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sources reporting that interest in Holiday is tepid at best and that he is likely to remain in NO as a result.
And they won't do anything about it. Durant was recruited in the playoffs. The league Office did nothing about.
sources reporting that interest in Holiday is tepid at best and that he is likely to remain in NO as a result.
CP3
Harden/Gordon
Ariza
Anderson
Capella/Nene
Doesn't really look that depleted, especially considering Pringles runs a 7-8 player rotation normally. They gave up Beverley and Dekker who were rotational players for Paul, the rest were fillers and nobodies. I wouldn't really say they gutted or depleted their roster tbh
Wow. Is he saying that no-one has much interest in him?
Exactly.
The Hawks got fined because a staffer mentioned that CP3 and Dwight Howard were going to be free agents, in a letter to potential season ticket buyers. Sacramento's coach got in trouble for saying, "Chris Paul would look good in a Kings' uniform". Players are supposed to be just as tightly restricted. I think the owners are going to have to push him on it.
A year out of the league and loss of Bird rights, for instance, would probably be enough as a threat to make them not want to risk it. They'll never say anything like that, but they could stop most of the collusion if they wanted to.
sorry, it was not woj but sporting news. this is what i read:
Jrue Holiday’s free-agency options are getting limited, and the odds are improving that he winds up staying put in New Orleans. According to league sources, some of the potential Holiday suitors have seen their interest drop off in recent weeks, and a glut of point guards available either by trade (Ricky Rubio, Eric Bledsoe) or free agency (George Hill, Jeff Teague) has watered down the market.
– via Sporting News
I'm high on James Johnson. My brother is a heat fan and he enjoyed having him this season and wants him back for next season. He's pretty versatile and could be great for cheap.
I was thinking the same thing..
Whole thing seemed odd.
Two weeks ago Beverly went nuts on twitter saying he's probably getting traded..Dekker then tweets for him to "chill"..
Lou Will tweeted he wasn't surprised for trade cause he's known fo two weeks..
Clippers sure didn't act like or know Paul was gone until he met with them earlier this week
That's too rich wanting Myles Turner. I don't think he will be offered in any trade.
indy is not going to get rid of turner knowing that PG is as good as gone.
Just mentioned it in another thread. The Rockets finished the year (playoffs) with Lou Williams. He played 2,000 minutes total last year, and he would have played that many with the Rockets this year. Remember that the best team the Rockets could put on the court included Williams, and that team lost. Losing both him and Beverly, at 2,000 minutes each means that they are going to be putting someone on the floor who is not as good. One step forward and two steps back.
Last edited by GSH; 06-29-2017 at 12:02 PM.
thanks for sharing.My goodness, check out this article guys:
https://www.sbnation.com/2017/6/28/1...aul-salary-cap
Why the Rockets traded for every fringe NBA player known to man
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This was an incredibly creative way to make the Chris Paul trade work under NBA rules.
The Houston Rockets spent Wednesday doing two very different things. One of those things was a blockbuster deal to bring Chris Paul to town. The other was a mad rush to acquire every fringe roster player under the sun in exchange for cash considerations.
In the span of a few hours, the Rockets took on DeAndre Liggins from the Mavericks, Ryan Kelly from the Hawks, Tim Quarterman from the Blazers, Darrun Hilliard from the Pistons, and Shawn Long from the 76ers. More moves like that could be on the way, as other teams rush to get in on what ESPN’s Brian Windhorst called a “salary-cap manipulation masterpiece” by the Rockets.
Ever heard of those guys? Not many folks have. To get them, all the Rockets needed to send out was sweet, sweet cash:
So what are the Rockets up to, anyway? Why are they suddenly so interested in collecting as many fringe NBA players as possible?
It’s related to Chris Paul.
The Rockets used some combination of these players to complete the Paul trade
NBA rules state that teams that are over the cap must craft trades where the salaries are within 120 percent of each other. The Rockets operated as an over-the-cap team to acquire Paulbecause they were never going to get far enough under the cap this summer to sign him outright in free agency.
But the basic structure of the Paul deal — Patrick Beverley, Lou Williams, Sam Dekker, Montrezl Harrell, and a 2018 first-round pick — did not offer enough salary to meet the 125 percent threshold. Paul was opting in to a $24.2 million contract next year, plus he was en led to a 15 percent trade kicker that bumped his salary up further. (He ultimately elected to waive most of it to help the Rockets out). Beverley, Williams, and Dekker only add up to $15.3 million in salary, which is well below the 120 percent threshold.
Houston needed to add more outgoing money to complete the deal. They could do this by attaching another big salary, but they actually want to keep those players around. So, the Rockets adopted a different approach: Aggregate as many tiny salaries as possible, preferably ones that are non-guaranteed so the Clippers could simply waive the player upon arrival with no cap hit.
Which NBA players have tiny, non-guaranteed salaries? Fringe NBA players!
The minimum cap figure for an NBA player is projected to be about $543,000, depending on where the final salary projection falls. The Rockets already had two such players on their roster in Isaiah Taylor and Kyle Wiltjer. Both players have deals that are completely unguaranteed. Chinanu Onuaku also has a minimum salary, though it is guaranteed.
But even combining those three players doesn’t get the Rockets to the 120 percent threshold once you account for Paul’s trade kicker. Hence, the trade for Kelly. Hence, the trade for Quarterman. Hence, the trade for Liggins. Hence, the trade for Hillard. Hence the trade for Long. All but Liggins have non-guaranteed minimum salaries, so the Clippers can take them in during the trade, then immediately waive them with no penalty.
Ultimately, the Rockets included Wiltjer, Hillard, and Liggins in this trade. The other newcomers are still on the Rockets’ roster. We’ll explain why in a minute.
What did those teams get in return? Sweet, sweet cash (plus, in the 76ers’ case, a second-round pick that’s probably heavily protected). NBA rules allow teams to include up to $3.5 million cash each year to throw in trades. It’s unclear how much money is changing hands in each individual deal, but it’s likely enough to cover the salaries the Hawks, Pistons, Blazers, 76ers, and Mavericks were going to pay Kelly, Hillard, Quarterman, Long, and Liggins anyway.
A few-hundred-thousand-dollar cap hit here, a few-hundred-thousand-dollar cap hit there, and suddenly the Rockets had enough money to match salary in a trade for Paul, especially since Paul agreed to waive most of his 15 percent trade kicker.
In the end, Houston didn’t need all of these players to make this deal happen. So, what of the minimum-salaried players left over? What of Kelly, Quarterman, and Long?
One option is for the Rockets to keep them. Another, though, is to use them later on to help grease the wheels of another big trade. Like, say, Paul George or Carmelo Anthony?
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Spurs could have sold rights to Forbes for cash considerations according to that article. He was due just slightly over 1 million in a non-guaranteed deal.. but Spurs elected not to do that bc they like him... he's due to practice in their summer league and they still have hopes for him. I just thought I'd mention it bc often these guys (and other young players) are thrown into any possible deal by guys here just to get them off the team. That's not going to happen.
I disagree on that, don't really think Lou Williams will be a big loss for them, they still have Gordon to fill the 6th man role and Williams was a luxury for them, though I honestly forgot he was apart of the deal. So they did trade some solid pieces, but imo they didn't do anything to jeopardize themselves. Williams/Dekker/Beverley are all solid players but they got an all-star, 1st team all-defense PG to replace Bev and Rockets will find someone to plug in off the bench to eat of Williams' minutes.
Jrue might just be available after all.
The problem is, they lost TWO guys who played 2,000 minutes last season, and got back a guy who played 1,900. (Which is about right, at CP3's age.) Williams only played part of the season with the rockets, but he played at exactly a 2,000 minute pace. Beverly actually played at a 2,400 minute pace, but he only played in 67 games.
I'm not under-valuing CP3. But those two guys played just as many minutes in the playoffs. So that was the best team that the Rockets could put on the floor. CP3 can make up for one. Someone else has to make up for the other. If Gordon steps up to that, then someone has to fill Gordon's 6th man minutes. See the problem? If CP3 is going to make them better overall, they have to fill in a lot of minutes with players just as good. We'll see if they can do that.
I hope Spurs don't keep Patty frankly. It doesn't make sense to draft White, and still have Forbes to develop and then on top of that Dijon and a returning from injury Tony. They are covered in PG at this point with talent. Patty has peaked and is looking to get paid. I have to disagree with you in wanting Patty back. I think Patty is gone, and I wish him well.
As for LMA, I know you are in the camp that hopes he is still here next season but he likely won't be.
Dear lord, please let another team offer Patty an outrageous contract he can't refuse.
Morey is a good GM who knows how to fill his roster, I have no doubts they will fill the void on the bench (though it won't be anyone as good most likely). But if they're going all in for Melo/George like the rumors have it, they may not really care about their punch off the bench as the may feel CP3/Harden/Melo or George/Anderson/Capella is enough firepower. A good bench is nice to have but for a coach like D'antoni who only plays 8 guys in the playoffs, i think they'll be fine
I think kony is right on this one.
I'd take him if the Spurs are still trying to win now, tbh..I'd rather have him than Millsap if his price is significantly lower..
He won't be a role player, though, he's a legit point forward..Spurs desperately miss playmaking in the front court IMO..very good defender, low mileage, improving shooter..
Might be too tough for the Spurs, though(he's the most frightening player in the league, right now)..Pop doesn't like those types, as we saw with Dedmon(probably disliked when Bertans got in a scuffle, too)
I'm not big on patty being a mainstay for a big contract, but against warriors, curry admitted they sold out their entire defense just to stop his shot. He was admittedly frustrated and overwhelmed by it, but that points more to the lack of playmaking surrounding the spurs. White and dejounte are both about 6'5 and have the length to play the 2, and guard the 2 easily. People need to get over the position defining mindset, as it just doesn't really exist these days. You have guards and forwards pretty much. They can all interchange as well.
That being said, Patty seems to crumble against gsw . He loses confidence so fast against them. Murray, attacked relentless and seemed up to the challenge. I feel like he could develop heavily with playing time much like kawhi. Add bertans, hanga, and blossom as a possible small ball center and things look interesting.
If all these young guys stay on, i think the spurs are definitely an upgrade over last year where we just had no one outside of kawhi who could make iso plays for most the season. Even in the beautiful game, Duncan, Boris, parker and manu could all create their own offense and then play off that for teammates. Kawhi doesn't have that momentarily. These young hungry players might change the persona the intimidated crew had last year.
If Bogut is healthy he might be a decent defensive big that could be had cheap.
My only concern with that is he has proven to be good enough with the ball in his hands and Kawhi has the ball in his hands at a forward position.I'd take him if the Spurs are still trying to win now, tbh..I'd rather have him than Millsap if his price is significantly lower..
He won't be a role player, though, he's a legit point forward..Spurs desperately miss playmaking in the front court IMO..very good defender, low mileage, improving shooter..
Might be too tough for the Spurs, though(he's the most frightening player in the league, right now)..Pop doesn't like those types, as we saw with Dedmon(probably disliked when Bertans got in a scuffle, too
I like his game. Some Highlights from last season.I'd take him if the Spurs are still trying to win now, tbh..I'd rather have him than Millsap if his price is significantly lower..
He won't be a role player, though, he's a legit point forward..Spurs desperately miss playmaking in the front court IMO..very good defender, low mileage, improving shooter..
Might be too tough for the Spurs, though(he's the most frightening player in the league, right now)..Pop doesn't like those types, as we saw with Dedmon(probably disliked when Bertans got in a scuffle, too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVQ0RuvZiy8
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