puppet on a string. i'm sure Putin has hours of Trash in Moscow with s and coke.

Nice fact-less conspiracy theory.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Or Pop could just say what the he wants. LOL conservatives who cry over PC acting like they have the right to not have people offend them.

Pop can say whatever he wants. But there is a TIME AND PLACE to do just that. I seriously think Pop is losing his mind really. I don't remember him saying one bad thing about Bush and he was worse than Trump, killing 100s of thousands of people on his orders. Him saying winning another championship is not his priority but society was, that says it all. Dude, go be an activist, I don't care. But right now, his priority should be winning les as he is a HEAD COACH of an NBA team.

[Blue-Lightning]

Did he or did he not lie to the American people?

I don't know. Unless you give me some sort of clue as to what statements you're referring, I have no idea.

[LoneStarState'sPride]

Anybody that knows the Holts and how the Spurs operate as a family, wouldn't even have such expectation. There's plenty of regular households with varying political views, nobody is getting kicked out of the house (or shouldn't be) for holding an opposing view.

That's the problem with the political discourse in general today--there is no actual discourse. People want to ensconce themselves in their own little blue or red echo chambers and anyone who opposes them in the slightest is LITERALLY THE DEVIL OMFG. It's stupid.

Too many people treat politics like a sports rivalry. Defend your side at all costs, and the other side is never right about anything under any cir stances. It's like Spurs/mavs or something. Insanity

[baseline bum]

Meh, I just think it's silly for celebs to jump into the political lecturing ring, because inevitably you'll end up pissing off half of your supporters. I prefer the way Bill Belichick shuts down that line of questioning instead of playing around with it--he's not paid to be a political pundit.

And from what I understand, I'd probably agree with Bill's politics. Ijs.

I don't understand why conservatives think people should shut up about their political views. I thought free political debate is one of the cornerstones this country was supposed to have been built on. Should Pop act like he's in Nazi Germany or Cuba where you have to keep your beliefs to yourself?

[baseline bum]

That's the problem with the political discourse in general today--there is no actual discourse. People want to ensconce themselves in their own little blue or red echo chambers and anyone who opposes them in the slightest is LITERALLY THE DEVIL OMFG. It's stupid.

But that's pretty much what Trump ran on with the way he demonized the media for reporting on him.

[Brazil]

A trump supporter not fan of Parker... why am I not surprised

[Blue-Lightning]

I don't understand why conservatives think people should shut up about their political views. I thought free political debate is one of the cornerstones this country was supposed to have been built on. Should Pop act like he's in Nazi Germany or Cuba where you have to keep your beliefs to yourself?

I don't know of anybody who has people should shut up except for the people throwing expletives at me. You're beating a strawman if you think conservatives are saying to stop discourse.

[Cry Havoc]

I don't understand why conservatives think people should shut up about their political views. I thought free political debate is one of the cornerstones this country was supposed to have been built on. Should Pop act like he's in Nazi Germany or Cuba where you have to keep your beliefs to yourself?

You see, it's only a problem when it's a celebrity who opposes their views. That's what rustles their jimmies. Not the first amendment. No, no, no, never that.

[baseline bum]

Pop can say whatever he wants. But there is a TIME AND PLACE to do just that. I seriously think Pop is losing his mind really. I don't remember him saying one bad thing about Bush and he was worse than Trump, killing 100s of thousands of people on his orders. Him saying winning another is not his priority but society was, that says it all. Dude, go be an activist, I don't care. But right now, his priority should be winning les as he is a HEAD COACH of an NBA team.

Why? Was he diagramming a march down SW Military in a timeout last night or something?

[Trainwreck2100]

I don't know. Unless you give me some sort of clue as to what statements you're referring, I have no idea.

so you don't know whether or not Trump has lied, then how do you know that Pop is incorrect when he says "you can't trust a word out of his mouth"

[LoneStarState'sPride]

I don't understand why conservatives think people should shut up about their political views. I thought free political debate is one of the cornerstones this country was supposed to have been built on. Should Pop act like he's in Nazi Germany or Cuba where you have to keep your beliefs to yourself?

Pop can do whatever he wants. I'm saying it's not really business savvy in the business he's in--entertaining people, a large portion of whom will inevitably lean the opposite political direction. I never said people have to shut up about their political views. Pop is just in a position now where he has the professional capital to burn, thanks to his success.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

"Yeah that's her with the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know I'm automatically attracted to beautiful... I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything."

And yet not one single video of him doing this despite the 1,000s of balls and parties he has attended over the pat 30 years. He just in tellin it like it is. Trump is a one woman man. When he was having an affair with Marla Maples, he wasn't even having sex with Ivanka. And in court, it was brought out that she use to hit him and throw silverware and plates at him b/c he never spent any time with her. The woman was bonkers.

Dude, most guys talk like this. I have seen ugly guys, dorks, nerds, etc. say worse. Most guys are just primitive animals when curbing their primal urges. Until Trump starts ordering pros utes in the White House and getting head in the Oval Office, I don't think ANYONE who supported Bill Clinton has right to say a damn thing about him. Bunch of in Hypocrites, actually than hypocrites.

[LoneStarState'sPride]

But that's pretty much what Trump ran on with the way he demonized the media for reporting on him.

He had a problem with the media misrepresenting him (in his eyes). He never said to halt the political discourse. Big difference there.

[baseline bum]

I don't know of anybody who has people should shut up except for the people throwing expletives at me. You're beating a strawman if you think conservatives are saying to stop discourse.

Conservatives in this thread are absolutely trying to stop discourse when they say people in the public eye should be ashamed to engage in it. Same crybaby crap happened here a few years ago when Pop said it was re ed to not have a public option in the ACA. Same thing happened when Manu said he was an atheist.

[ElNono]

The only thing I disagree with you about is that I hope Pop does respect the office of the presidency, and I hope he clarifies as such. I don't need Pop to state beliefs he cannot support, but if he makes an argument about disrespecting the office then I can't abide by it whether it hurts the Spurs or not.

You can't force somebody to respect anything. Period. You might lament it, publicly scorn him about it, jump in the segment of the media bandwagon that finds the comments disgusting, ignore it, but that's about it.

Respect is earned. He has his doubt that POTUS is fit to command the office he holds. That's his view, he wanted to express them. He also thinks Tony Parker should start... he's wrong sometimes... we just publicly scorn him and move on, tbh.

[ElNono]

That's the problem with the political discourse in general today--there is no actual discourse. People want to ensconce themselves in their own little blue or red echo chambers and anyone who opposes them in the slightest is LITERALLY THE DEVIL OMFG. It's stupid.

Too many people treat politics like a sports rivalry. Defend your side at all costs, and the other side is never right about anything under any cir stances. It's like Spurs/mavs or something. Insanity

Pretty much. I didn't grow up in this country, so this whole red-blue rah rah is pretty amusing, tbh...

[LoneStarState'sPride]

And yet not one single video of him doing this despite the 1,000s of balls and parties he has attended over the pat 30 years. He just in tellin it like it is.

The man has lived his life in the public eye for decades, but only magically became the worst racist/sexist/xenophobe/bigot in the world as soon as he put an "R" next to his name. It's a little silly.