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    Because you're fukin stupid if you believe that. This team would have 40 wins at best without Kawhi.
    Old shticks die hard, I guess.

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    If I could vote right now, by my own definition of MVP, I'd have to bite my lip and hand it to LayBruhn. Durant can't get it because he's a punk and got hurt a good chunk of the season, Westbrook can't because his 4th quarter playoff shooting and scoring. Kawhi choked against GSW regular season, seemed to be well on his way to choking against HOU before getting hurt. Harden showed choke tendencies all season, punctuated by last night. Kaang is the only dude that been putting up the numbers, and shining even moreso in the playoffs.

    I'd give it to LeBron and be cool with it.
    +1 for LeGOAT

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    Didn't it prove that Harden (Westbrook) aren't the MVP candidates?

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    Did it prove Pop is coach of the year worthy?

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    (If anything, the result showed how valuable James Harden is to the Rockets. When he vanishes while somehow leaving his corporeal form behind, Houston is doomed.)
    When the ballhog doesn't score, Houston struggles? Well, throw that man the ing MVP, then.

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    Why does Chinook always have it out for Kawhi? It's always "yeah he's really good but this or that". The reason the Spurs won yesterday was due to a mul ude of reasons that probably won't be repeated over the course of a season. That also wasn't really the beautiful game out there as Pop called a considerable amount of post-ups for the bigs.

    Stupid that idiots will use this against Kawhi. Not unexpected though.

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    Why does Chinook always have it out for Kawhi? It's always "yeah he's really good but this or that". The reason the Spurs win yesterday was due to a mul ude of reasons that probably won't be repeated over the course of a season. That also wasn't really the beautiful game out there as Pop called a considerable amount of post-ups for the bigs.
    I gave the writer's thesis and said why I disagreed with it. The idea that you have to think the Spurs outside Kawhi suck in order to pump Leonard up is toxic, honestly. You can be the MVP AND have a good/great supporting cast at the same time. That was pretty much my entire point. This Harden/Westbrook debate has ruined any credibility the award had because you can't overlook team success when talking about player value.

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    Did it prove Pop is coach of the year worthy?
    There's a legit chance that Harden and MDA both win over Leonard and Pop. That would be fun to see.

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    Why does Chinook always have it out for Kawhi? It's always "yeah he's really good but this or that". The reason the Spurs won yesterday was due to a mul ude of reasons that probably won't be repeated over the course of a season. That also wasn't really the beautiful game out there as Pop called a considerable amount of post-ups for the bigs.

    Stupid that idiots will use this against Kawhi. Not unexpected though.
    Been that way since 2012. He's never been a big fan of Leonard. Nothin new.

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    What makes extremely stupid and screams of double standard is..No one argued against Curry when the dubs were killing teams without Curry in the playoffs and he was Unanimous MVP.

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    More likely proves Harden wasn't.

    And that's not true, either.
    Much truer of Harden than Kawhi. If Kawhi steps on the court, he is going to give effort.

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    Eh, that's just semantics. They'd have a top7-10 record without him and make the playoffs. Portland is warmed over, and they made it easily this year.
    True. I just think some are getting a little too excited about last nights win and really believe the Spurs don't need Kawhi or are better off without him or with him coming off the bench or just being a 3&D guy. If harden had any heart and played with pride last night things might have turned out different. Pop said himself they are not as good as they looked and the rockets aren't that bad. Pop looked genuinely but pleasantly surprised about the win and how they won.

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    Media is just covering their asses because alot of them said harden was MVP and Kawhi was not.

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    True. I just think some are getting a little too excited about last nights win and really believe the Spurs don't need Kawhi or are better off without him or with him coming off the bench or just being a 3&D guy. If harden had any heart and played with pride last night things might have turned out different. Pop said himself they are not as good as they looked and the rockets aren't that bad. Pop looked genuinely but pleasantly surprised about the win and how they won.
    The jump from a "just okay" playoff team to a contender is huge, especially in this current NBA climate. It's much bigger than the jump from comfortable lottery team to first-round playoff fodder like what Russ did. The narrative around Westbrook has caused fans of multiple teams to try to disparage their roster in order to gain the edge. Obviously, the Cavs outside Lebron aren't , though they need him to get anywhere. The Celtics outside Thomas aren't particularly worse. Harden has legit NBA players next to him, though they shrivel up just like he does.

    I've said all year that Kawhi's the MVP because he's taken a Spurs team that would be slightly above mediocre and somehow put them in the conversation with super-stacked teams like GS and Cleveland. That's an almost unspeakably high level of value. It doesn't need to be cut by acting like the other 14 guys are terrible.

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    What makes extremely stupid and screams of double standard is..No one argued against Curry when the dubs were killing teams without Curry in the playoffs and he was Unanimous MVP.
    Precisely.

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    Clickbait-tier bull tbh

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    Why does Chinook always have it out for Kawhi? It's always "yeah he's really good but this or that". The reason the Spurs won yesterday was due to a mul ude of reasons that probably won't be repeated over the course of a season. That also wasn't really the beautiful game out there as Pop called a considerable amount of post-ups for the bigs.

    Stupid that idiots will use this against Kawhi. Not unexpected though.
    Funny how you don't say this with regards to TP. Spurs win game 3 without TP (even though he was huge in game 2) and everyone screams "see how much better they are without TP!! Told you his injury would not matter".

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    The jump from a "just okay" playoff team to a contender is huge, especially in this current NBA climate. It's much bigger than the jump from comfortable lottery team to first-round playoff fodder like what Russ did. The narrative around Westbrook has caused fans of multiple teams to try to disparage their roster in order to gain the edge. Obviously, the Cavs outside Lebron aren't , though they need him to get anywhere. The Celtics outside Thomas aren't particularly worse. Harden has legit NBA players next to him, though they shrivel up just like he does.

    I've said all year that Kawhi's the MVP because he's taken a Spurs team that would be slightly above mediocre and somehow put them in the conversation with super-stacked teams like GS and Cleveland. That's an almost unspeakably high level of value. It doesn't need to be cut by acting like the other 14 guys are terrible.
    I agree with you overall, but in the regular season for which the MVP award is based, the main core of guys underperformed both to expectations and statistics (LMA, TP, Manu, Danny, Pau). They are still good and are built pretty well, but that is the truth. You can underperform and still not suck though.

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    I agree with you overall, but in the regular season for which the MVP award is based, the main core of guys underperformed both to expectations and statistics (LMA, TP, Manu, Danny, Pau). They are still good and are built pretty well, but that is the truth. You can underperform and still not suck though.
    They were coasting. They pretty much won every big game that year. You can't do that if your team is .

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    Well, if the Spurs had played and won this Game 6 with LMA injured and Kawhi playing great, a lot of people on ST would have said: "See, they are better without Aldridge". Both are similarly ridiculous things to say.

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    There was not one consistent player besides maybe Patty in the RS. Prove me wrong got, Chinook

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    If you could show conclusively that the Spurs won regular season games without Kawhi, he would have a point. The MVP is a RS award, and it doesn't matter if the player doesn't score at all in the playoffs and his team goes on to win the championship.

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    Why does Chinook always have it out for Kawhi? It's always "yeah he's really good but this or that". The reason the Spurs won yesterday was due to a mul ude of reasons that probably won't be repeated over the course of a season. That also wasn't really the beautiful game out there as Pop called a considerable amount of post-ups for the bigs.

    Stupid that idiots will use this against Kawhi. Not unexpected though.
    That guy always want to take credit away from Kawhi. It's ing pathetic really.

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    They were coasting. They pretty much won every big game that year.
    Eh, I'm not sure if I buy that totally. TP for sure. Everyone else I don't think so. They were helping and definitely pitching in for wins but I think there were some legit struggles there. Doesn't take away from the team being seasoned and a nice blend of youth/upside, but not sure.

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    There was not one consistent player besides maybe Patty in the RS. Prove me wrong got, Chinook
    The only time when "consistent" and " " mean the same thing is when talking about your takes, son.

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