Report: Kyrie Irving Asked Cavs to Trade Him

[tonight...you]

I didn't realize that he was that bad of a FT shooter (career 61%) but in that scenario I would expect:


Irving-Mills-Parker-Forbes
Gay-Manu-Paul-White
Leonard-Anderson-Blossomgame
Bertans-Anderson
Thompson-Gasol-Lavergne-Costello

he'd be the roll man with 4 shooters while also providing good defense and rebounding, and a solid screen setter.

I think it's a good fit, but Aldridge is a better center than Thompson would be but if it nets us Kyrie then I'd be fine with it.

Sometimes you gotta mug Peter to pay Paul...

[tholdren]

Didn't listen to the audio; however, if the idea is Parker, LMA and Green for Thompson and Kyrie I don't necessarily think that it's a horrible trade but needs some tweaks. Thompson is an above average defender and and excellent rebounder that's also still young (26 and a 1/2) and very durable but the Cavs may not be interested in owing him $52.4 million over the next three seasons, LMA is better offensively and solid defensively (though his reputation doesn't seem to reflect how good he actually is on that end) and only has $20 million in guaranteed money with a $22 million player option the year after.

Parker wouldn't need to be included for salary purposes and I'd seriously doubt whether Cleveland would be even interested in a 35 year old coming off a serious injury. They may be fine with Rose starting and Murray coming off the bench.


Cavs Get

LaMarcus Aldridge
Danny Green
Dejounte Muray
2018 1st round pick

Spurs Get

Kyrie Irving
Tristan Thompson

Only idiots want irving. Hes got zero character, his bbiq is , and hes lazy on d. Stop posting

[TheDoctor]

I didn't realize that he was that bad of a FT shooter (career 61%) but in that scenario I would expect:


Irving-Mills-Parker-Forbes
Gay-Manu-Paul-White
Leonard-Anderson-Blossomgame
Bertans-Anderson
Thompson-Gasol-Lavergne-Costello

he'd be the roll man with 4 shooters while also providing good defense and rebounding, and a solid screen setter.

I think it's a good fit, but Aldridge is a better center than Thompson would be but if it nets us Kyrie then I'd be fine with it.

Bertants isn't a starter and won't be anytime soon mate. Not even in the worst team.

[UZER]

Bertants isn't a starter and won't be anytime soon mate. Not even in the worst team.

Plus, he's only in year one of Pops two year I won't play you when it matters system.

[cjw]

Tristan is such a liability on offense, I just don't see how that works.

Agree, I'd rather not take on Thompson while taking on other salary instead - particularly if the Spurs see anything in a guy like Shumpert beyond dead salary. You'd think in that trade, the Spurs wouldn't have to give up their 1st rounder and may actually get a 1st.

Irving-Thompson for Aldridge-Green-Murray-1st
becomes
Irving-Shumpert-1st for Aldridge-Green-Murray (feels like too much to give up - might want more back)

The firsts are low picks anyway. Unless Lebron leaves and it turns into a gem.

It leaves Spurs with no bigs beyond Gasol. But you get your guy, which makes Murray expendable. It sets you up for the following summer to have cap space ... Shumpert would be an expiring, so could be moved at a cost. Oh wait, the Spurs are gonna be paying a 38 year old $16mm.

[TheGreatYacht]

Bertants isn't a starter and won't be anytime soon mate. Not even in the worst team.

Pretty much this.

[Mnky]

Danny Lma and Parker are all very much likely gone next year for nothing. If you can turn that into a franchise player, you definitely take that.

chances on beating GSW might come down to a hanful of injury gambles and 40 yr olds playing like their 20.

its possible.. but..

[TheDoctor]

Danny Lma and Parker are all very much likely gone next year for nothing. If you can turn that into a franchise player, you definitely take that.

chances on beating GSW might come down to a hanful of injury gambles and 40 yr olds playing like their 20.

its possible.. but..

Spurs aren't trading HoTS. Only reason is if he plants his seeds on Kawhi's gf.

[cd98]

Danny Lma and Parker are all very much likely gone next year for nothing. If you can turn that into a franchise player, you definitely take that.

chances on beating GSW might come down to a hanful of injury gambles and 40 yr olds playing like their 20.

its possible.. but..

Damn I wish Billy King was still a GM. We could rape him like Ainge did in those Garnet/Pierce trades.

[DAF86]

Without James beyond next season, though, the likes of LaMarcus Aldridge, Tony Parker and Danny Green hold no appeal.

As oppossed as if they were planning for the future where those assets would have appeal????

[DAF86]

Weren't raps supposed to rhyme?

[cd021]

Agree, I'd rather not take on Thompson while taking on other salary instead - particularly if the Spurs see anything in a guy like Shumpert beyond dead salary. You'd think in that trade, the Spurs wouldn't have to give up their 1st rounder and may actually get a 1st.

Irving-Thompson for Aldridge-Green-Murray-1st
becomes
Irving-Shumpert-1st for Aldridge-Green-Murray (feels like too much to give up - might want more back)

The firsts are low picks anyway. Unless Lebron leaves and it turns into a gem.

It leaves Spurs with no bigs beyond Gasol. But you get your guy, which makes Murray expendable. It sets you up for the following summer to have cap space ... Shumpert would be an expiring, so could be moved at a cost. Oh wait, the Spurs are gonna be paying a 38 year old $16mm.

Thompson is waaay better than Shumpert and actually has NBA skills (his best is defense- post defense, some switchablity etc.- and rebounding- especially offensive rebounding)

I'd much rather see Thompson in a trade and I would think that the Spurs giving up a 1st would be non negotiable to the Cavs.

Green and LMA help Cleveland win now, Murray and adding a second 2018 first could help them in the future while also possibly clearing out some long term salary.

[sasaint]

Shumpert will never play for the Spurs.

If the Spurs deal LMA, it is imperative to acquire another big, and TThompson would be a very good get under the cir stances. Hands down a better deal than Shumpert.

But, in the final analysis, Kyrie ain't coming here.

[Leetonidas]

It probably won't happen. But they really should just do Green/LMA/Murray for Irving/Thompson trade. Cavs aren't winning ever again so they might as well double down for next season and get some decent pieces to win now while simultaneously strengthening a team in the West against GS

[tbdog]

Thompson is waaay better than Shumpert and actually has NBA skills (his best is defense- post defense, some switchablity etc.- and rebounding- especially offensive rebounding)

I'd much rather see Thompson in a trade and I would think that the Spurs giving up a 1st would be non negotiable to the Cavs.

Green and LMA help Cleveland win now, Murray and adding a second 2018 first could help them in the future while also possibly clearing out some long term salary.

We won't have a starting calibre SG though. And I am unsure how well Irving and Mills could play together. Manu and Paul are old or too new. But Wade could start if he wanted that role?

[cd021]

We won't have a starting calibre SG though. And I am unsure how well Irving and Mills could play together. Manu and Paul are old or too new. But Wade could start if he wanted that role?

Irving-Gay-Leonard-Anderson-Thompson would probably end up being the starting lineup.

Manu may end up having to play the 3 again and backup Kawhi.

Mills-White/Paul-Manu-Bertans-Gasol might be the bench in that scenario

Wade probably won't be brought up until after the season starts and would probably join Cleveland for the season before returning to Miami for the remainder of his career.

[tbdog]

Irving-Gay-Leonard-Anderson-Thompson would probably end up being the starting lineup.

Manu may end up having to play the 3 again and backup Kawhi.

Mills-White/Paul-Manu-Bertans-Gasol might be the bench in that scenario

Wade probably won't be brought up until after the season starts and would probably join Cleveland for the season before returning to Miami for the remainder of his career.

Playing Gay at SG is a hard sell. He is more of a hybrid forward these days. And coming back from injury surely reduces his quickness. I agree on Wade. But Spurs should be third favourite. here.

[cd021]

Playing Gay at SG is a hard sell. He is more of a hybrid forward these days. And coming back from injury surely reduces his quickness. I agree on Wade. But Spurs should be third favourite. here.

It's nominal really; I only slotted Gay as the 2 because Manu plays around 18 mpg and would be able to keep that role and play that many minutes behind Gay in whatever wing spot Gay would start at. Leonard will likely play at least 34 minutes a night, in that scenario maybe mostly as a SG with Paul or White being in position to earn some regular season minutes there at the back up 2.

[Poolboy5623]

So now Wade is going to stick it to Lebron and sign with the team the Cavs trade Kyrie to? Seriously, where do you guys come up with this stuff??

[Ice009]

So now Wade is going to stick it to Lebron and sign with the team the Cavs trade Kyrie to? Seriously, where do you guys come up with this stuff??

Yeah, that's a legit point. However, would you guys go after Wade if the Spurs can't swing a trade for Kyrie. I would like Wade as the starting 2 guard if we don't get Kyrie.

[Poolboy5623]

The Spurs roster is set. Maybe LMA gets dealt before the deadline, if he's playing well, but if that's the case keep him for the rest of the season. Wade isn't coming and they surely aren't acquiring Kyrie.

[Phenomanul]

The Spurs roster is set. Maybe LMA gets dealt before the deadline, if he's playing well, but if that's the case keep him for the rest of the season. Wade isn't coming and they surely aren't acquiring Kyrie.

I can't make up my mind about whether or not the longer this whole drama is drawn out the more likely they are of acquiring Kyrie.

[Dex]

This thread was fun up to about page 5, but the fact that it's still going is just silliness.

[ducks]

what else do you want to talk about

[Poolboy5623]

I can't make up my mind about whether or not the longer this whole drama is drawn out the more likely they are of acquiring Kyrie.

do you think the cavs are having that hard of a time trying to decide if they should take the Spurs offer? They don't have anything the Cavs want. Not only that but it was said the weren't going to blow up the team for CP3..but now they will for Kyrie? Cmon guys...