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    whats a kind of person who doesn't utilize services of pros utes?

    serious question. who would be exempt from this sort of characterization?
    Generally:

    Happily married people, or people with deeply held religious beliefs.

    Neither of which apply to Trump, who has a record of adultery, as well as a self-professed weakness for beautiful women do ented through various comments over a 4 decade period.

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    Nope.

    Characteristic of Russian long-game is they get their hooks into whoever they can, however they can in hopes that something pans out. The pattern of involvement with various people close to Trump fits that known modus operendi rather closely.

    They got lucky, as did Trump.
    Mkay

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    Mueller will get Trash's tax and financial history, and find that Pootin's mafiya bailed Trash out with $100Ms when he was going down for the 6th or 7th time and US banks wouldn't touch him anymore because he's perfectly TY businessman.

    Why THE were so many people close to Trash talking to the Russians?

    Were any other Repug Pres candidates making repeated contacts with the Russians?

    That's some really thick, stinky smoke hiding ...

    C O V E R U P !

    Repugs and TSA still obsessed with Hillary?

    emails!

    Benghazi!

    eating baby parts on pizza!


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    Mueller will get Trash's tax and financial history, and find that Pootin's mafiya bailed Trash out with $100Ms when he was going down for the 6th or 7th time and US banks wouldn't touch him anymore because he's perfectly TY businessman.

    Why THE were so many people close to Trash talking to the Russians?

    Were any other Repug Pres candidates making repeated contacts with the Russians?

    That's some really thick, stinky smoke hiding ...

    C O V E R U P !

    Repugs and TSA still obsessed with Hillary?

    emails!

    Benghazi!

    eating baby parts on pizza!


    Solid, reasoned take. Makes sense, tbh.

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    Comey Opens Door to Investigate Trump Dossier

    It's not clear the special counsel had authority to investigate the president personally. He does now.

    Hiding in plain sight in former FBI Director James Comey’s testimony Thursday before the Senate Intelligence Committee is a potentially major new avenue for special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation of Russia-related crimes: the possibility that President Donald Trump committed a federal crime by lying to Comey about his connections to Russia and activities on his 2013 visit there.

    It’s a crime to lie to a representative of the federal government. Thus, Mueller can now investigate the possibility of a criminal charge against Trump if he had any connection to Russia.

    And Trump’s denial, as reported by Comey, will also enable Mueller to do what the Federal Bureau of Investigation apparently has not done: investigate the questionable dossier claims that Trump was compromised by Russian intelligence on the basis of sexual escapades in Moscow.

    The key to this analysis is one completely new piece of information in Comey’s testimony. According to Comey, Trump told him on March 30 that Trump said “he had nothing to do with Russia” and “had not been involved with hookers in Russia.” These were responses to claims raised in a dossier compiled by former British spy Christopher Steele at the behest of Trump political opponents -- claims that have not been substantiated.

    This insistence by Trump is noteworthy, especially because Comey had already told Trump more than three months previously that the FBI had not opened a counterintelligence investigation of him on the basis of the dossier.

    Trump may simply have wanted to make sure that Comey didn’t believe the allegations. Or he may have wanted to emphasize his repeated request that Comey somehow announce that Trump wasn’t under FBI investigation.

    Regardless, Trump potentially put himself in legal jeopardy by making the statement unbidden by Comey. Under 18 U.S. Code Section 1001, it’s a federal crime to make “any materially false, fic ious, or fraudulent statement or representation” regarding “any matter within the jurisdiction” of the U.S. government.

    (rest of article here

    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...-trump-dossier
    Trump already told Comey to investigate the dossier he obviously isn't worried about it

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    keep clinging to what is, is
    Refusing to admit the truth. Sad!

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    We'll accept your retraction and apology for promoting fake news whenever you're ready.

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    Now, onto the collusion thing. How do you think that went down? It was a phishing email that requires the recipient to be a complete dumbass, i.e. there's no guarantee it will work. Did Trump tell the Russians to target Pedesta, because he's a moron?
    The dossier's overall implications concerning Trump's group is actually pretty mild. It does paint a very active effort on the part of Russian cyberwarfare elements, both official and unofficial (Putin "patriotic elements" i.e. plausible deniability for people who are, for all practical purposes part of that official element), that is where the emails came from.

    The Russians fed them what they thought they could, and used various interlocutors to channel information back and forth, mostly the kinds of things that any good opposition research would do. In return Putin seems to want information on various wealthy Russian oligarchs in the US, which he got.

    Page, Flynn, and Manafort figure prominently in this ongoing effort.

    As does, Cohen, and that is where the dossier's credibility takes its biggest hit, because it makes some vary specific claims about his activities that have not, thus far, panned out.

    My gut says that the author/source possibly got some of the details, such as the name wrong.

    Some of the other things, such as discussions between Putin and the ex-Ukranian president concerning the kick-back to Manafort have provided some small reinforcing information to previous reports.

    There is a fair amount to unpack, but that is the sum of it.

    Some of the things in there, such as Page's visit to Moscow, proved out, some like Cohen's trip to Prague didn't.

    It offers a good roadmap to an investigation though. It points out what rocks to look under.

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    The NYT was quoting Comey's memos the day before the Trump tweet.

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    A Nation Bursts Into Laughter As White House Responds To Comey By Declaring Trump Isn’t A Liar

    The country burst out laughing as the White House Deputy Press Secretary hid off camera for the press briefing while announcing that she can say "definitively" that Trump "is not a liar.




    While testifying before the Senate, former FBI Director James Comey called President Trump a liar while discussing the reasons the White House gave for his firing.The White House’s claim that Trump isn’t a liar is itself a lie.

    Trump is the biggest liar in presidential history.

    PolitiFact found that only 17% of Trump’s statements are true.


    There has never been a president with a more extensively proven track record of lying than Donald Trump.

    For the White House to stand in front of the country and defend Trump’s honesty, it demonstrates that

    no one working at the White House has a single shred of credibility.

    http://www.politicususa.com/2017/06/...iticus+USA+%29

    And the Repugs defend Trash and his WH.

    American oligarchy has ed America into un ability.





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    Generally:

    Happily married people, or people with deeply held religious beliefs.

    Neither of which apply to Trump, who has a record of adultery, as well as a self-professed weakness for beautiful women do ented through various comments over a 4 decade period.
    religious people dont get hookers? oh, ok

    happily married people don't get hookers? by all accounts eliot spitzer was happily married too

    this is such a dumb test that is beyond subjective

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    no trump tweets?


    he must be sedated.

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    Trump already told Comey to investigate the dossier he obviously isn't worried about it
    So not worried he had to repeat denials to the head of the FBI.

    Forgive me if I don't take Donald "Fraud University" Trump at anything he says.

    As I said, the dossier provides some good falsifiable leads and that is about it.

    Ultimately, the FBI would be very limited in what it can do to run down the existence of recordings of Donald "grab 'em by the pussy" Trump having sex with pros utes held by the FSB, which presumably would give the FBI some rather pointed directions about what to do with any request for materials.

    Not exactly a big deal there.

    The thing that should happen though is some careful screening of Trump interlocuters.

    The pattern of people close to Trump lying about their contacts with Russia is a huge red flag.

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    Is Donald Trump the kind of person who utilizes the services of pros utes?
    Is Donald Trump dumb enough to not realize he might be filmed doing it?
    Just lol ingl to your first question.
    To the second he's already assumed he was being recorded in Russia so I think it's safe to say he'd also think he was being filmed.


    I hope you keep pushing the golden showers story as it makes me crack up everytime

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    Comey said he leaked them because Trump said he had tapes---the tweet. The NYT was quoting Comey's memos the day before the Trump tweet. Not sure how or why you consider Comey lying during testimony brilliant.
    Is right or wrong?

    Hear different things.

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    So not worried he had to repeat denials to the head of the FBI.

    Forgive me if I don't take Donald "Fraud University" Trump at anything he says.

    As I said, the dossier provides some good falsifiable leads and that is about it.

    Ultimately, the FBI would be very limited in what it can do to run down the existence of recordings of Donald "grab 'em by the pussy" Trump having sex with pros utes held by the FSB, which presumably would give the FBI some rather pointed directions about what to do with any request for materials.

    Not exactly a big deal there.

    The thing that should happen though is some careful screening of Trump interlocuters.

    The pattern of people close to Trump lying about their contacts with Russia is a huge red flag.
    I'm sure you would repeatedly deny being part of a golden shower orgy that was all over the news too if you did not partake in one.

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    no trump tweets?

    he must be sedated.
    His lawyer has probably briefed him on the consequences of shooting his mouth off, and may have actually physically taken his phone from him.

    Interesting reports of his search for potential law firms to defend himself, in that they got turned down by people who didn't want their client going behind their backs.

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    religious people dont get hookers? oh, ok

    happily married people don't get hookers? by all accounts eliot spitzer was happily married too

    this is such a dumb test that is beyond subjective
    RandomGuy has stated numerous times he is far from a person with deeply held religious beliefs, in fact he has stated the exact opposite. I think it is safe to assume RandomGuy is the type of person to utilize pros utes.

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    Was the January dinner story in the memos yes or no?

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    Nope.

    Characteristic of Russian long-game is they get their hooks into whoever they can, however they can in hopes that something pans out. The pattern of involvement with various people close to Trump fits that known modus operendi rather closely.

    They got lucky, as did Trump.
    You must be thankful Hillary didn't win as she was neck deep in money from Russia

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    I'm sure you would repeatedly deny being part of a golden shower orgy that was all over the news too if you did not partake in one.
    Whether that was what happened is something I would not care to guess at. Russians will fake things if they think they can get away with it.

    My sense is that DT was that dumb, and did do something with pros utes, even if the golden shower thing was made up. It isn't much of a leap (more like a step) to find that plausible.

    RUMINT so often has a grain of truth to it.

    I would find this far less believable if Trump has not had his nose up Putins trousers.

    Find me one critical thing Trump has said about Putin.

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    You must be thankful Hillary didn't win as she was neck deep in money from Russia
    The Clinton foundation that spent all of that money on actual charity?

    I think the Russian's opinion of her was more than clear from their state run media, even if I assign any kind of tentative credibility to your theory for the sake of argument.

    The Russians hate Hillary with a passion, and that undermines any such argument you might make along those lines. I can provide some interesting reading if you want.
    Last edited by RandomGuy; 06-08-2017 at 05:00 PM.

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    *ding*

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    no trump tweets?


    he must be sedated.


    I read somewhere that his associates were telling him to keep busy and not focus on it. Also wouldn't be surprised if someone took his phone for extra precaution.

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    no trump tweets?


    he must be sedated.
    Water is on the burner. Will reach boil around 3am

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