Official 2017 Offseason Thread

[Chinook]

I will be annoyed if the Spurs dump Green just to give Pau his salary slot. I disagree with Paul, but at least I can see the appeal. But they better be willing to use all $35 Million if they deal him, not have Pau earmarked for $10 Million while trying to sell Chris on taking a discount.

[tonight...you]

Simmons will get offer on 1st of July.

I'm sure he will, hence why this team is doing what they're doing now and not later.

[tonight...you]

I will be annoyed if the Spurs dump Green just to give Pau his salary slot. I disagree with Paul, but at least I can see the appeal. But they better be willing to use all $35 Million if they deal him, not have Pau earmarked for $10 Million while trying to sell Chris on taking a discount.

This is going to be a difficult off-season, no matter what, for sure. See? This is why I'm trying to go that Zen Buddhist route...

[TD 21]

I love Green, but I don't think they need a commitment from Paul prior to moving him..as long as they feel confident that acquiring CP3 is a reality, it's worth losing Danny and opening up the cap space, regardless of whether Paul guarantees you he's coming or not..

As for George Hill, then ya, I would probably need a verbal commitment from him before moving Green for nothing..

That doesn't make any sense. So you'd not only trade Green just for the sake of it, but do so for "nothing"? If they miss on Paul, they'll have created a hole elsewhere for no reason.

All Paul needs to know is that there's a feasible path to the requisite cap space lined up, that would keep the majority of the roster intact. They don't literally need to have it by the meeting.

[Hoops Czar]

I will be annoyed if the Spurs dump Green just to give Pau his salary slot. I disagree with Paul, but at least I can see the appeal. But they better be willing to use all $35 Million if they deal him, not have Pau earmarked for $10 Million while trying to sell Chris on taking a discount.

Assuming the Spurs can lure Paul into a 1+1 deal with the Spurs, what would it take for the Spurs to land a second marquee FA in 2018?

[Hoops Czar]

That doesn't make any sense. So you'd not only trade Green just for the sake of it, but do so for "nothing"? If they miss on Paul, they'll have created a hole elsewhere for no reason.

All Paul needs to know is that there's a feasible path to the requisite cap space lined up, that would keep the majority of the roster intact. They don't literally need to have it by the meeting.

I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. He might be a huge Bryn Forbes fan.

[Chinook]

Assuming the Spurs can lure Paul into a 1+1 deal with the Spurs, what would it take for the Spurs to land a second marquee FA in 2018?

An S&T most likely. Like the Hawks are asking for a Millsap deal. Using Parker or Pau as ballast for that would be a way to add another big contract. But of course, it's not likely.

[Chinook]

That doesn't make any sense. So you'd not only trade Green just for the sake of it, but do so for "nothing"? If they miss on Paul, they'll have created a hole elsewhere for no reason.

All Paul needs to know is that there's a feasible path to the requisite cap space lined up, that would keep the majority of the roster intact. They don't literally need to have it by the meeting.

I would not dump Green for nothing. But I'd rather move him for a decent pick now (like a mid-first) and end up getting nobody than waiting for a commitment from Pau or whomever before dumping him for nothing.

[tonight...you]

I would not dump Green for nothing. But I'd rather move him for a decent pick now (like a mid-first) and end up getting nobody than waiting for a commitment from Pau or whomever before dumping him for nothing.

Trading DG for a near-lottery pick would be so ideal, if they are dead-set on trading him. I doubt that happens, but darn, I would like to see it, should they trade him.

[BatManu20]

[HarlemHeat37]

That doesn't make any sense. So you'd not only trade Green just for the sake of it, but do so for "nothing"? If they miss on Paul, they'll have created a hole elsewhere for no reason.

All Paul needs to know is that there's a feasible path to the requisite cap space lined up, that would keep the majority of the roster intact. They don't literally need to have it by the meeting.

They wouldn't be getting nothing IMO..shouldn't have trouble getting a 1st round pick or high 2nd(which is essentially nothing but still ) + losing Green makes it more likely that the Spurs retain Simmons..

I don't think the risk is that great, tbh..I'd rather get something early than wait for verbal guarantees and commitments deep into free agency..

[Mr. Body]

I'd think Green would pull an asset in trade, but the league will know the team is desperate and the Spurs will likely try to get him to a good spot for him anyway.

[Chinook]

With Splitter, there were rumblings that he was very popular during the 2015 draft. I'm not sure if that was as a dump or an asset, though. If the latter, I think the Spurs made a sizable mistake in waiting. No reason to piss away trade value.

[coachmac87]

[tonight...you]

My man...

[Hoops Czar]

Whatever gets him off the air at ESPN. Every time he opened his mouth, he struck me as someone who didn't know what he was talking about and now he's going to be entering a job that requires him to know stuff.

Lebron

[TD 21]

I would not dump Green for nothing. But I'd rather move him for a decent pick now (like a mid-first) and end up getting nobody than waiting for a commitment from Pau or whomever before dumping him for nothing.

Only an idiot would. Green is absolutely worth a decent pick or prospect and that's not changing with a verbal commitment from Paul. Sure, teams would know Spurs need (supposedly) to dump him at that point, but that wouldn't diminish his value. He's clearly more valuable than Splitter was.

They wouldn't be getting nothing IMO..shouldn't have trouble getting a 1st round pick + losing Green makes it more likely that the Spurs retain Simmons..

I don't think the risk is that great, tbh..I'd rather get something early than wait for verbal guarantees and commitments deep into free agency..

You said nothing.

He's an in his prime (age wise, at least) 3 and D wing, with a relative bargain of a contract (granted, for only 1 more year), a championship pedigree and a penchant for raising his game in the playoffs. No matter what happens in free agency, he's fetching the same beforehand that he'd fetch a few days into it, especially considering Paul, as the premiere free agent who isn't a lock to re-sign, probably at least somewhat holds up the market.

There's literally no reason to move him beforehand and they'd be insane to do so without knowing Paul is coming.

[sasaint]

Whatever gets him off the air at ESPN. Every time he opened his mouth, he struck me as someone who didn't know what he was talking about and now he's going to be entering a job that requires him to know stuff.

Lebron

You nailed it!

[tonight...you]

Only an idiot would. Green is absolutely worth a decent pick or prospect and that's not changing with a verbal commitment from Paul. Sure, teams would know Spurs need (supposedly) to dump him at that point, but that wouldn't diminish his value. He's clearly more valuable than Splitter was.




You said nothing.

He's an in his prime (age wise, at least) 3 and D wing, with a relative bargain of a contract (granted, for only 1 more year), a championship pedigree and a penchant for raising his game in the playoffs. No matter what happens in free agency, he's fetching the same beforehand that he'd fetch a few days into it, especially considering Paul, as the premiere free agent who isn't a lock to re-sign, probably at least somewhat holds up the market.

There's literally no reason to move him beforehand and they'd be insane to do so without knowing Paul is coming.

Good points.

[Chinook]

Only an idiot would. Green is absolutely worth a decent pick or prospect and that's not changing with a verbal commitment from Paul. Sure, teams would know Spurs need (supposedly) to dump him at that point, but that wouldn't diminish his value. He's clearly more valuable than Splitter was.

Trading him for a pick means you get to use that pick. So say the Spurs want Collins. Detroit at 12 wants Green, and Collins is on the board until he gets picked by Chicago at 15. If the Spurs wait until the summer, they don't have the option to get Collins, only whomever the Pistons have. They have no idea if Chicago would even want Green enough to trade Collins, or even if they did if they can offer the same extra terms.

[tonight...you]

Trading him for a pick means you get to use that pick. So say the Spurs want Collins. Detroit at 12 wants Green, and Collins is on the board until he gets picked by Chicago at 15. If the Spurs wait until the summer, they don't have the option to get Collins, only whomever the Pistons have. They have no idea if Chicago would even want Green enough to trade Collins, or even if they did if they can offer the same extra terms.

Good counter-point.

[sasaint]

I would not dump Green for nothing. But I'd rather move him for a decent pick now (like a mid-first) and end up getting nobody than waiting for a commitment from Pau or whomever before dumping him for nothing.

If the Spurs did acquire a mid-first for Danny, that opens up a new scenario. Would the Spurs want to keep two firsts or trade up to a single first round pick?

[HarlemHeat37]

Only an idiot would. Green is absolutely worth a decent pick or prospect and that's not changing with a verbal commitment from Paul. Sure, teams would know Spurs need (supposedly) to dump him at that point, but that wouldn't diminish his value. He's clearly more valuable than Splitter was.




You said nothing.

He's an in his prime (age wise, at least) 3 and D wing, with a relative bargain of a contract (granted, for only 1 more year), a championship pedigree and a penchant for raising his game in the playoffs. No matter what happens in free agency, he's fetching the same beforehand that he'd fetch a few days into it, especially considering Paul, as the premiere free agent who isn't a lock to re-sign, probably at least somewhat holds up the market.

There's literally no reason to move him beforehand and they'd be insane to do so without knowing Paul is coming.

I meant nothing as in moving him without the reward of eventually acquiring Paul or Hill or somebody else I'm obviously aware of Green's credentials, I defend him here as much as anybody outside of Chinook..

[TD 21]

Trading him for a pick means you get to use that pick. So say the Spurs want Collins. Detroit at 12 wants Green, and Collins is on the board until he gets picked by Chicago at 15. If the Spurs wait until the summer, they don't have the option to get Collins, only whomever the Pistons have. They have no idea if Chicago would even want Green enough to trade Collins, or even if they did if they can offer the same extra terms.

I understand, I just think that's too risky and Pistons don't have enough cap space to absorb Green's salary. Think Spurs would at least have to have an inkling Paul is coming to do that. Even if he is, it would suck bad enough to trade Green, let alone have to wait a year to get a pick, but I'd rather do it that way if need be.

[SAGirl]

So, we may be heading down the JSimms road.

Exactly what I thought.
They will make a run at CP3, but if not, G..Hill and Simmons is it.