Report: Kyrie Irving Asked Cavs to Trade Him

[coachmac87]

The Cavs want their kings ransom and you think the Spurs have it? Good lord..

That's not what he said....read again

[Poolboy5623]

That's not what he said....read again

I read it. I really don't think a first round pick, around 28 or 29 is high on the Cavs list...nor do I think any of the Spurs players are. Green and Aldridge have been on the trade block awhile now, with no bites, and all of a sudden they're going to bring Kyrie Irving?! Pass me some of that..

[sasaint]

Haha...love this Touch of Evil reference! Yes Heston was a stretch....still a killer Wells film.

A Touch of Surrealism might have been a better name. I am a huge Wells fan, and this film stands out for its bizarreness like The Third Man on steroids. Dennis Weaver makes Anrhony Perkins in Psycho seem like Mr. Rogers in his neighborhood.

[sasaint]

They may want a king's ransom, but so far nobody is offering it. If they want to trade him, they may need to adjust their trade demands.

Or just live with a disgruntled player until the trade deadline when things get a little more serious after the real contenders have identified themselves - like the Spurs with LMA, perhaps.

[Kindergarten Cop]

The earliest first round pick that the Clippers could offer would be 2021 - which takes them out for all intents and purposes. They also lack "young players on rookie contracts" (at least at a position of need) that Cleveland is seeking.

The Spurs, while you can argue if it's technically enough to get it done, have all three things on the Cavs' list of demands.

Apparently you missed this ... or simply chose to ignore it.

The Cavs want their kings ransom and you think the Spurs have it? Good lord..

The Clippers' beat writer stated himself that the Clippers did not have the assets in the parameters of the Cavs trade requests. Those being (a) a veteran starter, (b) young player on rookie contract, and (c) draft picks. I noted in my original post answering your question why the Clippers were basically ruled out (not just my take, but according to the beat writer from the Clippers). I stated that the Spurs actually have (and likely offered) all three of the things that the Cavs are looking for. Will it be enough to get it done? I don't know and neither do you. All three of the recent trades for All-Star caliber players have brought back extremely meager returns - so until this actually gets done, it's just speculation for everyone.

I read it. I really don't think a first round pick, around 28 or 29 is high on the Cavs list...nor do I think any of the Spurs players are. Green and Aldridge have been on the trade block awhile now, with no bites, and all of a sudden they're going to bring Kyrie Irving?! Pass me some of that..

Again, you I don't think you DID read it. You, nor I, have no idea whatsoever if there have been "bites" for Green or Aldridge. Until a trade goes down (with whichever team) or reports leak out, nobody will know.

[coachmac87]

I read it. I really don't think a first round pick, around 28 or 29 is high on the Cavs list...nor do I think any of the Spurs players are. Green and Aldridge have been on the trade block awhile now, with no bites, and all of a sudden they're going to bring Kyrie Irving?! Pass me some of that..

Ok but he never said the assets were good enough..all he said was the Spurs have the type of assets they want. Veteran player, prospect, and draft pick..

And LMA isn't getting traded to Cavs..makes no sense for them

[sasaint]

So, if that big were Love instead, would you be good with that?

Green, Kyle, Forbes, Murray AND LMA would work for Kyrie and either Thompson or Love. I don't know which I might go for - Love, maybe?

[Ron Swanson]

Or just live with a disgruntled player until the trade deadline when things get a little more serious after the real contenders have identified themselves - like the Spurs with LMA, perhaps.

True. It's also the more likely scenario if they are going to hold firm to what they want for him.

[look_at_g_shred]

If the Spurs didn't have the assets to get a trade done, wouldn't it have already come out as the way it has for the Clippers?

[sasaint]

Ok but he never said the assets were good enough..all he said was the Spurs have the type of assets they want. Veteran player, prospect, and draft pick..

And LMA isn't getting traded to Cavs..makes no sense for them

LMA to the Cavs would make sense IF they were sending a big to the Spurs in return. Say... LMA, Danny, Kyle, Dijon and a pick for Kyrie and TThompson. (Trade works with HWNSNBM thrown in, too, btw.)

[coachmac87]

LMA to the Cavs would make sense IF they were sending a big to the Spurs in return. Say... LMA, Danny, Kyle, Dijon and a pick for Kyrie and TThompson. (Trade works with HWNSNBM thrown in, too, btw.)

I mean it'll work salary wise...but LMA/Love front court is SUPER soft and I dunno if that makes the Cavs better..

[Chinook]

After Pau's deal I really don't want to trade Aldridge for Irving. The only way that would've made sense was because the Spurs could have gone after Cousins next summer to make a Big Three. They really can't now, so they have to get their best "Big Three" out of guys they already have on the roster. Losing LMA and Green and running Kyrie/White/Kawhi/Gay/Gasol-Chandler would be a downgrade as would squeezing Kyle in there to push Kawhi to the two. Irving is only a slightly above-average player with how bad his D is. He's not good enough on offense for the Spurs to beat GS at their own game. People talk about Kawhi being able to focus on D, but the Spurs would need his points just as much as they do now with Green and Aldridge gone and Parker hurt. He's not going to do enough to make up for losing three of the top four defenders on the team.

[DesignatedT]

If you can get Kyrie, you get him. Aldridge isn't even happy here. Throw in whoever else not named Kawhi. The Spurs would have a hard time fielding a true contender next year (staying pat isn't a true contender either), but Kawhi and Kyrie at 25 years of age is a of a foundation to build around going forward. The Spurs will be able to attract and address the big issue through trades, free agency, waivers, etc. if they are smart about it. Bring back Diaw to fill in next year for one.

I wish Aldridge would have worked out better but wanting to keep him over Kyrie is laughable.

[noles1983]

After Pau's deal I really don't want to trade Aldridge for Irving. The only way that would've made sense was because the Spurs could have gone after Cousins next summer to make a Big Three. They really can't now, so they have to get their best "Big Three" out of guys they already have on the roster. Losing LMA and Green and running Kyrie/White/Kawhi/Gay/Gasol-Chandler would be a downgrade as would squeezing Kyle in there to push Kawhi to the two. Irving is only a slightly above-average player with how bad his D is. He's not good enough on offense for the Spurs to beat GS at their own game. People talk about Kawhi being able to focus on D, but the Spurs would need his points just as much as they do now with Green and Aldridge gone and Parker hurt. He's not going to do enough to make up for losing three of the top four defenders on the team.

Slightly above average

If Irving is average what does that make parker and mills?

[dubross]

If you can get Kyrie, you get him. Aldridge isn't even happy here. Throw in whoever else not named Kawhi. The Spurs would have a hard time fielding a true contender next year (staying pat isn't a true contender either), but Kawhi and Kyrie at 25 years of age is a of a foundation to build around going forward. The Spurs will be able to attract and address the big issue through trades, free agency, waivers, etc. if they are smart about it. Bring back Diaw to fill in next year for one.


I wish Aldridge would have worked out better but wanting to keep him over Kyrie is laughable.

I agree. You get Kyrie by any means and yo have two young stars to build around going forward. Getting Kyrie is contend now and definitely win later move.

[TheGreatYacht]

Chinook wouldn't trade for Lebron if it meant getting rid of Green.

[TheGreatYacht]

Chinook wouldn't trade for Lebron if it meant getting rid of Green.

[sasaint]

I mean it'll work salary wise...but LMA/Love front court is SUPER soft and I dunno if that makes the Cavs better..

LMA is a paradox. He is a soft offensive player who has become an above average defensive player during his Spurs tenure.

[coachmac87]

LMA is a paradox. He is a soft offensive player who has become an above average defensive player during his Spurs tenure.

But he's still not a center and neither is Love...

Cavs need Thompson because he play his game and be effective without need the ball..

TD21 has stated the best trade regarding Spurs but that also includes a third team which can get tricky..especially when Suns would be giving up the asset and not getting Kyrie lol..


But if Spurs want to strictly deal with Cavs they'd have to include Parker and Green plus probably take on Shump

[coachmac87]

After Pau's deal I really don't want to trade Aldridge for Irving. The only way that would've made sense was because the Spurs could have gone after Cousins next summer to make a Big Three. They really can't now, so they have to get their best "Big Three" out of guys they already have on the roster. Losing LMA and Green and running Kyrie/White/Kawhi/Gay/Gasol-Chandler would be a downgrade as would squeezing Kyle in there to push Kawhi to the two. Irving is only a slightly above-average player with how bad his D is. He's not good enough on offense for the Spurs to beat GS at their own game. People talk about Kawhi being able to focus on D, but the Spurs would need his points just as much as they do now with Green and Aldridge gone and Parker hurt. He's not going to do enough to make up for losing three of the top four defenders on the team.

Even though it probably isn't the best deal but if you're the Cavs..

You take Green,Parker, Murray +1st?

That's the best deal possible from Spurs perspective but obviously that doesn't matter too much

[sasaint]

But he's still not a center and neither is Love...

Cavs need Thompson because he play his game and be effective without need the ball..

TD21 has stated the best trade regarding Spurs but that also includes a third team which can get tricky..especially when Suns would be giving up the asset and not getting Kyrie lol..


But if Spurs want to strictly deal with Cavs they'd have to include Parker and Green plus probably take on Shump

LMA plays plenty of time at the 5 with the Spurs. In the modern NBA that will only increase wherever he plays. He is a good rim protector.

[BatManu20]

Tbh.

[BatManu20]

Twolves out then?

[BatManu20]

Lmao

[noles1983]

Twolves out then?

Certainly seems so if that happens.