Game Thread: 3/13 Spurs vs. Hawks 7:00 PM CST (8:00 PM EST, 3:00 AM Riga Time)

[cutewizard]

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[cutewizard]

its clobberin time

[DPG21920]

I didn't change son. Let me explain it to you:

I said I didn't like Kawhi bringing the ball up every other possession. Then you said that happens becuase Mills would be getting pressured by Atlanta. I then told you Atlanta wasn't pressuring , not Kawhi, not Mills, not Manu, not anybody. Then you saw the opportunity to pull a dishonest "I told you so" because of that one play where Patty had already handled the pressure and the refs decided to make it more interesting, despite nothing of what you said happening for the entirety of the rest of the game.

Lol wut - your comment was Kawhi bringing it up. Hence not Mills bringing it up. How can he be pressured if he's not bringing it up?

The reason for your original comment was because of Mills not bringing it up. I explained why SA was in this situation. You didn't like the situation, moved the goal posts and now are trying to point out Kawhi being pressured once with 30 seconds left means that Mills was not pressured when he did get to bring the ball up before that

Mills wasn't bringing the ball hence your kawhi comment. I said why and when he did bring it up, regardless of how he handled what i said would happen, what I said would happen happened.

Then on top of that, it's happened plenty of times in other games most of the time which Mills does not handle it well.

But you know that. It's ok to be wrong. I've been wrong at least twice before on this forum.

[DAF86]

Lol wut - your comment was Kawhi bringing it up. Hence not Mills bringing it up. How can he be pressured if he's not bringing it up?

The reason for your original comment was because of Mills not bringing it up. I explained why SA was in this situation. You didn't like the situation, moved the goal posts and now are trying to point out Kawhi being pressured once with 30 seconds left means that Mills was not pressured when he did get to bring the ball up before that

Mills wasn't bringing the ball hence your kawhi comment. I said why and when he did bring it up, regardless of how he handled what i said would happen, what I said would happen happened.

Then on top of that, it's happened plenty of times in other games most of the time which Mills does not handle it well.

But you know that. It's ok to be wrong. I've been wrong at least twice before on this forum.

Dude, I literally said "I don't like Kawhi bringing the ball up EVERY OTHER play", meaning once every 2 or 3 times down the court, mostly when Patty wasn't on the floor. Patty dribled the ball up the floor a lot more than Kawhi on this game and he didn't get pressured at all untill that one play that you so desperately jumped on, tbh.

[spurs10]

Numero Uno!!

[BillMc]

Maybe this was already posted but I don't like it:

Here's Spurs forward Kawhi Leonard explaining how his first concussion felt: "As far as my physical, my body, I felt alright. I didn't feel dizzy like I was gonna fall. I just had a blurriness out of my left eye. So I tried to shake it off, and I ran through the next couple of plays. They ended up calling that timeout, and it just started getting really, really blurry. I told one of the coaching staff what I was feeling at that time. And I just went out to get checked out."

[GSH]

Maybe this was already posted but I don't like it:

That's the first thing I've seen that actually described concussion symptoms. Up till now, I thought maybe it was just putting him through the required protocol, and then using it as a chance to give him a little rest. After reading that, I kind of wish they had given him a little more time - although I doubt they would have been able to beat Atlanta without him tonight. Someone said during the game that they thought he got hit in the head again. A second concussion is easier to come by for a while after a first, and losing Kawhi would be a season-ender.

Thanks for posting that... I think.

[DPG21920]

That's the first thing I've seen that actually described concussion symptoms. Up till now, I thought maybe it was just putting him through the required protocol, and then using it as a chance to give him a little rest. After reading that, I kind of wish they had given him a little more time - although I doubt they would have been able to beat Atlanta without him tonight. Someone said during the game that they thought he got hit in the head again. A second concussion is easier to come by for a while after a first, and losing Kawhi would be a season-ender.

Thanks for posting that... I think.

That was me. It was when Kawhi drove into the lane in the first half and had that left handed flip shot where he got fouled. I saw his head back when the forearm came in and hit him for the foul. In looking at the replay it seemed like more of a reaction of getting fouled than contact but I really could not tell.

[GSH]

I said I didn't like Kawhi bringing the ball up every other possession. Then you said that happens becuase Mills would be getting pressured by Atlanta. I then told you Atlanta wasn't pressuring , not Kawhi, not Mills, not Manu, not anybody. Then you saw the opportunity to pull a dishonest "I told you so" because of that one play where Patty had already handled the pressure and the refs decided to make it more interesting, despite nothing of what you said happened for the entirety of the rest of the game.

I had most of the second half buffered into my DVR, so I went back and looked. They were, in fact, pressuring Mills in the backcourt more than I generally see - especially that Cruella DeVille bas Schroeder. A few times Patty kicked it over to Kawhi, which is always the smart thing to do. A few times Kawhi brought it across on his own, but nowhere nearly half the time. When he did, they never bothered him the way they were Patty.

I don't think any of that proves anything. When a backup PG starts, it's pretty common for the opposing coach to test him that way, and Bud knows Patty as well as anyone. Then again, when he was pressured, Patty seemed to do a good job of handling it - whether it was by himself, or by making a pass. Seems too simple for there to be much to argue about. When they used to pressure CoJo in the backcourt (especially his first couple of years) he coughed the ball up a lot. If I were an opposing coach, I would pressure the out of Murray that way. But the only real purpose in doing it to Patty would be leaving the Spurs less time to run their offense and find the "better" shot.

[GSH]

That was me. It was when Kawhi drove into the lane in the first half and had that left handed flip shot where he got fouled. I saw his head back when the forearm came in and hit him for the foul. In looking at the replay it seemed like more of a reaction of getting fouled than contact but I really could not tell.

I'm glad I didn't see that. I'm really glad I didn't see it after reading what Bill just posted.

I guess this is why Pop gets paid the big bucks. I'd hate to have to make the call between needing him now, and needing him even more later.

[DPG21920]

I had most of the second half buffered into my DVR, so I went back and looked. They were, in fact, pressuring Mills in the backcourt more than I generally see - especially that Cruella DeVille bas Schroeder. A few times Patty kicked it over to Kawhi, which is always the smart thing to do. A few times Kawhi brought it across on his own, but nowhere nearly half the time. When he did, they never bothered him the way they were Patty.

I don't think any of that proves anything. When a backup PG starts, it's pretty common for the opposing coach to test him that way, and Bud knows Patty as well as anyone. Then again, when he was pressured, Patty seemed to do a good job of handling it - whether it was by himself, or by making a pass. Seems too simple for there to be much to argue about. When they used to pressure CoJo in the backcourt (especially his first couple of years) he coughed the ball up a lot. If I were an opposing coach, I would pressure the out of Murray that way. But the only real purpose in doing it to Patty would be leaving the Spurs less time to run their offense and find the "better" shot.

And again, to my larger point trying to explain to him why you see this, it's not about this game even (though I agree with what you saw). With TP Kawhi truly is the best ball handler against starting level defense. Teams don't test TP or Kawhi like they do with Mills because they are better and it's pointless.

We've all seen Mills get pressured numerous times and cough it up. He handled it fine today, but Kawhi bringing up the ball with no TP was a symptom of him being the best option and Mills getting pressured more because of everything I said. It was not a knock; it was an answer to his statement as to "why" this was happening.

[GSH]

And again, to my larger point trying to explain to him why you see this, it's not about this game even (though I agree with what you saw). With TP Kawhi truly is the best ball handler against starting level defense. Teams don't test TP or Kawhi like they do with Mills because they are better and it's pointless.

We've all seen Mills get pressured numerous times and cough it up. He handled it fine today, but Kawhi bringing up the ball with no TP was a symptom of him being the best option and Mills getting pressured more because of everything I said. It was not a knock; it was an answer to his statement as to "why" this was happening.

I can't argue with that. Not sure why anyone would. Coaches pressure backup PG's when they start, just like they blitz a backup QB until he proves that he'll make them pay for it.

I remember years ago, a young guy trying to pressure Manu when he had the ball, and Manu just torched him. The commentators laughed and said that you just don't try that with Manu Ginobili, or he'll make you pay. These days it's getting fairly common for defenders to go hard at Manu that same way, because he's lost a step. It's just the way it works. Tony isn't what he used to be, but they still know that they can't get up in his shorts. They'll do it to Patty until he proves he can handle it. Nights like this help.

[szkorhetz]

The Gasol-Dedmon pairing ♥

[DPG21920]

Yup^. If Mills wants to be a legit starter and not just some place holder (which you can't win with PG's like him because the other non-PG dominate teams have PGs that can defend and do other things) he has to be able to initiate offense under pressure.

I dont think he can consistently especially in the playoffs. But hopefully he can and proves it this year.

[BatManu20]

[GSH]

I said I didn't like Kawhi bringing the ball up every other possession. Then you said that happens becuase Mills would be getting pressured by Atlanta.

Lol wut - your comment was Kawhi bringing it up. Hence not Mills bringing it up.

I just watched the entire first half. The things you two are arguing about didn't happen enough times to even talk about, much less argue about.

Kawhi didn't bring the ball up the court half the time - he brought it up 9 times out of 50 Spurs possessions. And only once did Patty defer and just let him bring the ball across.
Twice Kawhi got a rebound and took off by himself.
Twice Patty was defended off the ball, so the rebounder passed to Kawhi to bring up
Twice there were missed shots, and Patty had released, so Kawhi brought it up.
Twice there were missed shots, and Forbes had released, so Kawhi brought it up
The last possession of the half, with the clock winding down, Patty deferred to Kawhi to bring across, because it's his show in that situation.

On the other hand, Atlanta never pressured anyone until almost midway through the second, when Bud obviously made the adjustment. Patty got pressured in the backcourt several times after that, and a couple of times he was defended off the ball. No one other than Patty ever got pressured in the backcourt, but even he didn't get pressured that many times.

I just watched half of the third quarter, and it's more of the same. Except twice Kawhi was a little frustrated and said, "Gimme the ball", so the inbounder threw it to him to bring up the floor. Bottom line, big argument about that didn't happen.

[TampaDude]

Just another day at the office, having fun!

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[SupremeGuy]

Clearly photoshopped.

[sasaint]

Fun Foto of the Year nominee: "Kiwi and Aussie Share Some Fun". Thanks!

[sasaint]

Clearly photoshopped.

Oops! I didn't see that until you pointed it out. Good catch.

[look_at_g_shred]

Fun Foto of the Year nominee: "Kiwi and Aussie Share Some Fun". Thanks!

Sounds like a Porn le.

[james evans]

i didn't mention it last night because I was in a session while watching this game, but we played better without Aldridge against Atlanta. I figured we would. Aldridge DOES NOT move without the ball. He just wants to shoot those broke ass 18 footers all game and when we gets the ball, he backs down too long instead of getting the ball and immediately dong somethign with it. I'm not saying we don't need him, but we definitely play better against certain teams without him

[look_at_g_shred]

i didn't mention it last night because I was in a session while watching this game, but we played better without Aldridge against Atlanta. I figured we would. Aldridge DOES NOT move without the ball. He just wants to shoot those broke ass 18 footers all game and when we gets the ball, he backs down too long instead of getting the ball and immediately dong somethign with it. I'm not saying we don't need him, but we definitely play better against certain teams without him

I agree. It would be better if once he caught the ball, immediately take it to the rim and score in the paint rather than a turn around fadeaway.

[Ice009]

I agree. It would be better if once he caught the ball, immediately take it to the rim and score in the paint rather than a turn around fadeaway.

Yep, that would be much better of LMA did that. More decisiveness from him would go a long way. I hope he's alright and can come back very soon.