Report: Kyrie Irving Asked Cavs to Trade Him

[BillMc]

Pop and Kawhi is really all you need to entice him. They will always be able to figure out the money part when the time comes. Another thing that doesnt often get talked about is the Spurs connections around the league, making it easier. Ala Tiago.

Dont forget about Rudy. 2 years with a player option. If he recovers fully from his injury and performs well, it's a steal. If not and opts in, we can trade his expiring contract. Also, if he plays well and opts in, that's Lbj, KL, and RG in the lineup.

Regardless, we'll have flexibility if they want it. They know what they're doing, dude.

Bold this man immediately.

[noles1983]

• Agree about Murray, he's the easiest to give up. He seems to get along well with LeBron and is enough of an upside prospect to matter to the Cavs
• Mostly agree about the pick, but even late firsts have value, especially to a FO that does a pretty good job drafting from that position
• Disagree about Aldridge, Kyrie is already a demonstrably worse cancer. The Spurs are also short on bigs and Aldridge is a good defender. His value on offense would go up with less pressure on him too, imo
• Hugely disagree about Green, he is an elite defender and on offense plays really well off an elite drive-and-kick PG

If the Spurs can get Kyrie while keeping Aldridge and Green, I would take almost any deal. Giving up both is too much to swallow unless it somehow means getting a pick instead of giving one up.

We no longer have a drive and kick pg, so even if green stays he is useless on offense. You dont know how Kyrie dynamic would work on Spurs, we already know that ty LMA is a proven cancer. I would take my chances. Give me a shooting guard who can actually shoot and play passable defense over a declining 30yr old Green any day.

[SAGirl]

• Agree about Murray, he's the easiest to give up. He seems to get along well with LeBron and is enough of an upside prospect to matter to the Cavs
• Mostly agree about the pick, but even late firsts have value, especially to a FO that does a pretty good job drafting from that position
• Disagree about Aldridge, Kyrie is already a demonstrably worse cancer. The Spurs are also short on bigs and Aldridge is a good defender. His value on offense would go up with less pressure on him too, imo
• Hugely disagree about Green, he is an elite defender and on offense plays really well off an elite drive-and-kick PG

If the Spurs can get Kyrie while keeping Aldridge and Green, I would take almost any deal. Giving up both is too much to swallow unless it somehow means getting a pick instead of giving one up.

You obviously know that just giving up Murray and pick is absolutely not enough. I suspect the Spurs had offered Danny and pick and it didn't get done, either.

[SAGirl]

We're not trading for Kyrie. Rose had SA as his first choice and we didn't even want him for 2.1M. This tells me we are hanging on to and developing Murray. We might still move LMA, but it will be for diminished returns unless it happens mid season.

That's a good point.

I like Murray a lot, but I had hoped to see him look better in summer league than he did. He's an inefficient scorer, who can't shoot with a careless high dribble. He looks to be at least a season away from being a rotation player by merit. Bc him subbing in for someone that is injured is not a big deal. Cojo started almost half a season and took up a lot of minutes in 2014-15 when both Tony and Mills were injured and that still did not mean he had earned a rotation spot. Murray is at least a season away, depending on how that shooting is being developed, and handles. He's also still turning the ball over almost as much as he has assists and maybe more. He's not ready tbh and it will not help his "get over yourself" to be handed keys to anything without him earning it. Even beating out Forbes, Paul or others for playing time has to be earned. I do think he has talent and will be impactful defensively which will get him playing time, but then that becomes dependent on how solid he's looking at the offensive part of his game, where he has been a trainwreck.

[Trueblood]

This is going 100 pages if Kyrie isn't traded before September.

I don't know what's worse, the 50 pages wasted on a guy who probably isn't coming or the fact that I keep checking it...

[Ron Swanson]

Knicks

-ass franchise hasn't done since we waxed them in '99.

[Canyonero]

We should get Lapro back imho.

[Spur|n|Austin]

I don't know what's worse, the 50 pages wasted on a guy who probably isn't coming or the fact that I keep checking it...

[TheDoctor]

I don't know what's worse, the 50 pages wasted on a guy who probably isn't coming or the fact that I keep checking it...

LMAOOOO

So true, hahahaha.

[SupremeGuy]

I don't know what's worse, the 50 pages wasted on a guy who probably isn't coming or the fact that I keep checking it...

It's not funny when it's true bro

[poop]

Trade Pop for irving

[UZER]

If Kyrie really wants to waste his prime in NYC, so be it.

Alex Kennedy wants very badly for Kyrie Irving to very badly want to be a New York Knick.

That's probably more accurate.

[kxs783kms]

I don't know what's worse, the 50 pages wasted on a guy who probably isn't coming or the fact that I keep checking it...

This

[mookie2001]

Thank you to the multiple posters giving us page counts. Keep it up

[-21-]

imo, not getting Irving or Rose is a blessing in disguise. Rose is done and apparently not very bright, I doubt he'd flourish under Pop. I was surprised to see some posters here still wanted him. Kyrie, on the other hand, is a cold-blooded scoring machine but he only plays one side of the ball. Oh yeah, did I mention he's full of himself and thinks he's better than he really is? (Mamba Mentality ) Sounds like a cancer to me. If he really wants a team of his own, it would only be a matter of time before he gets jealous of Kawhi. Same if he ends up in Minnesota where KAT is clearly the best player.

[ginobilized]

imo, not getting Irving or Rose is a blessing in disguise. Rose is done and apparently not very bright, I doubt he'd flourish under Pop. I was surprised to see some posters here still wanted him. Kyrie, on the other hand, is a cold-blooded scoring machine but he only plays one side of the ball. Oh yeah, did I mention he's full of himself and thinks he's better than he really is? (Mamba Mentality ) Sounds like a cancer to me. If he really wants a team of his own, it would only be a matter of time before he gets jealous of Kawhi. Same if he ends up in Minnesota where KAT is clearly the best player.

I'm starting to agree. Good take!

[gospursgojas]

In before 51

[ducks]

imo, not getting Irving or Rose is a blessing in disguise. Rose is done and apparently not very bright, I doubt he'd flourish under Pop. I was surprised to see some posters here still wanted him. Kyrie, on the other hand, is a cold-blooded scoring machine but he only plays one side of the ball. Oh yeah, did I mention he's full of himself and thinks he's better than he really is? (Mamba Mentality ) Sounds like a cancer to me. If he really wants a team of his own, it would only be a matter of time before he gets jealous of Kawhi. Same if he ends up in Minnesota where KAT is clearly the best player.

yes it a blessing
you would make a good senator

[daledondale]

In before 51

[sasaint]

imo, not getting Irving or Rose is a blessing in disguise. Rose is done and apparently not very bright, I doubt he'd flourish under Pop. I was surprised to see some posters here still wanted him. Kyrie, on the other hand, is a cold-blooded scoring machine but he only plays one side of the ball. Oh yeah, did I mention he's full of himself and thinks he's better than he really is? (Mamba Mentality ) Sounds like a cancer to me. If he really wants a team of his own, it would only be a matter of time before he gets jealous of Kawhi. Same if he ends up in Minnesota where KAT is clearly the best player.

Clear truth about Rose. I also tend to agree with your take on Kyrie. Whether he could adapt to Pop, the Spurs' way, and Kawhi's presence are interesting and (likely) hypothetical questions.

With all of the smoke surrounding Kyrie, I do wonder if the Spurs might be working on a completely different trade. Surely PATFO doesn't plan to take the current roster into the regular season...?!

[Phenomanul]

The whole, "I want to be my own man" was leaked by Lebron's people tbh... the writing is on the wall. Kyrie didn't like the fact that he was offered as trade bait, because LeBron wanted Butler or Paul George... so rather than be left stranded on a team that isn't suitable to his skill set (when LeBron inevitably leaves next season) he is choosing to face a different prospect elsewhere...

"You can't leave me if I leave you first"

[Hoops Czar]

In before 51

Not even halfway to this 132 page juggernaut.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...tact+pau+gasol

[TimDunkem]

Surely PATFO doesn't plan to take the current roster into the regular season...?!

[baseline bum]

• Agree about Murray, he's the easiest to give up. He seems to get along well with LeBron and is enough of an upside prospect to matter to the Cavs
• Mostly agree about the pick, but even late firsts have value, especially to a FO that does a pretty good job drafting from that position
• Disagree about Aldridge, Kyrie is already a demonstrably worse cancer. The Spurs are also short on bigs and Aldridge is a good defender. His value on offense would go up with less pressure on him too, imo
• Hugely disagree about Green, he is an elite defender and on offense plays really well off an elite drive-and-kick PG

If the Spurs can get Kyrie while keeping Aldridge and Green, I would take almost any deal. Giving up both is too much to swallow unless it somehow means getting a pick instead of giving one up.

Aldridge is gone next summer if not sooner. The Spurs have a lot of point guards but none of them are any good, so I don't buy that Aldridge is a better fit. Plus Irving is 25 while Aldridge is 32 and declining. I don't care much about next year since GSW is repeating unless Curry or Durant is out for the WCF or the Finals. Irving is a piece to build around to be back in le contention in a couple of years.

And I love Green, but he's much easier to replace than it is to get a player of Irving's caliber. I would without hesitating trade Green, a 2018 first, Murray, and Aldridge for Irving and Shumpert even though I hate Shumpert's game and his contract is awful.

[tim_duncan_fan]

If Kyrie's problem is that he wants to be the guy, I don't think we want him here, ultimately.