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Yes it is. None of this comes up when he plays well (including against OKC in the playoffs last year). It's the same every time. People expect the Spurs to be 10-1 against the top teams as if that's not most important. But , if someone like Portland gets them, then it's all about who should go or why the Spurs are fake contenders. The Spurs have dropped eight games against all likely playoff teams from both conferences and have won 24 of them. It's crazy that they're getting doubted so much.
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I didn't watch the Portland game so I don't know exactly what he did..but by reading post I kinda have an idea and this isn't new..
I feel I've been pretty consistent/fair when it comes to criticism. If he's not an elite 3pt shooter that's going to be a problem..there's no excuse as to why he can't shoot at least 42% from 3 with all the open looks he gets..
If he's going to be shooting 35%-37% that's not good enough...cause Manu can give you that and then some on the offensive end. Everybody understands his value defensively but you've gotta bring something to the table on the other end..Bruce Bowen was challenged offensively but he made himself into a consistent elite 3pt shooter...you expected him to make corners threes all day...and even he established a one dribble pull up when they ran him off the line.
I'm not asking much of the guy and tbh the most frustrating thing is if he would stay consistent 40%+ shooter we'd be pretty much unbeatable.
Last edited by coachmac87; 03-16-2017 at 10:59 AM.
No, not asking much, but too much for Danny anymore. Time to move on from Danny, Tony and Manu. The collapse of Simmons after Pop apparently was counting on him only spotlights what is a non-contending backcourt. Pop should have brought Murray along much more quickly, as some of us advocated.
You sound like Nono defending Manu.
He's the Spurs' third-most important player absolutely irreplaceable, as my landlord Palangi says. Obviously, him shooting well would be a huge boon to the team, and the team will have to reckon with him shooting poorly consistently, especially if he does so in the playoffs. But when you make a guy untouchable despite his faults and salary, then you just have to deal with the fact that you're running more on hope than anything else.
Not all shooting is created equal. We were talking about this in relation to Mills/Barton. Manu really isn't a spot-up shooter, and even if could be looked at that way, he's not dynamic enough to really leverage an offense.If he's going to be shooting 35%-37% that's not good enough...cause Manu can give you that and then some on the offensive end.
So Bowen retroactively became a much better player than he was. I bet if you pulled the 2007-2010 teams down to this ST, you'd get tons of threads hating him. Bowen shot exclusively from one spot back in an NBA where teams allowed that shot way too much. Danny this year is shooting 44.8 percent from the corners, which is higher than Bruce shot in any of his final six years in SA. You give him Bruce's offensive job, and he probably tears it up.Everybody understands his value defensively but you've gotta bring something to the table on the other end..Bruce Bowen was challenged offensively but he made himself into a consistent elite 3pt shooter...you expected him to make corners threes all day...and even he established a one dribble pull up when they ran him off the line.
Bruce had Danny on long-twos, but Green is much better inside the arc in general. Danny turns the ball over more but has to assist more.
Even broke-ass Green is better offensively than Bowen was.
And we all know this. I've been hoping for 2011-2014 Green to show up for a few months, if only for my fantasy team. I've been as critical of his shooting and some of his D as anyone else has been in game threads. I am not going to ride with some blatant misunderstandings of what he's doing on the court, though. He could be playing better and more consistently for sure, but he's not what's wrong with the team -- especially since there really isn't much wrong with the team in the first place.I'm not asking much of the guy and tbh the most frustrating thing is if he would stay consistent 40%+ shooter we'd be pretty much unbeatable.
Actually, I sound like someone who was more annoyed with the thread's timing than its content.You sound like Nono defending Manu.
Green is not getting traded. Dude is a top 5 player on the team.
I feel the collapse of Simmons is due to a wrist injury on his shooting hand. When you're not a good shooter to begin with it doesn't take much to things up lol
It'd be fine if he was just shooting 3s, even though his percentage has gone down. The problem is him trying to do too much by dribbling. It's such a ing disaster and easily preventable if he just played within his capabilities.
I respect that you admit you see issues though...
And I agree that there's nothing we can really do about it because he do need him to succeed the way roster is built...but tbh I think he could be moved this offseason if he doesn't improve..Re type player? Just suggestion.
And yes this thread is re ed and he shouldn't be gone..but I do think he does deserve criticism..
I think Danny is still the same player but the system and limitations of players around him has changed. He's always been streaky unfortunately. But Tony is declined or injured and Lamarcus is at high usage and shooting poorly. Danny having an on night would have bailed out Lamarcus poor night for example.
Danny's not untouchable, though I think the Spurs would be much more hesitant to move him than people think. Dude came back for less than market value twice, and that's something that only Manu can currently claim doing on the team. He's pretty much the voice of the Spurs' locker room to the public, and that's huge when you have a star like Kawhi who'd rather not doing it and a bunch of other players who are relatively new.
I was talking about Parker. If they are -bent on keeping Tony despite his flaws, then they can't do anything but hope he can do well. Re and Parker isn't a better back court, while Hill/Lowry and Green would be. You keep Tony, you may as well ride out the year with him, Green, LMA and Pau and see who can fit the new normal after that.
i've always defended Green but man I'm starting to get sick of him too. constantly throwing ty passes in the lane, always losing the ball or throwing up some whack ass when he drives to the rim that misses terribly, constantly bricking wide open looks, always throwing terrible passes...his only saving grace is his defense and even that has been meh lately. dude needs to step up in the PO or im on board with trading his ass in the offseason
I see we're still with the Danny is irreplaceable schtick lol
if only spurs could get someone like KCP or Middleton to replace this scrub
Green has gone from an elite 3nD guy to an average one, but he would look a lot better if we had a threat in the post to create open 3 point looks. The biggest ptoblem w this team is the lack of a 2nd option, ideally in the post. I'm looking at you LaMarcus!
I dunno man. I know Re isn't near the defender as Green but he can guard better than most think. But as Tony declines to create and be a threat offensively you need something more than a shaky 37% shooter who literally can't do anything else. Re can't create for others off the dribble but he does have midrange game and the best thing about him is his off ball movement..pretty much a better version of Marco...
But the real question is what do I have to pay $ for Re ?
Green is getting the same open looks he's always gotten. That's not the problem.
Re can adequately guard his position... which has pretty much more one to guard. He's not quick enough for bigs nor tall enough for most wings, and him being 33 only makes that worse. I'm glad he's not Marco, but I can't think of a player against whom the Spurs will feel like Re 's D was valuable.
Why do you keep calling Green a 37-percent shooter? He's a 39-percent shooter, while Re is a 41-percenter. That's five more threes over 59 games that Danny'd have to make up. JJ is certainly used to a more dynamic role than Green's had lately. And he scores more inside the arc, though he doesn't have much on Green in creating for others (assists at a lower rate with a similar A:TO). Without a PG to put pressure on the D, I doubt Re would score well enough to make up for the defensive drop-off.
And that's ignoring that Re will make twice as much as Danny will next season.
You should turn in your CoP card if you think that.
He would stay within his game more often if we had half decent nba guards around him.
You got stats that say otherwise? The only time he creates his own 3 is in transition.
93.5% of his threes are assisted.
You sound like Nono defending Manu.
Just saw Green shoots 10.5% from 10-16 feet
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