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Fine, I won't waste my time. Go ahead and believe these polls after what happened with the election.
Do you have internet access? "Do Your Own Research" -- WC
you may not grasp this, but there's a difference between "wanting ACA repealed" and "dis/approving ACA"
ACA has saved 1000s of lives, reduced pain and suffering, esp among Trash's rural sickos.
A lot of original DISapprovers wanted ACA to go much further, right up to Medicare for all.
Fine, I won't waste my time. Go ahead and believe these polls after what happened with the election.
exactly, all polls are totally useless, no information, no ins utions, no govt are trustworthy, so believe Trash, Breitbart, right-wing-hate-media, VRWC propaganda
Pootin loves your kind of ignorance
Last edited by boutons_deux; 01-21-2017 at 08:13 AM.
GOP governors who turned down Medicaid money have hands out
Republican governors who turned down billions in federal dollars from an expansion of Medicaid under President Barack Obama's health care law
now have their hands out in hopes the GOP Congress comes up with a new formula to provide insurance for low–income Americans.
"Do I think that Obamacare can be dramatically improved? I do," Kasich told reporters this month.
"Do I want to see a repeal of the expansion of Medicaid? I don't."
https://www.mdlinx.com/nephrology/me...icaid/7017481/
Obviously White Man's Taxpayer Money is better than Black Man's Taxpayer Money.
Last edited by boutons_deux; 01-21-2017 at 08:18 AM.
GOP senators unveil ObamaCare replacement bill
Two Republican senators on Monday unveiled one of the first ObamaCare replacement bills of the new Congress -- a state-centric plan they admit is imperfect but describe as a tangible start to overhauling the 2010 health care law on a bipartisan basis.
“We recognize that our bill is not perfect,”said Maine Sen. Susan Collins, who introduced the 2017 Patient Freedom
“We need comprehensive legislation,” Collins continued. “It’s still a work in progress. ... But if we don’t start putting specific legislation on the table that can be debated, refined, amended and enacted, then we will fail the American people.”
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...ment-bill.html
GOP senators unveil ObamaCare replacement bill
Two Republican senators on Monday unveiled one of the first ObamaCare replacement bills of the new Congress -- a state-centric plan they admit is imperfect but describe as a tangible start to overhauling the 2010 health care law on a bipartisan basis.
“We recognize that our bill is not perfect,”
“We need comprehensive legislation,” Collins continued. “It’s still a work in progress. ... But if we don’t start putting specific legislation on the table that can be debated, refined, amended and enacted, then we will fail the American people.”
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...ment-bill.html
ACA sign up until 31 Jan. I bet the Repugs don't publish the final numbers and/or block CMS from publishing them.
the Repugs to . Nothing but bad faith from those assholes
from a month ago:
Obamacare 2017 enrollment hits record, despite Trump's threat to repeal
http://money.cnn.com/2016/12/21/news...llment-record/
??? I thought Repugs, esp ST assholes, say all polls are wrong, like Trash denying his approval is a ty 37% ?
Conservative realizes Obamacare repeal is stupid ... politically anyway
. Pundit Matt Lewis is the latest to wake up to reality.
Conservative philosophy—from Burke to Hayek—suggests that comprehensive plans are a fatal conceit; the world is too complex to plan. The notion that Republicans could magically “fix” the largest sector of the world’s largest economy is dubious, at best.But that ship has sailed. No matter the fate of the Affordable Care Act, former President Barack Obama already accomplished a huge legacy-guaranteeing paradigm shift: It is now understood that it is the federal government’s job to make sure everyone has access to health care insurance.
Even President Donald Trump agrees with this promise of universal coverage, telling The Washington Post recently: “We’re going to have insurance for everybody… There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us.” […]
Should Republicans actually kick off a new administration by engaging in a fool’s errand that is almost guaranteed to backfire?
Sometimes you have to punt.
Lewis talked to James C. Capretta, a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Ins ute (AEI), who got there way before him:
"The idea that in this new political era, Congress and this new administration are going to remake health care is not realistic."http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/01/25/1625041/-Conservative-realizes-Obamacare-repeal-is-stupid-politically-anyway?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_c ampaign=Feed%3A+dailykos%2Findex+%28Daily+Kos%29
Trash, Repugs claim "everybody will be covered" under Repugocare, but they critically don't mention at what cost.
Everybody has FOREVER been covered, it was just too expensive for 10Ms.
Trump vows to cover more people at less cost — instead of letting Obamacare ‘explode’ to punish Dems
but he instead promised to provide better health care coverage at a lower cost.
During an interview with ABC News, the president offered a broadly sketched outline of what his replacement for Obamacare might be, although
his proposal offered few specifics. Trash? specifics?
“Here’s what I can assure you —
we are going to have a better plan,
much better health care,
much better service treatment,
a plan where you can have access to the doctor that you want and
the plan that you want,” Trump said.
“We’re gonna have a much better health care plan at much less money.”
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/01/trum...e+Raw+Story%29
Less cost means less profits for health care industry, but nobody touches their cheese
iow, HE'S LYING
Last edited by boutons_deux; 01-26-2017 at 11:56 AM.
Of course he's lying, his mouth is moving.
In leaked audio, Republicans destroy their own public talking points on Obamacare
The Post’s Mike DeBonis has obtained leaked audio of Republicans at a closed-door session airing serious anxieties about the GOP’s strategy to repeal and replace Obamacare. What’s remarkable is how decisively their specific comments in private undercut the party’s public, carefully-crafted talking points about the battle to come.
Now, to be clear, these private comments reveal Republicans actually wrestling with the policy challenges that repeal (and replace) will create, which is a good thing as far as it goes.
However, in so doing, they basically admit in various ways that Republicans will be responsible for the mess that repealing the law — which would probably be done on a delay while Republicans come up with a replacement — is expected to make.
For instance:
Senators and House members expressed a range of concerns about the task ahead:
how to prepare a replacement plan that can be ready to launch at the time of repeal;
how to avoid deep damage to the health insurance market;
how to keep premiums affordable for middle-class families;
even how to avoid the political consequences of defunding Planned Parenthood, the women’s health-care organization, as many Republicans hope to do with the repeal of the ACA.
“We’d better be sure that we’re prepared to live with the market we’ve created” with repeal, said Rep. Tom McClintock (R-Calif.).
“That’s going to be called Trumpcare.
Republicans will own that lock, stock and barrel, and we’ll be judged in the election less than two years away.”
The notion that Republicans will have “created” the state of the market that results after repeal, and that they will “own” that outcome, is refreshing to hear.
Republicans have employed a series of overwrought formulations and tortured metaphors that are designed to suggest that, because Obamacare is already allegedly collapsing, Republicans are merely stepping in with a “rescue mission” to arrest that damage, while building a “bridge” to an as-yet-unspecified replacement.
The game there has been to preemptively lay the groundwork to claim later that whatever consequences are unleashed by repealing the law were already in motion, and were not created by repeal itself.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...t-draw7&wpmm=1
Repugs are SO ED!
'Negotiator' Trump caves to big pharma
Today, after a meeting with pharmaceutical industry lobbyists and executives, he abandoned that pledge, referring to an idea he supported as recently as three weeks ago as a form of “price fixing” that would hurt “smaller, younger companies.”
Instead of getting tough, Trump’s new plan is that he’s “going to be lowering taxes” and “getting rid of regulations.” […]As recently as January 11, President-elect Trump was promising to revisit this policy.
"Pharma has a lot of lobbies, a lot of lobbyists and a lot of power. And there's very little bidding on drugs," he said at a press conference at Trump Tower in Manhattan.
"We're the largest buyer of drugs in the world, and yet we don't bid properly."
Today he apparently changed his mind. According to Herb Jackson, the designated pool reporter for the day,
Trump's new policy on prescription drugs is that drug companies should get tax cuts and deregulation.
Compe ion through corporate tax cuts and deregulation, at the cost of people on Medicare,
As for Medicare price-fixing, who knows what he means, but it's probably this: "someone, somewhere, probably tried to explain formularies to him. (I suspect it didn't take.)"
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/0...oy-their-party
What a "deal"!
Trash ing over his voters, as predicted.
Easier, faster drug approval, with BigPharma continuing hide, even more, the negative outcomes of their self-interested "testing", means even more patients sickened, maimed, killed by BigPharma, for profit.
5 Things The GOP Won’t Tell You About Obamacare
1. If they go through with any substantive repeal of the Affordable Care Act, they probably won’t be able to replace it — ever.
If you want to cover “everybody,” you either have to establish some meaningless standard for coverage that evaporates any time you have an ailment bigger than half a hangnail, or you have to spend money — even more than the billions of dollars Republicans are eager to give back to the richest Americans. “If you end it in three years without a replacement, what Republican is going to vote for a tax increase to fund it?” asked Senator Bob Corker (R-TN). “I don’t know any.”
2. Repeal isn’t inevitable.
“Right after the election, Republicans vowed to have a repeal bill on Trump’s desk on January 20,” Topher Spiro, vice president for health policy at the Center for American Progress, told me. “That timeline has already slipped, and is slipping even more as we speak.” Senate Republicans have shown they have the simple majority they need for repeal, but about a half dozen of their 52 members have expressed concerns about repealing Obamacare without a decent replacement. That’s more than enough to create uncertainty.
3. If Trump has an actual plan to cover everybody, Republicans would be his problem.
“Most fundamentally, [Republicans] have no idea how to keep their promise to cover as many people as the Affordable Care Act,” Spiro explained. “That’s because it’s a false promise: Expanding and maintaining coverage is not, and has never been, their goal. But they just can’t seem to come out and admit that they don’t care if people lose coverage.”
Trump told The Washington Post, “There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it.” The “circles” he’s referring to are better known as “The Republican Party.”
4. Repeal could weaken everyone’s insurance.
Obamacare removed both yearly and lifetime caps on insurance, something you only probably noticed if you or a family member has had a serious illness. As Spiro notes, it also expanded free coverage of preventive services like colon cancer screening, mammograms, and flu shots. And it put a limit on what insurance companies can charge for out-of-pocket costs. All of that affects even those who get insurance at work.
5. If a replacement plan did pass, it would leave Republicans open to the fiercest attack they made on the ACA.
Having no ability to repeal the law gave Republicans the freedom to attack Obamcare for offering their favorite kind of insurance — high-deductible plans that force consumers to think about price as they make medical decisions. GOP proposals “offer threadbare, catastrophic coverage with enormous deductibles,” New York magazine’s Jonathan Chait wrote. “The English vernacular term for the kind of insurance Republican health care plans would offer is ‘crappy.’ ”
Trump promised us “something terrific.”
He just didn’t explain it was a terrific mess that could end with Americans finally discovering how much they had gained,
right as he takes it away.
http://www.nationalmemo.com/5-things...out-obamacare/
Some Republicans Now Think They Should Repair Obamacare, Not Repeal It
The Hill reports that Republicans are gradually backing off their promise to repeal Obamacare:
Key Republican lawmakers are shifting their goal on ObamaCare from repealing and replacing the law to the more modest goal of repairing it.
Even if it's a good idea, which is debatable, older people will obviously hate it. AARP is already calling out the dogs. And since older people tend to be Republicans, why would Republicans want to piss them off? It's all very mysterious.
....“I think it is more accurate to say repair ObamaCare because, for example, in the reconciliation procedure that we have in the Senate, we can't repeal all of ObamaCare,” [Sen. Lamar] Alexander said. “ObamaCare wasn't passed by reconciliation, it can't be repealed by reconciliation. So we can repair the individual market, which is a good place to start."
....Lawmakers have already started to face crowds of cons uents concerned about what repeal might do to their own healthcare....Other lawmakers are worried repeal could cause chaos in the insurance market that would be politically damaging to Republicans, or simply that their cons uents could lose coverage under repeal.
every other insurer is doing the same. They need to know what Republicans plan to do before they commit to anything for 2018. And if they don't commit, there are going to be millions of registered voters who will lose their insurance and then descend on their members of Congress like a plague of angry locusts.
The clock is ticking.
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-dru...-not-repeal-it
Repugs are so ed!
Here's why Repugs are gonna screw 10Ms of people out of health insurance, health care
A look at the $1.1 trillion in taxes over 10 years imposed by former President Barack Obama's health care overhaul
-- 3.8% tax on investment income over $200,000 for individuals, $250,000 for couples: $223 billion in revenue over 10 years
.—tax penalty on larger employers not providing health insurance to workers: $178 billion.
—annual fee on health insurance companies: $130 billion.
—0.9% Medicare surtax on income over $220,000 for individuals, $250,000 for couples: $123 billion.
—"Cadillac" tax on value of high–cost employer provided health insurance: $79 billion.
—deductibility of medical costs exceeding 10 percent of people's income, raised from prior 7.5% threshold: $40 billion.
—tax penalty on individuals who don't obtain health insurance: $38 billion.
—annual fee on makers and importers of prescription drugs: $30 billion.
—2.3% tax on makers and importers of some medical devices, exempts consumer products such as eye glasses: $20 billion.
—$2,500 annual limit on employee contributions to flexible spending accounts for medical costs (cap grows with inflation): $32 billion.
—10% tax on indoor tanning services: $800 million.
https://www.mdlinx.com/nephrology/me...place/7054992/
Repugs gonna cut the taxes on the wealthy and everywhere else,
then won't have money to pay for whatevr TF their plan will be, Ms of people will suffer and even die for want of healthcare
so their plan will not be as good as ACA, and they will "pay for" it by gutting the social safety net
Trump administration unveils 'Trumpcare'—higher costs for less coverage for middle-income Americans
These new regulations would allow insurance companies to sell plans with higher deductibles and narrower networks and reduce the subsidies that low- and middle-income families get to purchase insurance. Yes, higher out-of-pocket costs and less help buying insurance. For the people that have the hardest time affording insurance and medical care.
If finalized as proposed, the rule would reduce the amount of health care that marketplace plans have to cover.
That would allow individual-market insurers to offer plans with higher deductibles and other out-of-pocket costs than they can now sell through the marketplaces.
It would also have the hidden impact of reducing the Affordable Care Act’s (ACA) premium tax credits, which help moderate-income marketplace consumers afford health care.
As a result, the rule would force millions of families to choose between higher premiums and worse coverage.
[…]The Administration argues that
allowing less generous health plans,
with higher deductibles and out-of-pocket costs but lower premiums,
will give consumers more choices,
draw more people into the marketplace, and, in this way, stabilize the market.
But, in fact, this provision of the rule will do just the opposite.
Due to the impact on premium tax credits, it will mainly serve to
make marketplace coverage more expensive for marketplace consumers.
Together with other provisions of the rule, that will
almost certainly result in lower enrollment and a weaker risk pool which, in turn, will weaken market stability.
Moreover, the rule does nothing to dispel the main source of uncertainty and instability currently affecting the marketplace:
the looming threat that congressional Republicans will repeal the ACA, without enacting a comprehensive replacement.
These elements are in some of the Republican proposals for "replacing" Obamacare because Republicans don't care if you have to bankrupt yourself and your family to have health care. But make no mistake: if these rules are approved and put in place,
they will begin to erode Obamacare and its protections, and Republicans are going to own that.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/0...28Daily+Kos%29
Only the beginning but an strong indication of where the Repug MUST go: higher costs and tier coverage.
Administration Moves To Block Access To Health Insurance
They can’t repeal Obamacare, so the Trump White House wants to make it much harder for you to get insurance with it.
The Trump administration is moving to make it harder for you to get health insurance through the Affordable Care Act.
The net effect of the proposals would be significantly greater regulatory and paperwork burdens for both consumers and health insurance exchanges, the opposite of Trump’s promise during the campaign and since taking office.
The proposed rules also would lower the percentage of expenses that insurers must cover, forcing patients to pay more for their health care.
Andy Slavitt, the former acting administrator of the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, said the Trump administration has created a “manufactured crisis” in the Affordable Care Act with talk of a repeal and not enforcing rules.
About 650,000 more people would have to submit do ents to verify that they can get health insurance. Among those affected are newlyweds, people switching insurance because of a life event such as losing a job and Native Americans.
This is just some of the fine print in the 71-page proposed regulation that the Department of Health and Human Services unveiled Wednesday, just days after Tom Price was sworn in as the new Health secretary. Price, a physician, has promised to gut the Affordable Care Act.
http://www.alternet.org/personal-hea...alth-insurance
You Repugs suck ejaculating donkey .
Last edited by boutons_deux; 02-20-2017 at 06:22 AM.
boutons, think about what insurance in general is meant to do - it is meant to cover in case of catastrophe - when there's a fire (home), when your car is damaged/totaled (auto), when you die (life). It is not meant to pay for maintenance like oil/tire/brake changes or replacing your window. Likewise, health insurance should not be covering the routine services like annual checkup ($90), sick visit ($75), birth control pills ($9/month), mammogram/ultrasound ($80) or else it will be too expensive. Allow people to buy catastrophic insurance and shop for the non-emergency stuff - prices should go down if there is people compare prices and pay directly (cut out insurance middleman). ACA is unsustainable - families cannot afford $1800/month in premiums plus deductibles and co-pays and why should they pay for "essential" benefits like maternity coverage that they don't need?
How many people who got covered by ACA pay $1800/month?
almost none, so your "unsustainable" is bull .
probably a very tiny percentage, but that's cheaper than employer group insurance
Annual Healthcare Cost For Family Of Four Now At $24,670
http://www.forbes.com/sites/danmunro.../#3cb43e434dfb====
That's a lot higher than I've seen elsewhere, eg:
Average Family Premium per Enrolled Employee For Employer-Based Health Insurance
http://kff.org/other/state-indicator...2:%7B%7D%7D%7D
... probably $18K+ for 2017
... skimmed right off the top of employee salaries, tax-free compensation in kind, and hosed straight to BigInsurance. It's ing criminal racket, a shakedown.
Deductibles in all health insurance means health care "brakes, tires, oil" aren't covered. Just like Medicare doesn't cover vision or hearing.
Last edited by boutons_deux; 02-20-2017 at 06:38 AM.
So, just because some don't pay for it themselves that justifies the high cost of ACA? Someone is still paying - that's us the taxpayers - we're paying those ridiculous premiums and also paying for those with subsidies and Medicaid. When you force every single policy to cover annual, birth control pills, labs, maternity benefits, pediatric dental and vision - it drives up the cost. Insurance should be for major stuff - not routine. And before you mention single payor, remember Vermont and Colorado.
"the high cost of ACA"
goddam, you're stupid
ACA doesn't set prices, your beloved BigInsuranceCo does
No, that'd be the stupid law written and passed by the Dems - allowing people to sign up after they get sick, having the penalty so low people are willing to pay it and wait till they're sick to sign up, forcing policies to have their so-called 10 essential benefits driving up prices, allowing people to enroll/do annuals/labs/procedures and then drop after they've have their care, charging young people higher to pay for old people (x3 instead of x5) resulting in few young signing up. All that is what is driving up prices. Face it, your Dems colluded with BigInsuranceCo, BigPharma, etc to come up with ACA.
the penalties were too
signing up after your sick could have been fixed, but Repugs don't fix, they destroy
prices DRIVE UP every year, way above inflation, for decades, LONG before ACA.
ACA had to let BigPharma/BigInsurance get paid, since BigCorp makes national policies for its own benefit.
If you think Repugs are gonna take money away from health care industry, you're really stupid.
Repugs will make EVERYTHING more expensive for citizens, and that has already started. It's going to get a LOT worse.
You're REALLY stupid if you think Repugs are gonna "replace" ACA with something better and cheaper. It will be WORSE and MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE with Ms fewer covered.
Last edited by boutons_deux; 02-20-2017 at 03:32 PM.
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