Official 2017 Offseason Thread

[Chinook]

wtf do you think happened Chinook? They promised him more to not come over this season??? Why would they do that? Why?
Spurs really had a need for bigs on the cheap this season, and Milutinov was showing signs of progress against better compe ion than he would see in summer league. He's still 22 or something years old? He's in an upward trajectory of improvement. In fact a season with the team at the end of the bench would allow him to practice and learn from both LMA and Pau, before one or both is not reupped next season. This move still doesn't make sense to me except for one thing and I KNOW you will hate it: Spurs saving up a roster space for Manu.

I was livid when the Spurs selected Milutinov in 2015. There were too many bigs on the board who could have helped then. The only solace was that he could develop into a really good player if given time. Two years later, and he's at best a backup. So then it became about getting him cheaply and hoping Austin could develop him. But now that Bodanovic got paid, the stashes aren't coming over on cheap deals anymore. Milutinov knows that even being mediocre, he could get $5 Million.

What a ing mess that draft turned out to be.

[tonight...you]

Disappointed too. He should have come over this season in a rookie scale cost controlled contract. He's shown some improvement and at 22 years old is in a upward trajectory. He would have benefited from being in the team this season just learning.. practices with Pau and LMA would have helped him too.

Spurs offseason:
I am thinking this are the Spurs holding up a roster spot for Manu.

I don't think the Spurs can force him over, even if they want him. And I think he doesn't want to come over until he can get out from the rookie scale wage.

[SAGirl]

I was livid when the Spurs selected Milutinov in 2015. There were too many bigs on the board who could have helped then. The only solace was that he could develop into a really good player if given time. Two years later, and he's at best a backup. So then it became about getting him cheaply and hoping Austin could develop him. But now that Bodanovic got paid, the stashes aren't coming over on cheap deals anymore. Milutinov knows that even being mediocre, he could get $5 Million.

What a ing mess that draft turned out to be.

wow....
I didn't know that. Spurs didn't learn from Livio Jean Charles either. He's still on the books but at least he was in a cheaper deal... and one would rather not have it in the books if he's not going to play ever. 2015 was the summer of Lamarcus Aldridge so I understand what they did there.. but last season? They got Boban instead... which fine I enjoyed Boban, but he was a garbage time novelty bc he didn't play in games that counted or minutes that counted save maybe a handful or less games per season. Then this season would have been ideal. Really no bigs... Take last season for example.. they had Joel Anthony in the roster, are you telling me that couldn't have been Milutinov?
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[sasaint]

wtf do you think happened Chinook? They promised him more to not come over this season??? Why would they do that? Why?
Spurs really had a need for bigs on the cheap this season, and Milutinov was showing signs of progress against better compe ion than he would see in summer league. He's still 22 or something years old? He's in an upward trajectory of improvement. In fact a season with the team at the end of the bench would allow him to practice and learn from both LMA and Pau, before one or both is not reupped next season. This move still doesn't make sense to me except for one thing and I KNOW you will hate it: Spurs saving up a roster space for Manu.

Perhaps he is making more to play in Greece... At 22 another year in Europe at higher pay while not being locked in to a rookie scale contract is a no-brainer.

[SAGirl]

I don't think the Spurs can force him over, even if they want him. And I think he doesn't want to come over until he can get out from the rookie scale wage.

that's a good point then. Thanks.

[tonight...you]

that's a good point then. Thanks.

NP. There's enough gnashing of teeth going on here without trying to think up complicated theories, when it's really quite simple.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Harden- Max
Melo-Max or I'm not sure if he can opt out..
Paul-Will be a FA
LeBron-Will be a FA
Wade-Will be a FA

So only Harden and maybe Melo will be on the books..Paul, James, Wade can sign for whatever works best but it doesn't have to be minimal deals like you're referring to. You're saying Paul, Harden, Melo will all be max deals and that's not true...

I think that's where the confusion is coming from?

Again, I've spelled out in great detail why I don't think it's happening.

CP3 will not take less (or at least "much less") than the max. A very good indication of that was him going to Houston via trade instead of as a FA. He could have accepted a little less and kept Houston's core together to give them a much better chance this year (at least right now, as their roster currently stands). Instead, he Houston had to give up assets to acquire him solely because he wanted to retain his option for a 5th year. CP3 is ABSOLUTELY getting his money - especially considering that Harden just did and this will likely be his last/best opportunity for one last HUGE payday.

Melo will not take less (again, or at least not "much less") than the max. He has proven this over and over with his move to NY via trade and with his unwillingness to accept a buyout. He wants to be traded so that he can keep his money AND retain his Bird rights - or at least wants a buyout for close to the full amount so that he doesn't sacrifice his flexibility for little/nothing. He could be a FA today if he were willing to sacrifice in order to win. He's not. Why? He LOVES his money - which I can't fault him for. He has never shown that he is the type of player to accept less to make the team better. Why would that change in a year's time? Melo is ABSOLUTELY getting his money - again, especially considering that he'd be going to a team that one of his buddies has already maxed out for the next several years.

Wade, you would think, would be the most likely to take less - but he has shown no sign of being likely to do this with the way that he left Miami because of what they were offering (and I side with Wade on) and now because of his unwillingness to agree to a buyout unless it is close to the full value. Wade, like many others, LOVES his money - especially considering that he won't get anywhere near the $25M on the market next year. With that said, he is one of the most prideful players in the NBA and will not accept far than his market value - unless his running mates are willing to do the exact same thing.

Now, to LeBron - you're not honestly going to tell me that you believe that he'd be willing to come to Houston, be their best player, for a near minimum deal (because that's all that Houston would be willing to offer)?

Again, I know that neither is happening - just stating that the percentage of one happening over the other is more likely. It's like stating that you'd have a better chance of dating the most beautiful woman in the U.S. than the most beautiful woman in the world (given that she's from a different country). Nothing personal, but you're not getting either - but your chances of one happening over the other is certainly higher. ;-)

[marinoman]

Draft and stash is a complete waste. It was solid 10-15 years ago but now every team is scouting international players and euro leagues have more money then ever. There's no guarantee the stashed player won't come in 3-4 years if ever.

[duncan2150]

I was livid when the Spurs selected Milutinov in 2015. There were too many bigs on the board who could have helped then. The only solace was that he could develop into a really good player if given time. Two years later, and he's at best a backup. So then it became about getting him cheaply and hoping Austin could develop him. But now that Bodanovic got paid, the stashes aren't coming over on cheap deals anymore. Milutinov knows that even being mediocre, he could get $5 Million.

What a ing mess that draft turned out to be.

Don't be too low on him, he showed some really good things in euroleague this year, he could be an intersting big in one year or two.
Agree that it will be better to have him for cheap but he would'nt have a big contract imo when he'll come to SA.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

If he improves so much that he could be a legit starter on the NBA level, then I'd have no problem if they pay him more than the rookie scale. So far, he's very far away from this in his development though.

[Eaglenole2002]

I was livid when the Spurs selected Milutinov in 2015. There were too many bigs on the board who could have helped then. The only solace was that he could develop into a really good player if given time. Two years later, and he's at best a backup. So then it became about getting him cheaply and hoping Austin could develop him. But now that Bodanovic got paid, the stashes aren't coming over on cheap deals anymore. Milutinov knows that even being mediocre, he could get $5 Million.

What a ing mess that draft turned out to be.

Who did you want the Spurs to take back then?

[Chinook]

Who did you want the Spurs to take back then?

I liked Nance, Harrell, Christmas, Wood, Upshaw and both Holmeses.

Certainly some busts in there, and there are good players I missed. But damn if that class was loaded in mid-draft bigs.

[cjw]

I liked Nance, Harrell, Christmas, Wood, Upshaw and both Holmeses.

Certainly some busts in there, and there are good players I missed. But damn if that class was loaded in mid-draft bigs.

And if the guy had busted, the Spurs aren't out very much money vs. a guy signing above the rookie scale busting given two team option years.

Spurs were trying to conserve space the Miluntov summer for Aldridge...

[raybies]

I'm kind of glad he stayed in Greece. Should do wonders for his development. Gives him time to establish himself. He had a great finish to his season and now he can grow more and build on what he accomplished. He could probably be starting for one of the best teams in Europe next season. Not getting him for cheap sucks but for the player this is the best path all things considered.

Joff has more seasoning internationally and in the NBA and after he was signed it shut the door on Milutinov.

[look_at_g_shred]

Draft and stash is only useful when we are planning on spending money that summer, and the guys we do stash aren't going to be difference makers going forward.

[picnroll]

If Mulitinov comes over next year are Spurs limited to a 2 yr contract so they don't get full bird rights?

[Kindergarten Cop]

You mean most improved player?

Zero chance most likely. This award is predicated on an advancement of stats as the measuring stick. He will most likely average less points, rebounds, etc.

The he became a team player and bought into spurs system argument will not cut it as far as him receiving the award.

Yep, the Comeback Player of the Year (while still synonymous with the MIP in some circles) was officially changed to the Most Improved Player some years ago - my bad.

And I didn't say that I thought that he'd actually "win" the award, because of the system and the lack of love that the media/voters typically show towards Spurs' players. I do, however, think that he will be on the ballot as a candidate because of the history that is going against him and players that have suffered the type of injury that he has. I feel that he will play a significant role in our success this year and it will get a lot of recognition because of the low expectations for him going into the season. That's my take anyways.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Happy World Emoji Day!

[Kindergarten Cop]

[coachmac87]

Again, I've spelled out in great detail why I don't think it's happening.

CP3 will not take less (or at least "much less") than the max. A very good indication of that was him going to Houston via trade instead of as a FA. He could have accepted a little less and kept Houston's core together to give them a much better chance this year (at least right now, as their roster currently stands). Instead, he Houston had to give up assets to acquire him solely because he wanted to retain his option for a 5th year. CP3 is ABSOLUTELY getting his money - especially considering that Harden just did and this will likely be his last/best opportunity for one last HUGE payday.

Melo will not take less (again, or at least not "much less") than the max. He has proven this over and over with his move to NY via trade and with his unwillingness to accept a buyout. He wants to be traded so that he can keep his money AND retain his Bird rights - or at least wants a buyout for close to the full amount so that he doesn't sacrifice his flexibility for little/nothing. He could be a FA today if he were willing to sacrifice in order to win. He's not. Why? He LOVES his money - which I can't fault him for. He has never shown that he is the type of player to accept less to make the team better. Why would that change in a year's time? Melo is ABSOLUTELY getting his money - again, especially considering that he'd be going to a team that one of his buddies has already maxed out for the next several years.

Wade, you would think, would be the most likely to take less - but he has shown no sign of being likely to do this with the way that he left Miami because of what they were offering (and I side with Wade on) and now because of his unwillingness to agree to a buyout unless it is close to the full value. Wade, like many others, LOVES his money - especially considering that he won't get anywhere near the $25M on the market next year. With that said, he is one of the most prideful players in the NBA and will not accept far than his market value - unless his running mates are willing to do the exact same thing.

Now, to LeBron - you're not honestly going to tell me that you believe that he'd be willing to come to Houston, be their best player, for a near minimum deal (because that's all that Houston would be willing to offer)?

Again, I know that neither is happening - just stating that the percentage of one happening over the other is more likely. It's like stating that you'd have a better chance of dating the most beautiful woman in the U.S. than the most beautiful woman in the world (given that she's from a different country). Nothing personal, but you're not getting either - but your chances of one happening over the other is certainly higher. ;-)

That's great and those are your assumptions...but you also stated that you think the Spurs have a better chance to put that team together then the Rockets? But how so if neither Paul, Melo will refuse to sign for less? Why would they do so for the Spurs and not Rockets? You think it's more probable they ditch their friend (Harden) and bigger city/night life (Houston)?

The probability doesn't matter because that's not the argument..I'm not insisting that this will happen at all...BUT if the "Banana Boat" was ever going to happen it would have be in Houston and after this coming season..

And when LeBron stated about this possibility years ago taking less money was brought up..so I do think it's possible LeBron, Melo, Paul, Wade would all take less for ONE year to live out their dream and maybe win a le together..and honestly the "Warriors Super Team" dominance has made this all possible..it's the perfect storm for it all to happen tbh.

But is it realistic?! No but I wouldn't cross it out..

But again explain why you think it's possible they'd take less in SA but not in Houston?

[BatManu20]

Happy World Emoji Day!

Why does Kawhi look 40 years old here..

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be intertersting if melo still would go there