I have. He has a fairly high usage when he plays. It's not like he's KA out there. He has the ball a lot and takes shots and is aggressive a lot. I don't think license to shoot is an issue. The issue is he's not good enough yet. He's a bad shooter and very TO prone. He does have a lot of potential and is frankly too young still. I would expect him to be better this season. He might even surprise us bc he was poor in summer league and may be improving. Going to be interesting to watch him.
Not the licence to shoot .
I was talking about handles and comparing them to Jamal who is a very unique player and similar style
Can you imagine if pop coached Jamal as a rookie or at any point in his career.
His game would have been reigned in significantly
I can't agree bc Dejounte is TO at a very high rate frankly. Too much at this point. He does need to reign in his dribble. If he wasn't TO being careless and fancy I am sure it wouldn't be an issue if he was fancy or stylish. But right now that isn't helping.
I lost faith when he completely shat the bed in the Summer League. Maybe he'll be alright. Whatevs.
Dejounte is the best prospect we've had since Kawhi, you can take that for what it's worth but he's the only player on the team with potential to get better (again aside from Kawhi)
Dude definitely needs to hit the weight room.
Wait, nostalgia vanilla fans still think you have to be some physical specimen in order to be good in this league?
Put away the VHS tapes of low scoring 90's post up ball. Please.
That's because just a 19 year old learning the most rigid offense in the NBA & probably spent most of his D league time focusing on how to play and guard P&R.
He looked lost at times when he had chances running the offense and certainly no allowance to freelance dribble or iso.
The little evidence we saw was the Cleveland game where he just pretty much attacked every time he had the ball (i believe he was told pre game that he would get his chance). From memory no points were off the p&r, all iso or attacking in transition
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erffaiamRVo
My take is that he is an iso player who has big confidence with true scoring instincts....
Its hard to compare him to current players.
Jordan Clarkson = Is better then DJ now but i wouldn't make the trade. i believe DJ is more talented & explosive
Jamal Crawford - A more refined version if we are very lucky
James Harden
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Agreed that he is the best prospect the spurs have had since 2011. Really like his upside and trust that the Spurs coaching staff can help him continue to progress.
Because the league is for non athletes who travel and carry. Rules were made to appease dumb people who think the game is only about scoring. When you have that, the game goes from tactical to streetball...Wait, nostalgia vanilla fans still think you have to be some physical specimen in order to be good in this league?
Put away the VHS tapes of low scoring 90's post up ball. Please.
Murray is a poor ball handler for an NBA point guard. Truth is that he doesn't have to be a great ball handler. He just needs to pass the ball to another player when he is guarded by a good ball pressure guard. Part of his embarrassment in Houston was that he tried to fancy dribble around Patrick Beverly...PATRICK BEVERLY...a really good ball hawk. He should have checked his pride and got that ball to Manu or whoever. Once in the half court, he only needs three dribbles or less to get to the rim. But when you are getting ball pressure bringing the ball up, just use your height and advance the ball to the 2 guard. He figured that out after his embarrassment in Houston and started throwing it over the top.
Now how that guy with skinny arms is going to finish at the RIM consistantly in the NBA, I do not know.
Now 21.still very young but no longer 19That's because just a 19 year old learning the most rigid offense in the NBA & probably spent most of his D league time focusing on how to play and guard P&R.
He looked lost at times when he had chances running the offense and certainly no allowance to freelance dribble or iso.
The little evidence we saw was the Cleveland game where he just pretty much attacked every time he had the ball (i believe he was told pre game that he would get his chance). From memory no points were off the p&r, all iso or attacking in transition
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erffaiamRVo
My take is that he is an iso player who has big confidence with true scoring instincts....
Its hard to compare him to current players.
Jordan Clarkson = Is better then DJ now but i wouldn't make the trade. i believe DJ is more talented & explosive
Jamal Crawford - A more refined version if we are very lucky
James Harden
21 is still younger than 24 though. Fathead is 24 and some fluffers still say he has potential
a) 21 and 24 are both young
b) Anderson is way more effective than Murray
a) Anthony Bennett is 24. By that age you can start to get an idea if you're good or trash
b) Kyle is trash
c) Murray's rookie season >>>>>> Kyle's rookie season
Can someone give me some prime HEB steak Fathead per36 numbers?
Big season for Kyle....He needs to show out!
No excuses
In fairness, Kyle dominated summer league and Murray looked like he wouldn't have gotten a camp invite if he didn't already have a guaranteed contract. I don't know that either have 10 year careers in the NBA. I did see Kyle working hard on his game. In fairness, Murray did post a bunch of inspirational quotes about how he's going to be a force.
Not a Kyle thread tbh. If course TGTRoll will make it so.
I do wish Dijon a good season fwiw. Might even surprise us.
Those quotes tho
I put 0 stock into his recent summer league . It's highly likely he was told to do some very specific things (This is going back a long way but TD's summer league was left hooks only and people were worried lol)
What's more impressive to you?
Anderson dominating summer L 2 years ago or Murray's late season & playoffs as a rookie
Neither. Murray was terrible in the playoffs and late season. Not sure why the myth persists that he had a good season. His play only emphasized why Parker is still relevant on this team. I hope Murray does have a good year, but he played horrible in every aspect of of the game this summer.
well you just need to read this thread to see how many were very excited (even calling star potential) about Murray after playoffs and then posters backing off after this summer league.
Summer league means ...its been proven time and time again.
I'll take his elimination game against Houston..
If Murray had had Kyle's SL rather than his rookie season, I would be happier. Kyle showed he could get his own shot and hit it at a high clip. Murray is still extremely inconsistent or bad at everything. Him putting together a string of steady games showing a few things he could hang his hat one would be amazing right now.
Should he be written off after the summer league? no. That'd be ridiculous. I still expect him to be the starter going into the year. But he deserves some flack for a) sucking it up after hyping himself over and over and b) showing a piss-poor at ude when things weren't going his way. Those things make me wonder if he believes that success is a matter of waiting rather than and ever-rising bar he has to hit. "Good, better, best", and all that.
Kawhi invited some teammates to work out with him this summer. He didn't make a big announcement about it or post it on Instagram. He just wanted to get better with some folks. Murray bragged about it over and over. It would do him some good to pump the breaks on that type of at ude, at least in his own mind until he can back that talk up. I love him being vocal, but that can't be his most developed attribute.
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