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    Irving and Love for Aldridge, Green, Mills, draft picks and cash.

    Cavs do this because:

    -They fulfill Irving's wishes.
    -They get rid of Love's contract.
    -Get Aldridge's 22 millions expiring contract.
    Love has positive value, probably more than LMA. Would make more sense to ship Love to Phoenix and send back some of whatever he gets to Cleveland.

    Mills isn't a realistic piece to any trade to Cleveland right now, though.

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    Everyone uses the Spurs as leverage. Might as well rename the team to the San Antonio Leverage.
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    Sure, but that's only worth so much. The Spurs can't afford to punt this season without a long-term commitment from Irving, and even if he gives it, it would come from him getting way too much money from SA. Most I would go is Green, Parker, Murray, Bertans and a pick for Irving and Shumpert. You start talking about Green, LMA, Murray and picks, and you pretty much punt half of Kyrie's contract away, because you still have no bigs other than Pau and Lauvergne. And it's not like the Spurs are actually going to perform better after the trade than they would without it. We can all we want, but the team will still be a top-four team in the league next year
    So you wouldn't trade LA, who is going to be out of the team next off-season anyway?

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    Kyrie isn't even good enough to get a team to the playoffs by himself. To put into comparison, here is his best season compared to those of Gay and Parker:

    https://www.basketball-reference.com...keto01&y3=2013

    I am not saying that there aren't a lot of deals I would make for Irving, but considering paying him and Kawhi (and best-case DMC) more than $100 Million a season is scary. He is not worth everything.
    Gut the roster? Outside of Leonard, thed Spurs have nothing. Kylie isn't eligible for free agency until 2019 so the Spurs have a couple of years to play around with to see how he'd fit. Not many elite players are going to shun the big city and bright lights to play for a small market team like the Spurs in order to win a championship. The Spurs have to take what they can get. He can also help recruit a third star to S.A. because I have no confidence Leonard will ever open his mouth.

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    Spurs- Kyrie
    Suns-LMA
    Cavs- Bledsoe

    That's a starting point..
    Cavaliers would have to be interested in one of Warren, Bender or Chriss, as well as one of White or Spurs '18 1st.

    Suns would have to be interested in Murray and one of White or Spurs '18 1st.

    Spurs should do whichever machination in a second (especially considering they could re-coup a 1st in a Mills trade when Parker returns), but this would really decimate the front line.

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    So you wouldn't trade LA, who is going to be out of the team next off-season anyway?
    People need to decide if LMA opting in or opting out is supposed to be the worst thing in the world. I can't keep it straight what I'm supposed to be scared of. No, I'm not keen to trade Green, LMA and the future prospects for Irving. The team will likely not be better next year and they'll either have one more year of Irving (which they may have with LMA anyway), or they'll have more but be paying Irving a new max deal.

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    I don't know if it's the numbers he cares about as much as the reputation. You can never shine next to Lebron, even if you are an established future HoFer like Bosh. Irving and Leonard would be a nice 1A/1B who could play off each other, while if LMA were to be kept, he'd have a great big to set up. His numbers should remain the same, but the perception of those numbers would be different.
    Maybe... Frankly, Kyrie as a number 1 option (as long as he didn't go all Harden/Westbrook) would be very exciting. It would help Kawhi's overall game and the team as a whole. It is much easier to have a guard leading the offense. As a number of posters have commented over the last few seasons, a SF-centric offense is a little more awkward. Kawhi's handles are plenty good, and they have steadily improved, but isn't the same as having a good PG running the offense.

    Of course Kawhi might have a more difficult time earning MVP (for those who are concerned about such things).

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    Gut the roster? Outside of Leonard, thed Spurs have nothing. Kylie isn't eligible for free agency until 2019 so the Spurs have a couple of years to play around with to see how he'd fit. Not many elite players are going to shun the big city and bright lights to play for a small market team like the Spurs in order to win a championship. The Spurs have to take what they can get. He can also help recruit a third star to S.A. because I have no confidence Leonard will ever open his mouth.
    Houston totally lost two games in a row to "nothing".

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    I haven't checked in five minutes, has the trade happened yet? Thx.

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    Houston totally lost two games in a row to "nothing".
    Pretty much.

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    Kyrie chose SAS after Manu agreed to another season tbh.

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    Wow a three team trade LMA to Suns, Irving to Spurs, Bledsoe to Cavs make sense. Too bad we draft and signed all those guards.

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    People need to decide if LMA opting in or opting out is supposed to be the worst thing in the world. I can't keep it straight what I'm supposed to be scared of. No, I'm not keen to trade Green, LMA and the future prospects for Irving. The team will likely not be better next year and they'll either have one more year of Irving (which they may have with LMA anyway), or they'll have more but be paying Irving a new max deal.
    Having Aldridge on the team is the worst thing. He needs to get the out. If he opts out next season without the Spurs getting anything is fine. Him getting trade for Irving is even better.

    And yeah, Irving would comand the max, but paying a couple max contracts is what any contender needs to do if they want to fight for championships, tbh.

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    Porker+2fatheads. Do it RC.

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    "hes a 4 time champion and FMVP"... -RC

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    If he wants too much then no. He's vastly overrated and therefore vastly overvalued.

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    overrated player. i'm not interested.

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    If Kryie is saying he wants to come to the spurs....it better be the cavs front office that doesnt cooperate....anything else would be RC's cheap ass.

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    Having Aldridge on the team is the worst thing. He needs to get the out. If he opts out next season without the Spurs getting anything is fine. Him getting trade for Irving is even better.

    And yeah, Irving would comand the max, but paying a couple max contracts is what any contender needs to do if they want to fight for championships, tbh.
    Yeah, because having LMA on the team has been so hampering to the Spurs...

    No, paying Irving so much along with Kawhi isn't some obvious point. Do you actually think Kyrie, Kawhi and min deals is likely to do better than SA has recently? I can't think of any way to argue that. Only way it makes is if the Spurs use cap space on a guy like Cousins, but then that's cap . Depending on the price, go for it and hope it works out. But either they need to keep a strong roster this year or keep future prospects. They can't lose both.

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    If only he could be a Spur, tbh.

    Hes the dumbest pg in the league bar none. Has no loyalty. Blames others. Great idea, sign him, then spurs could have the pg version of lma

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    Lma needs to be used for salary purposes. Unless Parker goes. Mills can't get traded yet. Same as Gasol and Gay. And we need bigs.

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    Yeah, because having LMA on the team has been so hampering to the Spurs...

    No, paying Irving so much along with Kawhi isn't some obvious point. Do you actually think Kyrie, Kawhi and min deals is likely to do better than SA has recently? I can't think of any way to argue that. Only way it makes is if the Spurs use cap space on a guy like Cousins, but then that's cap . Depending on the price, go for it and hope it works out. But either they need to keep a strong roster this year or keep future prospects. They can't lose both.
    Kyrie is under team control for at least two more seasons. In that time, something else could open up and change everything. Outside of Leonard, there isn't a single player on this roster that can't be replaced.

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    Kyrie is under team control for at least two more seasons. In that time, something else could open up and change everything. Outside of Leonard, there isn't a single player on this roster that can't be replaced.
    He's under control for only one more July. They aren't replacing their depth at this point. Kyrie/Kawhi/LMA can win a le. Kyrie/Kawhi can't.

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    If he wants to win, why would he honestly go to NY?
    New York is as good as LA business wise. He would also be paired with one of the most exciting young players in porzingus. Is take that over post lebron Cleveland in a heartbeat.

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    Kylie is an all-star that would make this team better. Losing our best big is not great, but it seems to be the only salary that would match. If LMA really is disgruntled being here, which neither he or the Sours have said, this might go down. It's all over the radio with people saying he wants to come here.

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