Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions

[Chucho]

LOL, more "mucha ado about nothing", just like with the obstruction that blew up in their face.

Nothing will happen. Gotta love Chicken Littles just frothing at the mouth for something...anything to happen. I guess they're learning patience, which I guess is some kind of indirect benefit of their witch hunts.

[TSA]

, I could do this all day.

4 pages of search results for posts with the word "collusion" by someone with TSA in their name...

How about you try and explain the crime

[Pavlov]

DNC

*ding*

Dems

*ding*

[boutons_deux]

Time TRASHING Trash Jr

http://washingtonjournal.com/2017/07...tal-new-cover/

[TSA]

An impeachment level smoking gun you say? Do tell.

Impeachment level smoking gun?

Do tell

[TSA]

ElNono spurraider21

legal thoughts on this

Recieving "something of value" means property or material. Not information. The idea of an information economy did not exist at the time the laws were written. Going to get information from a foreign government is not illegal. Changing the definition of "something of value" would require a ruling on the matter by the Supreme Court.
And doing so would severely impede any future Presidential challengers from removing the in bent party as they already have access to the information generated by law enforcement and the national security apparatus. And it would mean a presidential candidate would be surrendering a right that any other US citizen would have just to run for the office.

[boutons_deux]

Kushner Just Admitted He Lied About Dozens Of Secret Foreign Contacts

The New York Times reports that since he originally submitted

his disclosure forms, Kushner has updated them three times, for a total of more than one hundred new foreign contacts.

How Kushner could have conveniently forgotten so many people is anyone’s guess.

As Kushner’s lack of transparency grows more pronounced, calls for his security clearance to be revoked grow louder.

“In a normal world, we wouldn’t be talking about security clearances, Jared Kushner would have been fired about four hours ago,” Senator Chris Murphy said on MSNBC.

http://washingtonjournal.com/2017/07...eign-contacts/

[boutons_deux]

Pence’s Spokesman Just Got Asked If VP Met With Russians. His Answer Is Very Disturbing

On the unofficial state propaganda network, Fox News, Pence Press Secretary Marc Lotter was asked on three separate occasions

if the Vice President ever met with representatives from Russia.

On all three occasions, Lotter declined to answer — even after he was pressed with a direct “is that a yes or is that a no?”

The cagey evasion of a simple question is by no means an admission of guilt, but it is a strong indication that the President’s scandal stretches at least a heartbeat away from his office.

If Pence did not meet with Russian agents, the answer would be an easy one.

If, however, Pence did collude with foreign adversaries in an effort to win election, the questions are about to get much more difficult.

Based on what we’re seeing out of the Pence’s office, the Vice President would be best served not by measuring the Oval Office drapes but preparing to defend against his own ouster as well.

http://washingtonjournal.com/2017/07...er-disturbing/

[RandomGuy]

nuh, uh, no evidence of any collusion not no how, never will be, Dems know it

Please Russian government, give me some damaging information on Hillary, I would love your sensitive information and cross my heart won't tell the FBI about it.

well, it depends on what the definition of "is" is...

[Chris]

[clambake]

donna is yellow.

[RandomGuy]

How about you try and explain the crime

This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump - helped along by Aras and Emin.
What do you think is the best way to handle this information and would you be able to speak to Emin about it directly?
I can also send this info to your father via Rhona, but it is ultra sensitive so wanted to send to you first.

How about you explain to me how the Trump campaign didn't have a systemic contact with a hostile foreign power that appears to have a sustained hacking campaign against our electoral process designed to undermine it in any way possible.

[RandomGuy]

LOL, more "mucha ado about nothing", just like with the obstruction that blew up in their face.

Nothing will happen. Gotta love Chicken Littles just frothing at the mouth for something...anything to happen. I guess they're learning patience, which I guess is some kind of indirect benefit of their witch hunts.

At this point, after months of saying "no evidence", you really want to plant your flag and die on that ground? Really?

Let me guess, next you will want to be a contractor for one of Trumps projects, that always works out so well.

[spurraider21]

big cartoon

i see it includes the russia uranium deal

lets talk about this one for a bit.

1) who are the russians you speak of? is this the russian government?

2) can any of this american uranium be transported to russia?

3) can the government of russia use any of this uranium?

4) did clinton have the power to veto or approve the deal?

[TSA]

How about you try and explain the crime

[RandomGuy]

ElNono spurraider21

legal thoughts on this

How about your legal thoughts on the level of morals displayed by Trump and his kids?

It was not a hard call. When someone says the Russian government wants to give you secret intelligence on your opponent in a presidential campaign, you don't take the meeting, at least not without the FBI alerted and listening in.

Whether you're an experienced campaign hand like Paul Manafort or a novice like Donald Trump Jr., that decision should be a simple one. I'll leave it up to Robert Mueller to determine what laws were broken, but illegality aside, the immorality of working with a foreign adversary to win a race for the White House should be obvious on its face.

But it wasn't obvious to Trump Jr., who wasn't just willing to listen to a supposed "Russian government attorney" but was so excited he wrote "if it's what you say I love it."

What happened in the meeting itself is hardly relevant. The email chain Trump Jr. eagerly released on Twitter proved once and for all the campaign was delirious at the opportunity to work with the Russian government to beat Hillary Clinton. After months of denials that there were any meetings with Russian officials, followed by months of denials that there were any inappropriate meetings with Russian officials, we now know the truth.
The truth is Donald Trump Jr. lacks the most rudimentary moral compass.

One that worked, even crudely, would have resulted in a very different email chain from the one revealed Tuesday. Instead, he gleefully went down the wrong path and even now doesn't seem to recognize he's done anything wrong.

He's a real chip off the old block, isn't he? His father's defining quality, other than a need for attention so desperate it borders on pathetic, is his inability to admit a mistake of any sort, at any scale. Trump's been caught in simple lies, but he's never copped to a single one. He still claims to believe 3 to 5 million people voted illegally in November's election. At best he'll shift the blame to someone else, like when he famously said "someone gave me the wrong information" about the historical nature of his election victory.

His inability to see he has done anything wrong is also perhaps one of the most dangerous vices President Trump enjoys. A president who is congenitally unable to learn from his mistakes is one who will never learn to fix them. Trump is constantly mad at some senior West Wing staffer or another, blaming Reince Priebus or Sean er or Steve Bannon for whatever pickle he's in, totally unable to realize no staff shakeup will ever solve his fundamental problem: Donald J. Trump.

That same quality is what keeps fueling the Russia collusion story. (And after Trump Jr.’s email release, we can comfortably call it a collusion story – at the very least, they tried.) Trump can't admit he made a mistake telling Comey to lay off Flynn. He can't admit his campaign had inappropriate contacts with Russian officials. The entire investigation must be a hoax concocted by a vicious media and his political enemies because the alternative – his judgment being questionable – is unthinkable.

Admitting you're wrong is losing, and Trumps never lose – not when they drive their businesses into bankruptcy, not when they're caught in a lie and certainly not when the Russians want to serve you victory from a gold-plated samovar.

That's the lesson Trump passed down to his children. The man who scammed millions of dollars out of people with a fake university and regularly refused to pay contractors the full amount he had promised them wasn't teaching his oldest son how to treat people with decency or fairness. Donald Trump Jr. learned from his father that life is a zero-sum game, that winning always means someone else loses and that winning is the only thing that matters.

Of course Trump Jr. took the meeting. It never would have occurred to him to turn down information that could help his father succeed, no matter where it came from. The eldest Trump child asked himself what his father would do, and no doubt the answer was clear as a cloudless summer sky reflecting off the windows of Trump Tower.

He did what his father would do. And it tells you everything you need to know about them both.

[Reck]

Russian Saint's Basil cathedral in the background.
nothing burger

[RandomGuy]

How about you try and explain the crime

The man who scammed millions of dollars out of people with a fake university and regularly refused to pay contractors the full amount he had promised them wasn't teaching his oldest son how to treat people with decency or fairness. Donald Trump Jr. learned from his father that life is a zero-sum game, that winning always means someone else loses and that winning is the only thing that matters.

I am going to guess that the inept bunch of morons, i.e. the Trump family, has committed something. Trump may have been somewhat careful, but has never been subjected to a serious investigation, so I doubt his dumb ass was as careful as he should have been.

It is a matter of time, let the investigation finish.

[TSA]

How about you explain to me how the Trump campaign didn't have a systemic contact with a hostile foreign power that appears to have a sustained hacking campaign against our electoral process designed to undermine it in any way possible.

Do you realize who you are quoting?

What high level and sensitive information are you claiming the Russian government sent with the lawyer who says she's not with the Russian government?

[spurraider21]

ElNono spurraider21

legal thoughts on this

would need some context on this... also i dont know if i can just take this guy's word at face value. "the idea of an information economy did not exist at the time the laws were written." do i just believe that because some guy says so? i dont know the answer to that, but this would need some research to back each of these claims.

[TSA]

The man who scammed millions of dollars out of people with a fake university and regularly refused to pay contractors the full amount he had promised them wasn't teaching his oldest son how to treat people with decency or fairness. Donald Trump Jr. learned from his father that life is a zero-sum game, that winning always means someone else loses and that winning is the only thing that matters.

Can you find me a single person charged with a crime for attempting to get campaign opposition research from a foreign government?

[RandomGuy]

Do you realize who you are quoting?

What high level and sensitive information are you claiming the Russian government sent with the lawyer who says she's not with the Russian government ?

I am quoting someone pointing out the moral bankruptcy of Trump, and by extension the Republican party. Does that bother you?

[RandomGuy]

Can you find me a single person charged with a crime for attempting to get campaign opposition research from a foreign government?

No. There are multiple ongoing investigations that have not completed.

Can you show me a completed investigation that concluded that no crimes were committed?

[spurraider21]

why do you keep quoting him in comic sans font?

[RandomGuy]

What high level and sensitive information are you claiming the Russian government sent with the lawyer who says she's not with the Russian government?

That particular meeting didn't have any. There sure were an awful lot of meetings that Trump et al. "forgot".

What about all the other meetings? What was discussed and passed back and forth in those meetings?