Zach Lowe:" I am not sure Kawhi isn't the MVP of the whole league" "should be #1...

**Gagnrath** · 03-25-2017

Durant might well believe it.... He's done for this year till the second round, but his defense was actually good this year. Partially because he has putting forth energy and partially because he is playing more as a big than a wing on defense.

**Thomas82** · 03-25-2017

Originally Posted by SPURt

A little mailbag fun with Bull tons:

https://theringer.com/the-no-sleep-t...889#.3by52sx6g

Q: Tom Haberstroh (who I like) , “This @kpelton piece tackles Kawhi’s MVP’s credentials, including the overrated concept of “BEST TWO-WAY PLAYER.” It’s now overrated to be the league’s best two-way player? When did we decide this?
— Jack Lewis

BS: It’s not overrated if the league’s best two-way player doubles as (a) one of the NBA’s six or seven best offensive players by any metric; (b) one of the NBA’s three best defensive players; (c) the only All-Star on a top-4 contender cruising for 62-plus wins; (d) the only active star who can say, “I outplayed LeBron head-to-head in the NBA Finals when I wasn’t even in my prime yet”; (e) the only current NBA star who can successfully defend Westbrook, Harden, LeBron, Durant, and Davis; (f) one of the two best perimeter defenders I’ve ever seen in my freaking life; and (g) our only NBA star who can say, “There’s 40 seconds left in Game 7 and it’s tied — I’m gonna score on LeBron, and then I’m gonna stop him from scoring” (and actually believe it).

I'm loving that response.

**spursistan** · 03-25-2017

So, yeah this dude from NBA.COM has already ruled Kawhi and Russ out of it, but still has Lebron candidate for MVP when his team has won less games in March than the in Nets

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GTFOH...He goes at it with Marc Stein ...

**SPURt** · 03-26-2017

Originally Posted by spursistan

So, yeah this dude from NBA.COM has already ruled Kawhi and Russ out of it, but still has Lebron candidate for MVP when his team has won less games in March than the in Nets

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GTFOH...He goes at it with Marc Stein ...

Weak argument, depth? Wasn't there a post somewhere saying the Rockets have the deepest team in the league?

**playbonner15** · 03-26-2017

Harden's gonna win it

**Ice009** · 03-26-2017

I think Harden thinks he should have won it two years ago when Curry won his first one. I don't know where he finished in the MVP voting that season, but I think they might give it to him.

I wonder how Westbrook would feel about that. Both Durant and Harden winning an MVP trophy, and he gets nothing while also being on a worse team. I can't believe all 3 were on the same team, and from what I recall, Harden had no problem with his role off the bench. OKC really ed that up.

**GSH** · 03-26-2017

Article on NBA.com: http://www.nba.com/article/2017/03/2...fect-mvp-chase

This article, like every other discussion I've see/heard for the last week or more, doesn't even mention Kawhi. Some people say Westbrook, because of the triple double. Some say Harden, because he's anchoring the league's second best offense. One person mentioned LeBron. But Kawhi isn't even getting mentioned in the discussion anymore.

Doesn't matter if they are right or wrong, this is pretty much how the voting is going to go, I think. I really thought Kawhi might get enough second place votes to actually finish second, but it's looking more like 1-2 will be either Harden or Westbrook. And I wouldn't be surprised to even see LeBron third.

**TD 21** · 03-26-2017

Originally Posted by spursistan

So, yeah this dude from NBA.COM has already ruled Kawhi and Russ out of it, but still has Lebron candidate for MVP when his team has won less games in March than the in Nets

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GTFOH...He goes at it with Marc Stein ...

Even though they're often more informed than the talking (more like, shouting) heads, this is the problem with a lot of the stat geeks. In addition to being snobs, they're so desperate to be cutting edge and original, that as soon as something becomes mainstream, they want to distance themselves from it.

At that biased, whining hypocrite Van Gundy picking Harden. This from a guy who constantly harps about valuing winning and defense . . . I guess those things don't matter when a Rocket is involved.

**TheGreatYacht** · 03-26-2017

Stat geeks are the worst thing to ever happen to the game of basketball. Failed to make varsity in their senior years because they were 5'6.... So they tried their hardest to be relevant by pushing out these fake news metrics

**Spur Bank** · 03-26-2017

Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht

Stat geeks are the worst thing to ever happen to the game of basketball. Failed to make varsity in their senior years because they were 5'6.... So they tried their hardest to be relevant by pushing out these fake news metrics

Totally agree! The relevant people are those who pump out 20,000+ posts of pure liquid s**t.

Edit to add: It's ironic because it's not even a joke. You actually are relevant in my life. I log in to spurstalk.com I see your name and I think Oh jeeze that idiot who spends his life online posted something dumb yet again. But you see a stats geek like me who does other things besides post online and you have no idea who I am.

**spursistan** · 03-27-2017

Impressive performance by Kawhi outdueling Lebron just as some fools were ready to drop him out of the MVP race...

Dubs and Thunder are next..Feels like the two most crucial two games left for him to get more MVP VOTES traction---and the Spurs, for that matter, in the Top seed race, which is essentially the second most important argument in Leonard case..

**~~dabom~~** · 03-27-2017

1-4.

**99 Problems** · 03-27-2017

Real MVP

**DPG21920** · 03-27-2017

Originally Posted by 99 Problems

Real MVP

If you're having voting problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but Kawhi for MVP ain't 1

**TheGreatYacht** · 03-27-2017

Zach Howe picked an interesting night to not tweet about basketball

**FkLA** · 03-27-2017

Someone with time should make a list of Kawhi's match-up vs some of the other top SFs. Pretty sure hes clearly outplayed all of them, and gotten the W just about every time as well.

**Benoit** · 03-29-2017

HES STILL SCARED TO DEATH OF MATT BARNES LMFAO

HAHAHAHAA

**gambit1990** · 04-06-2017

if you didn't know, mvp won't be announced until after the playoffs.

so i'm really curious when voting takes place. the playoffs will definitely affect who gets MVP if voting is afterwards (it shouldn't be).

**DPG21920** · 04-06-2017

Originally Posted by gambit1990

if you didn't know, mvp won't be announced until after the playoffs.

so i'm really curious when voting takes place. the playoffs will definitely affect who gets MVP if voting is afterwards (it shouldn't be).

Wow. Claims to watch NBA but doesn't know about MVP voting. NO, the playoffs do no impact the voting at all. Voting is done before playoffs. It's announced during playoffs, but the voting concludes before them.

**BatManu20** · 04-06-2017

Originally Posted by gambit1990

if you didn't know, mvp won't be announced until after the playoffs.

so i'm really curious when voting takes place. the playoffs will definitely affect who gets MVP if voting is afterwards (it shouldn't be).

Won't be announced until June 26th, along with every other award, but voting will be done before the playoffs begin.