Official 2017 Offseason Thread

**Hoops Czar** · 07-05-2017

Here are the teams with cap space who could theoretically still sign Simmons to a bigger offer sheet. Feels like NY and Sac are the two biggest threats. Possibly LAL or Mia:

Atlanta - $22 million in space assuming they renounce everyone and more if Crawford is moved / bought out. But would Bud do that to Pop?

Brooklyn - $30 million in space and more if they buy guys out. Already made offer to Porter but will get matched. Doubt Marks does it to Pop too.

Chicago - including Mirtotic, Markkanen and Lauvergne holds, they effectively have $10 million in space. Not enough to make huge offer above the MLE.

Dallas - including Noel hold and assuming they sign Dirk to a lesser deal (say $10 million to be super aggressive), they'll have about $8 million of room. That can be pushed higher by $5 million or so with a bunch of non-guaranteed contracts. Simmons isn't really a fit though, but Cuban could do it to hurt Spurs.

Denver - removing Hibbert cap hold, they're right under the cap.

Indiana - $13 million in cap space if they renounce CJ Miles or someone signs him, and $3 million more if they dump Seraphin/Christmas. Less if they keep CJ Miles.

LA Lakers - $17 million in cap space now that Black got waived.

Miami - tons of cap space with Bosh removed. James Johnson only has $4.8 million cap hold if they keep him. Excluding non-guaranteed guys but including Johnson, they have around $35 million in cap space. This could be a year Riley tries ac ulating draft assets instead from teams looking to clear books. Could be a risk too of an offer sheet.

- Minnesota - less than $6 million assuming everyone is renounced. So not much space

- New York - including their draft pick, about $17 million in cap space. Could be a risk of an offer sheet and we know they've met with Simmons.

- Philadelphia - around $14 million of cap space even after Re /Johnson. Hopefully Brown and the FO don't put the Spurs into a tough spot like last year with Manu. Simmons doesn't really fit what they're trying to do though - won't want to lock up long term money.

- Phoenix - has told teams that they're standing pat, although they have a good $24 million in room excluding Alex Len (who wants him anyway)? Not a fit with Simmons as long as they have Bledsoe and Knight. I see them in a similar spot to Miami, trying to ac ulate some assets knowing the team is a few pieces away.

Sacramento - $24 million in space so could be a real threat to use their space.

Utah - seems that they used up cap space on Ingles but could they keep his lower number on the books in interim? Still will be hard to have tons of cap room.

Capped out teams:
- Boston - used up space on Hayward
- Charlotte - approaching the tax with a yuck roster. Go look for yourself
- Cleveland
- Detroit
- Golden State - MLE gone with Swaggy P
- Houston - also used up MLE already
- LA Clippers
- Memphis - used up MLE on McLemore
- Milwaukee
- New Orleans
- Oklahoma City
- Sacramento
- Toronto - way into the tax
- Washington

You went through every team but skipped the Spurs?

**gambit1990** · 07-05-2017

do not want olynyk.

**objective** · 07-05-2017

Originally Posted by cjw

Here are the teams with cap space who could theoretically still sign Simmons to a bigger offer sheet. Feels like NY and Sac are the two biggest threats. Possibly LAL or Mia:

Brooklyn - $30 million in space and more if they buy guys out. Already made offer to Porter but will get matched. Doubt Marks does it to Pop too

Re: Marks

Dennis Lindsay hasn't taken it easy on the Spurs, he moved one spot ahead of them in the first round twice now, and the second one was absolutely attributed to blocking the Spurs. First one is unknown if it was directly because of fear the Spurs would draft Gobert or if it was just the easiest spot to move to and opportunity arose.

They also didn't exactly take Boris for free, they got an unprotected 2022 second for taking him. That isn't nothing.

**sasaint** · 07-05-2017

Originally Posted by cjw

Here are the teams with cap space who could theoretically still sign Simmons to a bigger offer sheet. Feels like NY and Sac are the two biggest threats. Possibly LAL or Mia:

Atlanta - $22 million in space assuming they renounce everyone and more if Crawford is moved / bought out. But would Bud do that to Pop?

Brooklyn - $30 million in space and more if they buy guys out. Already made offer to Porter but will get matched. Doubt Marks does it to Pop too.

Chicago - including Mirtotic, Markkanen and Lauvergne holds, they effectively have $10 million in space. Not enough to make huge offer above the MLE.

Dallas - including Noel hold and assuming they sign Dirk to a lesser deal (say $10 million to be super aggressive), they'll have about $8 million of room. That can be pushed higher by $5 million or so with a bunch of non-guaranteed contracts. Simmons isn't really a fit though, but Cuban could do it to hurt Spurs.

Denver - removing Hibbert cap hold, they're right under the cap.

Indiana - $13 million in cap space if they renounce CJ Miles or someone signs him, and $3 million more if they dump Seraphin/Christmas. Less if they keep CJ Miles.

LA Lakers - $17 million in cap space now that Black got waived.

Miami - tons of cap space with Bosh removed. James Johnson only has $4.8 million cap hold if they keep him. Excluding non-guaranteed guys but including Johnson, they have around $35 million in cap space. This could be a year Riley tries ac ulating draft assets instead from teams looking to clear books. Could be a risk too of an offer sheet.

- Minnesota - less than $6 million assuming everyone is renounced. So not much space

- New York - including their draft pick, about $17 million in cap space. Could be a risk of an offer sheet and we know they've met with Simmons.

- Philadelphia - around $14 million of cap space even after Re /Johnson. Hopefully Brown and the FO don't put the Spurs into a tough spot like last year with Manu. Simmons doesn't really fit what they're trying to do though - won't want to lock up long term money.

- Phoenix - has told teams that they're standing pat, although they have a good $24 million in room excluding Alex Len (who wants him anyway)? Not a fit with Simmons as long as they have Bledsoe and Knight. I see them in a similar spot to Miami, trying to ac ulate some assets knowing the team is a few pieces away.

Sacramento - $24 million in space so could be a real threat to use their space.

Utah - seems that they used up cap space on Ingles but could they keep his lower number on the books in interim? Still will be hard to have tons of cap room.

Capped out teams:
- Boston - used up space on Hayward
- Charlotte - approaching the tax with a yuck roster. Go look for yourself
- Cleveland
- Detroit
- Golden State - MLE gone with Swaggy P
- Houston - also used up MLE already
- LA Clippers
- Memphis - used up MLE on McLemore
- Milwaukee
- New Orleans
- Oklahoma City
- Sacramento
- Toronto - way into the tax
- Washington

Neat trick. Sacramento is on both lists.

Where do the Spurs stand?

**BatManu20** · 07-05-2017

Originally Posted by gambit1990

do not want olynyk.

Can't afford him anyways. He'll go to a non-contender.

**BatManu20** · 07-05-2017

It'll be like Re never left!

**objective** · 07-05-2017

Originally Posted by sasaint

Neat trick. Sacramento is on both lists.

Where do the Spurs stand?

With the Mills cap hold, Porker on the books, Forbes on the books, Simmons cap hold, and as far as anyone knows, Milutinov on the books ...

And if they renounce Pau, Lee, Manu, Dedmon and Anthony,

About 12.95 in space or close enough to 13 that it's easier to say 13. Plus the room exception.

BUT

They are still allegedly going to sign Pau.

So operating under the cap now seems not much better than not having room.

If the don't renounce anyone, they can use the full MLE and the BAE

**SAGirl** · 07-05-2017

Originally Posted by sasaint

On the other hand, the Celts are collecting SFs like we are collecting PGs. Crowder would be my choice.

All this collection that SA is building on PG would make sense if:
1. they didn't re-sign Patty but ok, let it go.
2. they would trade Tony?

Let it go too?
3. Manu wouldn't come back? Also, want me to let that go?
4. Forbes is going to be cut? Real possibility. I remember last summer JSimms' player option was picked up b4 summer league. IMO that was done to give him peace of mind so that he didn't show this act of desperation and get nervous out there, and just focused on improving, playing well and executing what coaches wanted. Forbes is in a thinner situation, do you agree?
5. Should they keep the stockpile and do neither of 2-4, at least it is bc they expect the stockpile to develop this season while next season for sure one or both of 2 or 3 above is not going to be around.

**TimDunkem** · 07-05-2017

What an abysmal offseason. Almost wish they just lost to the Grizzlies in the first round. Maybe PATFO would've realized this team has no shot.

**objective** · 07-05-2017

If that had renounced everyone and stretched Parker ...

Between 28-29 million in cap room. 500k more without Forbes.

Could have had Hill, resigned Pau for some reason, used room exception on Hanga/Manu, etc.

Or done Teodosic and something else ...

But no, Mills gets to brick and not run an offense and get scored on in the post by Livingston repeatedly.

**tonight...you** · 07-05-2017

I think this is fun.

**rastaspur** · 07-05-2017

I will be left scratching my head if the spurs could have gotten teodosic and saved 4 million a year instead of resigning mills. Both are defensive liabilities and one can run an offense. Seems like a no brainer to at least try to get him at 10 mill or less

**Chinook** · 07-05-2017

Originally Posted by objective

If that had renounced everyone and stretched Parker ...

Between 28-29 million in cap room. 500k more without Forbes.

Could have had Hill, resigned Pau for some reason, used room exception on Hanga/Manu, etc.

Or done Teodosic and something else ...

But no, Mills gets to brick and not run an offense and get scored on in the post by Livingston repeatedly.

They wanted Mills, and he was the cheapest PG out there in terms of cap allocation. There's certainly room to disagree with Mills being worth his contract, but comparing him to Teodosic or even Hill makes no sense, ESPECIALLY in the scenario you outlined.

**picnroll** · 07-05-2017

Originally Posted by Chinook

They wanted Mills, and he was the cheapest PG out there in terms of cap allocation. There's certainly room to disagree with Mills being worth his contract, but comparing him to Teodosic or even Hill makes no sense, ESPECIALLY in the scenario you outlined.

That would make a lot of sense if Mills was a PG.

**cjw** · 07-05-2017

Originally Posted by Hoops Czar

You went through every team but skipped the Spurs?

Glad you noticed. This was from the perspective of who can throw money at Simmons. Spurs can obviously can match anything.

**LittleCriminal** · 07-05-2017

I have a inside horse claiming a couple of trades will happen soon...
No Its not tspence.

**cjw** · 07-05-2017

Originally Posted by sasaint

Neat trick. Sacramento is on both lists.

Where do the Spurs stand?

Second Sac should be Por. Thanks

Spurs can play either above or below cap. Either keep MLE/LLE and bring everyone back they want though Dedmon probably gone, or open up about $15.5mm in space renouncing everyone except Simmons.

This uses Mills's old cap number. Also assumes White is at about $1.1mm and one minimum hold at $800k.

**Mal** · 07-05-2017

Teodosic will be a bust. He comparable to Rubio, but older and slower.

**tonight...you** · 07-05-2017

Originally Posted by LittleCriminal

I have a inside horse claiming a couple of trades will happen soon...
No Its not tspence.

You got a joint?
No.
Would have been cool if you did.

**rastaspur** · 07-05-2017

Originally Posted by LittleCriminal

I have a inside horse claiming a couple of trades will happen soon...
No Its not tspence.

I would get him outside asap. Indoors is no place for a horse.

**objective** · 07-05-2017

Originally Posted by Chinook

They wanted Mills, and he was the cheapest PG out there in terms of cap allocation. There's certainly room to disagree with Mills being worth his contract, but comparing him to Teodosic or even Hill makes no sense, ESPECIALLY in the scenario you outlined.

Yeah right.

Cheapest point guard out there for the cap = most expensive back up in the league