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    He is a young earth creationists. Dumb as dog biscuits.
    Drives me nuts. There are no undersized bigs as the most dominant big is an undersized big.
    Can you name some dominate undersized bigs who are over 32 y/o.

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    My goodness, check out this article guys:

    https://www.sbnation.com/2017/6/28/1...aul-salary-cap

    Why the Rockets traded for every fringe NBA player known to man

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    This was an incredibly creative way to make the Chris Paul trade work under NBA rules.

    The Houston Rockets spent Wednesday doing two very different things. One of those things was a blockbuster deal to bring Chris Paul to town. The other was a mad rush to acquire every fringe roster player under the sun in exchange for cash considerations.


    In the span of a few hours, the Rockets took on DeAndre Liggins from the Mavericks, Ryan Kelly from the Hawks, Tim Quarterman from the Blazers, Darrun Hilliard from the Pistons, and Shawn Long from the 76ers. More moves like that could be on the way, as other teams rush to get in on what ESPN’s Brian Windhorst called a “salary-cap manipulation masterpiece” by the Rockets.
    Ever heard of those guys? Not many folks have. To get them, all the Rockets needed to send out was sweet, sweet cash:

    So what are the Rockets up to, anyway? Why are they suddenly so interested in collecting as many fringe NBA players as possible?

    It’s related to Chris Paul.
    The Rockets used some combination of these players to complete the Paul trade

    NBA rules state that teams that are over the cap must craft trades where the salaries are within 120 percent of each other. The Rockets operated as an over-the-cap team to acquire Paulbecause they were never going to get far enough under the cap this summer to sign him outright in free agency.
    But the basic structure of the Paul deal — Patrick Beverley, Lou Williams, Sam Dekker, Montrezl Harrell, and a 2018 first-round pick — did not offer enough salary to meet the 125 percent threshold. Paul was opting in to a $24.2 million contract next year, plus he was en led to a 15 percent trade kicker that bumped his salary up further. (He ultimately elected to waive most of it to help the Rockets out). Beverley, Williams, and Dekker only add up to $15.3 million in salary, which is well below the 120 percent threshold.
    Houston needed to add more outgoing money to complete the deal. They could do this by attaching another big salary, but they actually want to keep those players around. So, the Rockets adopted a different approach: Aggregate as many tiny salaries as possible, preferably ones that are non-guaranteed so the Clippers could simply waive the player upon arrival with no cap hit.

    Which NBA players have tiny, non-guaranteed salaries? Fringe NBA players!

    The minimum cap figure for an NBA player is projected to be about $543,000, depending on where the final salary projection falls. The Rockets already had two such players on their roster in Isaiah Taylor and Kyle Wiltjer. Both players have deals that are completely unguaranteed. Chinanu Onuaku also has a minimum salary, though it is guaranteed.
    But even combining those three players doesn’t get the Rockets to the 120 percent threshold once you account for Paul’s trade kicker. Hence, the trade for Kelly. Hence, the trade for Quarterman. Hence, the trade for Liggins. Hence, the trade for Hillard. Hence the trade for Long. All but Liggins have non-guaranteed minimum salaries, so the Clippers can take them in during the trade, then immediately waive them with no penalty.
    Ultimately, the Rockets included Wiltjer, Hillard, and Liggins in this trade. The other newcomers are still on the Rockets’ roster. We’ll explain why in a minute.


    What did those teams get in return? Sweet, sweet cash (plus, in the 76ers’ case, a second-round pick that’s probably heavily protected). NBA rules allow teams to include up to $3.5 million cash each year to throw in trades. It’s unclear how much money is changing hands in each individual deal, but it’s likely enough to cover the salaries the Hawks, Pistons, Blazers, 76ers, and Mavericks were going to pay Kelly, Hillard, Quarterman, Long, and Liggins anyway.
    A few-hundred-thousand-dollar cap hit here, a few-hundred-thousand-dollar cap hit there, and suddenly the Rockets had enough money to match salary in a trade for Paul, especially since Paul agreed to waive most of his 15 percent trade kicker.
    In the end, Houston didn’t need all of these players to make this deal happen. So, what of the minimum-salaried players left over? What of Kelly, Quarterman, and Long?
    One option is for the Rockets to keep them. Another, though, is to use them later on to help grease the wheels of another big trade. Like, say, Paul George or Carmelo Anthony?

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    Great article. Thanks for posting it. I'm pretty sure the Spurs will be equally creative in transforming their roster this summer.

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    This is the Spurs cap situation as I see it:

    Name 2017-18 Salary
    LaMarcus Aldridge $21,461,010
    Kawhi Leonard $18,868,625
    Tony Parker $15,453,126
    Danny Green $10,000,000
    Kyle Anderson $2,151,704
    Tim Duncan (stretched) $1,881,250
    Derrick White $1,697,225
    Jonathan Simmons (QO) $1,676,735
    Dejounte Murray $1,312,611
    Davis Bertans $1,312,611
    Bryn Forbes $1,312,611
    Livio Jean-Charles (waived) $1,035,200
    Roster Charge $815,615
    Roster Charge $815,615
    Total $79,793,938
    Cap Space $19,206,062

    With Pau coming back, it's very possible that the best PG the Spurs can afford is Patty. Their interest in Rose may well be trying to get him on the cheap. My guess is they have $10 Million to offer, maybe $12 Million if Pau is planning on retiring after this season.

    That's sad, because I'd rather have a guy like Teague, but not at the expense or Green or LMA.

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    The Spurs are gunna dump LMA for cap space. Just a matter of time.

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    Was thinking of Rudy as an MLE candidate. Not necessarily for SA, but for some team. In his old form, he's not a bad investment for the price at all. He can get his own shot and is big enough to play the four. Could be a sixth-man type player.

    No idea why he'll be here for the meetings, though.

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    Likely, yes. But it would depend on their salaries.
    If Spurs could pull it off, that would be a really really solid off season.

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    Was thinking of Rudy as an MLE candidate. Not necessarily for SA, but for some team. In his old form, he's not a bad investment for the price at all. He can get his own shot and is big enough to play the four. Could be a sixth-man type player.

    No idea why he'll be here for the meetings, though.
    That is strange that he's in Austin

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    This is the Spurs cap situation as I see it:

    Name 2017-18 Salary
    LaMarcus Aldridge $21,461,010
    Kawhi Leonard $18,868,625
    Tony Parker $15,453,126
    Danny Green $10,000,000
    Kyle Anderson $2,151,704
    Tim Duncan (stretched) $1,881,250
    Derrick White $1,697,225
    Jonathan Simmons (QO) $1,676,735
    Dejounte Murray $1,312,611
    Davis Bertans $1,312,611
    Bryn Forbes $1,312,611
    Livio Jean-Charles (waived) $1,035,200
    Roster Charge $815,615
    Roster Charge $815,615
    Total $79,793,938
    Cap Space $19,206,062

    With Pau coming back, it's very possible that the best PG the Spurs can afford is Patty. Their interest in Rose may well be trying to get him on the cheap. My guess is they have $10 Million to offer, maybe $12 Million if Pau is planning on retiring after this season.

    That's sad, because I'd rather have a guy like Teague, but not at the expense or Green or LMA.
    PG isn't a priority for them, unless it's a scoring PG who can play D and will come at a reasonable price. This offseason is going to be about front court help and perimeter scoring/D.

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    Was thinking of Rudy as an MLE candidate. Not necessarily for SA, but for some team. In his old form, he's not a bad investment for the price at all. He can get his own shot and is big enough to play the four. Could be a sixth-man type player.

    No idea why he'll be here for the meetings, though.
    That is strange that he's in Austin
    Everyone has a house/condo in Austin these days.

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    PG isn't a priority for them, unless it's a scoring PG who can play D and will come at a reasonable price. This offseason is going to be about front court help and perimeter scoring/D.
    Sounds like the priority is PG to me. Of course, if you're assuming LMA is gone, then big becomes a huge need, but a lot of things change if LMA's $21 Million is off the books.

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    Sounds like the priority is PG to me. Of course, if you're assuming LMA is gone, then big becomes a huge need, but a lot of things change if LMA's $21 Million is off the books.
    I agree with Aggie Hoopsfan, Kawhi will handle the ball more and more thus diminishing the importance of the traditional point guard.

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    How about Milsap and Hill?

    Murray, Hill, Green, Kawhi, Milsap small ball

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    To play around with the cap a bit more, let's say they dump LMA for no salary and let Simmons walk. That would give them $42.3 Million in space, provided they were using that space to sign three players.

    The least I could see Pau taking is $8.57 Million (first year of a $27M/3 deal). That leaves SA with $33.7 Million to offer the best PF and PG they can get. Ideally, that'd be Millsap and Teague. Teague, Green, Leonard, Millsap and Pau could run the offense the way it used to be run. You get Lee back as the bench C with Bertans, Anderson, White and Murray, and you'll get some pieces for a "beautiful game".

    The D, though would be suspect with no big able to really protect the rim. Maybe a healthy Tiago over Lee could help.

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    I agree with Aggie Hoopsfan, Kawhi will handle the ball more and more thus diminishing the importance of the traditional point guard.
    Kawhi better not handle it even more. His usage certainly wasn't the problem. I agree that a ball-dominant PG would not be good for him or the team. But he needs a robin on the perimeter.

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    Spurs get: Robert Covington, Richaun Holmes
    Sixers get: Danny Green

    Spurs shed around $8M of cap, and get two potential starters. Sixers fill their biggest need and save themselves from paying Re 18M/per

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    Kawhi better not handle it even more. His usage certainly wasn't the problem. I agree that a ball-dominant PG would not be good for him or the team. But he needs a robin on the perimeter.
    Never said he didn't need a robin.... I said he will be the initiator/catalyst of the offense more than in the past.

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    Isn't Covington a UFA?

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    Not so much about the IT sales, who cares. It's just funny being above the Lakers in team merchandise sales.


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    Damn Spurs should have hedged their bets and bought the pick that got the Clippers Juwan Evans. Between White, Murray and Evans a viable PG would have likely emerged and Evans certainly would have been a better true PG than Mills and Evans would be a whole lot cheaper even with the cost of the pick. Idiots.

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    Isn't Covington a UFA?
    Sixers exercised their team option 2 weeks ago

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    Spurs get: Robert Covington, Richaun Holmes
    Sixers get: Danny Green

    Spurs shed around $8M of cap, and get two potential starters. Sixers fill their biggest need and save themselves from paying Re 18M/per
    If 76ers bite on that it is a no brainer from a spurs perspective if win now mode is the strategy for next season. It's my understanding that they are high on covington, so philly might not be willing to give him up. However, I have seen conflicting reports regarding covington. It might be they don't want to pay him next offeason and want to get something in return for him before he walks for a bigger payday.

    So it would really hinge on a cost benefit analysis. Would philly be confident they could sign danny next summer to a cheaper contract than covington?

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    Spurs get: Robert Covington, Richaun Holmes
    Sixers get: Danny Green

    Spurs shed around $8M of cap, and get two potential starters. Sixers fill their biggest need and save themselves from paying Re 18M/per
    I don't think the Sixers would do this trade if we tossed in our 2018 first round pick.

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    i was under the impression that philly was working on a contract extension for covington.

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    Chris Paul had serious interest in signing with the San Antonio Spurs, according to a source.Paul felt the uncertainty with LaMarcus Aldridge's situation made the Spurs a less attractive option. The presence of Tony Parker, who is rehabbing a quad injury, also would have made it awkward for Paul.
    Paul instead orchestrated an opt-in and trade to go to the Houston Rockets.
    After the Los Angeles Clippers were eliminated in the first round of the playoffs, a source told The Undefeated that a key to his return was playing for a winning team. Paul was open to re-signing with the Clippers, but was concerned they were more likely to regress than progress as a team.
    “Chris believes that Houston gives him the best chance to win now,” a source close to Paul said.

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