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Of course this guy is not starter readybut he is ready as a back up on any team in this league
Since drafting him, I said his first step is elite even for the NBA level.
Of course this guy is not starter ready
It definitely is.
I didn't see the game so I don't know how he got his two turnovers in 20 minutes, but I will say that I've seen him get his pocket picked four times in the last few games. I can't remember the last time I've seen Tony get his pocket picked. He has to clean up his dribbling against pressure so he doesn't turn into Beno circa 2005 vs. Pistons in the playoffs.
Thank you for placing a few facts (respective points scored) on the table to shed some light on those 2003 finals. I would, however, like to add my two cents' worth to your discussion with GSH.
Perhaps there is a difference between experience and development . To my eyes (and recollection) Tony was experienced, but his game (particularly in the context of the NBA) was not particularly well developed. He was the fastest player getting to the basket off the dribble that I had seen up to that time. But he really only drove for layups. He had yet to develop the array of teardrops, floaters and sneaky interior moves that he employed in his prime. But on the 2002-03 Spurs, his primary responsibility was to pass the ball to Timmy in the post.
Murray, while not as fast as young Tony, has a stride to compensate. He already shows court vision that exceeds the young TP, and his overall athleticism allows him to rebound and play defense at a higher level. Let us not forget a 3-ball that Murray is developing at a much faster pace.
My take in comparing Tony and Dijon at similar ages is this: Tony undeniably had much more experience than Murray. But international experience twenty years ago was not the same as it is today, and I doubt that Tony's development correlates strongly to his experience. The dynamic player that Tony became in his prime was due more to the experience and development he got once he arrived in San Antonio. By contrast, due to a number of factors (including advancement of NCAA hoops over the last 20 years, development of the D-league, improved coaching [Chip?], and his own dedication), Murray's development seems to me to be more advanced than Tony's at a similar stage of NBA experience.
I don't think that Murray is better than Tony was when he came in, but rookie Tony and rookie Murray are different players. Tony was damn near unstoppable in the open court in his youth, even better than Murray, but he couldn't shoot to save his life (or the Spurs' playoff hopes his rookie year). I think it's hard to compare them. But the situations for both players are fairly different. Tony, as a rookie, only had Antonio Daniels, a career journeyman that had a few good years with the Spurs, but was by no means a veteran with championship experience. In fact, AD was always more of an athlete (he was an elite athlete) rather than a skilled point guard. The only other option was an ancient, ancient Terry Porter. But Murray has Parker, at 34, still a serviceable starting point guard with championship experience and an intricate knowledge of both Pop's offense and defensive schemes. Then, there is Mills, though a flawed "point guard" he is a great shooter with a specific role on a team that needs his 3 point shooting desperately. Both Parker and Mills make it easy for Pop play Murray here and there during the regular season and give him reps in the D-League with the plan that he will be a player for them in the future. If AD and Terry Porter at their ages were on the roster, Murray might be starting right now too.
tony is out again tonight. more PT for murray
2002 Tony and Pau all star rookies
Lol the frosted haircut
2002 Tony and Pau all star rookies
lol @ Rebraca in the pic. I had completely forgotten he even existed. Good find
2002 Tony and Pau all star rookies
Doubt it
I agree. I don't blame Pop for testing him out at the 2, but he's clearly a PG.
wanna see Murray blow by his man at the top of the key, get to the rim and FINISH. Dunk tf out of it.
It'd be refreshing to see that from a Spurs PG. I've seen the college highlights, I know he can do it.
Was wondering who that last guy was.lol @ Rebraca in the pic. I had completely forgotten he even existed. Good find
Pau had guns back then.
2002 Tony and Pau all star rookies
Yeah if anything Murray and Mills need more time on the floor together since their game compliments each other.
You don't think so? Mills is more of a 2 and Murray needs the ball in his hands so I think it would work. Pop has played them together before but that was only during garbage time. We'll see but I think they could work well together.
If you meant defensively they wouldn't work I can see that being an issue since Murray would possibly struggle defending wings but I like what I've seen so far when he gets in a switch and mismatch in the post. He'll at least fight and front
I mentioned this above- I think long term this is intriguing and probably has the Spurs thinking. Mills is a FA but the Spurs have his Bird rights. He clearly does better as 2 (or maybe a 1.5?)
Manu is probably gone next year..
Forbes (hasn't shown anything yet) is too small to be a 2 so would also work out. Having a long player playing "point" allows you to use players who others may not utilize- such as undersized shooting guards
Mills is gone due to Murrays play tbh
I can see them keeping both. Especially since Parker's health will be a question and Ginobili is gone. Murray and Mills complement each other's skill sets.
Indeed. House is a midget SG and needs a PG-type player alongside him so he can move off ball.
The only people who think otherwise are those with a hate-boner for Tony, thinking/hoping Murray will somehow win the starting position with House as his backup. Or vice-versa.
11pts, some good rebounding, and a huge bucket in the clutch. Have a feeling he may have one of these
before we know it
Murray's play late in the game was definitely good for a rookie. That one shot he hit was clutch, and he wasn't the least bit afraid of being the one to take it. He's in at the end on defense.
I don't think he's up to being a starter-level NBA PG. But I really am starting to think he's being groomed for it.
Of course you don't think Murray is as good parker was when he came in, because that would mean you have to own up to being wrong. And you're way to prideful to do that.
Keep trying. We all know parker walks on water to you. But may is a better distributor, defender, and rebounder than parker right now.
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