Zach Lowe:" I am not sure Kawhi isn't the MVP of the whole league" "should be #1...

[PopTheGOAT]

Yes, he was better than kawhi last year when he had all those things. And kawhi is having a down defensive year. Kawhi in the last two years is better than kawhi this year on defense. Kawhi is a better offensive player this year though. Overall he's better I think but its not that different.

KD has played good defense this year, I'm not blind. But don't forget GS made curry look like a good defender too. They play good team defense. He's not nearly as good of an individual defender as Kawhi. It's not a debate. He's a better offensive player than Kawhi, but he's given up his chance at an MVP by going to GS.

[GSH]

Because yesterday's "Kawhi is the real MVP" thread was worn out. Must start a new one daily.

Westchimp "but..but triple doubles"
Har_en "but..but...but the beard"

KAWHI is the MOST VALUABLE PLAYER

Carrying this team when it seems like everyone is slumping AND clamping down on defense.

Media just needs to "Get over themselves"

[rasuo214]

I guess it depends on his source. On NBA.com Kawhi's DRating is lower but on BBref Kawhi is among the best on the team (only behind Dedmon and Anderson).

According to NBA.com DRating Patty is a good defender, not so much on BBref.

[mywastedlife900]

cute regular season player tbh

Were talking about NBA champion Kawhi Leonard....Not Cam Newton.

[mywastedlife900]

Saying Durant is a great defender and is a better player than kawhi would not be a controversial opinion in any NBA circle except here.

Were talking MVP. Durant has the reigning MVP on his team. End of discussion.

[NameLess Scrub]

I firmly believe Murray's going to significantly improve his shot.
The kid wants greatness and he listens and works hard for it.

He's going to be big next year.

BIG I tell you!

Wouldn't mind him and Dedmon going Kawhi mode in the offseason and coming all upgraded next season.

[TampaDude]

Were talking about NBA Champion Kawhi Leonard....Not Cam Newton.

NBA Champion and Finals MVP Kawhi Leonard.

[Darth_Pelican]

Cam Newton?

[PopTheGOAT]

Saying Durant is a great defender and is a better player than kawhi would not be a controversial opinion in any NBA circle except here.

Not saying they are great basketball minds, but the whole TNT crew says Kawhi is the 2nd best player in the world behind Lebron

[PopTheGOAT]

Pretty much

[BatManu20]

The Kawhi disrespect is real.

[UZER]

The Kawhi disrespect is real.

Durant so high is just stupid for all the reasons we've said over and over.

[Joseph Kony]

i kinda wanna put 100 bucks on Kawhi to win the MVP at those 10/1 odds tbh

[PopTheGOAT]

The Kawhi disrespect is real.

Not enough tbh

[BatManu20]

Not sure why but Memphis is showing Kawhi some love.

[SpursFan86]

The Kawhi disrespect is real.

Only person on that list that I think shouldn't be ahead of Kawhi is Durant*

*Not saying I necessarily agree from a basketball standpoint...just talking about strict odds. I think Harden/Westbrook/LeBron are all more likely to win MVP than Kawhi, deserving or not.

[Joseph Kony]

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/view...263#start_here

look at these s at least Kawhi is getting recognized by some but a lot of these rs still buy into the narrative that the spurs have all these pieces propping Kawhi up...when we all know we're ed without him. werent the spurs like barely .500 in '15 when he missed a good portion of time? imo taking into account the records and talent, Kawhi is the MVP. he may have a better overall team than Westbrook and Harden but they're not playing with scrubs (Kanter/Adams/Dipo are solid, Gordon/Anderson/Capella/Ariza is a great core around Harden) but he is doing more with more albeit not THAT much more. unfortunately spurs rep is hurting Kawhi's case imo, a lot of people still havent realized how meh the team is outside of Kawhi

[jsandiego]

This year, Kawhi has:

1. Outplayed Curry & Durant on opening night in Oakland.
2. Split 2 games vs. Harden. 1st game Harden had a triple double, but also 8 TOs. 2nd game Harden shot 10/25.
3. Scored a career-high 41 and outplayed LeBron James.
4. Scored 36 and outplayed Westbrook in a victory over OKC.

Seems pretty MVP worthy to me.

The remaining games against Houston may be his chance to snatch it from Harden, just like he took the DPOY 2 years ago when he stole Curry's cookies on national TV and had 7 steals.

[Chinook]

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/view...263#start_here

look at these s at least Kawhi is getting recognized by some but a lot of these rs still buy into the narrative that the spurs have all these pieces propping Kawhi up...when we all know we're ed without him. werent the spurs like barely .500 in '15 when he missed a good portion of time? imo taking into account the records and talent, Kawhi is the MVP. he may have a better overall team than Westbrook and Harden but they're not playing with scrubs (Kanter/Adams/Dipo are solid, Gordon/Anderson/Capella/Ariza is a great core around Harden) but he is doing more with more albeit not THAT much more. unfortunately spurs rep is hurting Kawhi's case imo, a lot of people still havent realized how meh the team is outside of Kawhi

Spurs fans have an uphill climb on RGM. Too many people want to tell us how our team works, which would be interesting except it's almost all parroted bull either praising the Spurs or talking about their age. There was a ton of momentum to consider Thomas over Kawhi along with Westbrook, Harden, Lebron and BOTH KD and Curry.

It's so strange that they think the roster is great but when it comes to trade ideas, the Spurs guys don't bring anything back. It's like, which is it?

[BillMc]

David Thorpe says its a toss up between Durant and Kawhi. He says Kawhi is "unguardable" and its impossible to score on KL in isolation (which of course is not literally true, but still...)
http://www.espn.com/espnradio/playPopup?id=18699812

[HarlemHeat37]

Durant shouldn't be anywhere near the MVP conversation

The Warriors have looked significantly better since they began running their offense through Curry again..

[RD2191]

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/view...263#start_here

look at these s at least Kawhi is getting recognized by some but a lot of these rs still buy into the narrative that the spurs have all these pieces propping Kawhi up...when we all know we're ed without him. werent the spurs like barely .500 in '15 when he missed a good portion of time? imo taking into account the records and talent, Kawhi is the MVP. he may have a better overall team than Westbrook and Harden but they're not playing with scrubs (Kanter/Adams/Dipo are solid, Gordon/Anderson/Capella/Ariza is a great core around Harden) but he is doing more with more albeit not THAT much more. unfortunately spurs rep is hurting Kawhi's case imo, a lot of people still havent realized how meh the team is outside of Kawhi

[DAF86]

This year, Kawhi has:

1. Outplayed Curry & Durant on opening night in Oakland.
2. Split 2 games vs. Harden. 1st game Harden had a triple double, but also 8 TOs. 2nd game Harden shot 10/25.
3. Scored a career-high 41 and outplayed LeBron James.
4. Scored 36 and outplayed Westbrook in a victory over OKC.

Seems pretty MVP worthy to me.

The remaining games against Houston may be his chance to snatch it from Harden, just like he took the DPOY 2 years ago when he stole Curry's cookies on national TV and had 7 steals.

Kawhi is 2-1 over Harden, tbh.

[Thomas82]

This year, Kawhi has:

1. Outplayed Curry & Durant on opening night in Oakland.
2. Split 2 games vs. Harden. 1st game Harden had a triple double, but also 8 TOs. 2nd game Harden shot 10/25.
3. Scored a career-high 41 and outplayed LeBron James.
4. Scored 36 and outplayed Westbrook in a victory over OKC.

Seems pretty MVP worthy to me.

The remaining games against Houston may be his chance to snatch it from Harden, just like he took the DPOY 2 years ago when he stole Curry's cookies on national TV and had 7 steals.

Also, neither of those players have Kawhi's workload on defense. Him being the best 2-way player should count for something.

[rasuo214]

If Kawhi maintains the pace and play that he's had since January then he should win MVP.