Star Wars: The last Jedi *** SPOILERS, probably ***

[UZER]

Well only because he was the only Jedi around at the time. He literally just became a Jedi at the end of ROTJ, after a lot of failures and a battle with the Dark Side. To act like his destiny after ROTJ is to be a dominant Jedi badass for 30+ years is completely unrealistic. What’s more realistic would be Luke never being able to achieve the levels of his past successes, and to slowly decline. The Luke we see in TLJ is a completely unromantic, worst case scenario Luke, but it is certainly more believable than the deification of Luke that many people had in their minds.

Of course it's relevant to the current generation that is alive. Thats a given. Thats the story and time line we're in. Everyone in the galaxy knows who Luke Skywalker is after he took down Vader and the Emperor. So yes, to the people alive, he is the most legendary Jedi ever. Some even think he's just a legend period.

And I'm cool with Luke being on the island, a little grumpy and crazy from being there so long. I'm even ok with him being reluctant to leave the island, especially to go fight, because he's been kooked up for so long. But he should have been there growing his powers all these years. I mean, then why the did he go THAT island I'm the first place? That's how a bad ass Luke ending could've taken place, because he was studying alone all these years and developed beyond anything ever seen. He was, after all, the son of the chosen one.

The whole 'he almost killed Kylo' is stupid and unlike Luke too. I mean, the dude went face to face and redeemed Darth freaking Vader. Why would he think about killing a nephew he was entrusted to train, when Kylo hadnt even done anything yet? Because he had bad thoughts? Just a dumb, unbelievable plot line for Luke.

Vin Diesel isn't Luke Skywalker, and the F&F isn't Star Wars. There are thing you can make 'unromantic', but doing it to an icon of the past 40 years is dismissive to everything that's come before. It comes across as doing something different just to do something different. It's not genuine.

[leemajors]

This would be a good take if the original trilogy wasn’t so caught up in the notion of destiny. To think Luke is some pitily at the end of ROTJ totally discredits his narrative arc, and one of the most powerful motifs of the original three movies: kid coming from a backwoods planet and bringing down the empire. That and the fact that the intervening years sees him start a school for a new generation of Jedi.

I could see your point if they made Luke seem like some invinceable bad ass. But to make him seem like a ty stand up comic, with ridiculous proclivities (lol milking teets), who’s constantly shook is absolutely disengenious to the character.

Yes, he came from a backwoods planet, brought down the empire, and now he's supposed to know how to train a new generation of Jedi because he spent a few weeks with Yoda?

[vy65]

Yes, he came from a backwoods planet, brought down the empire, and now he's supposed to know how to train a new generation of Jedi because he spent a few weeks with Yoda?

Those are some pretty strong credentials, so yes.

Regardless, I’d need his potential failures explored before giving a either way. Why do you gloss over that entire backstory?

[vy65]

And on a complete side note; wtf was up with Hux. The first movie made him seem like the second coming of Hitler. TLJ has him getting trolled as “general Hugs” by XWing Jerky Boy’s?

[monosylab1k]

monosylab1k

I knew this . People have been creating troll acounts, multiple at a time to trash the movie on RT

https://movieweb.com/rotten-tomatoes...ore-fake-news/

and all the lemmings on this site fell for it and formed their opinions accordingly.

[monosylab1k]

But seriously, SpursTalk.

[vy65]

Of course it's relevant to the current generation that is alive. Thats a given. Thats the story and time line we're in. Everyone in the galaxy knows who Luke Skywalker is after he took down Vader and the Emperor. So yes, to the people alive, he is the most legendary Jedi ever. Some even think he's just a legend period.

And I'm cool with Luke being on the island, a little grumpy and crazy from being there so long. I'm even ok with him being reluctant to leave the island, especially to go fight, because he's been kooked up for so long. But he should have been there growing his powers all these years. I mean, then why the did he go THAT island I'm the first place? That's how a bad ass Luke ending could've taken place, because he was studying alone all these years and developed beyond anything ever seen. He was, after all, the son of the chosen one.

The whole 'he almost killed Kylo' is stupid and unlike Luke too. I mean, the dude went face to face and redeemed Darth freaking Vader. Why would he think about killing a nephew he was entrusted to train, when Kylo hadnt even done anything yet? Because he had bad thoughts? Just a dumb, unbelievable plot line for Luke.

Vin Diesel isn't Luke Skywalker, and the F&F isn't Star Wars. There are thing you can make 'unromantic', but doing it to an icon of the past 40 years is dismissive to everything that's come before. It comes across as doing something different just to do something different. It's not genuine.

This.

[monosylab1k]

The whole 'he almost killed Kylo' is stupid and unlike Luke too. I mean, the dude went face to face and redeemed Darth freaking Vader. Why would he think about killing a nephew he was entrusted to train, when Kylo hadnt even done anything yet? Because he had bad thoughts? Just a dumb, unbelievable plot line for Luke.

So in 30+ years a person can’t change? Nobody is the same at 60 as they are at 20. nobody is the same at 30 as they are at 20. Just because he did great things 30 years earlier doesn’t mean he’s incapable of making a poor decision ever again. And he never “decided” to kill Kylo, he had a momentary lapse in judgement that he immediately corrected. Kinda like that time he almost killed Darth Vader right before changing his mind. And it’s not that Kylo had done “nothing”, it’s made pretty clear that he was already under Snoke’s influence.

Just because YOU personally didn’t want this for Luke doesn’t mean it isn’t an authentic, realistic storyline for him.

There are thing you can make 'unromantic', but doing it to an icon of the past 40 years is dismissive to everything that's come before.

Luke still accomplished everything he did, nobody went in the past and erased it. Is Michael Jordan’s entire legacy somehow a failure because he sucks at being an owner?

[angrydude]

and all the lemmings on this site fell for it and formed their opinions accordingly.

So much denial. This movie was . It's the type of movie where the more you think about it the tier it gets.

[howbouthemspurs]

The Last Jedi was an amazing movie! I loved every bit of it!

[ColinB]

And I'm cool with Luke being on the island, a little grumpy and crazy from being there so long. I'm even ok with him being reluctant to leave the island, especially to go fight, because he's been kooked up for so long. But he should have been there growing his powers all these years. I mean, then why the did he go THAT island I'm the first place? That's how a bad ass Luke ending could've taken place, because he was studying alone all these years and developed beyond anything ever seen. He was, after all, the son of the chosen one.

You must have missed the whole projection thing.

[leemajors]

Those are some pretty strong credentials, so yes.

Regardless, I’d need his potential failures explored before giving a either way. Why do you gloss over that entire backstory?

If they'd cut out the entire casino thing and explored that further I would have been fine with it, but it seems like it could be its own movie/novel. The Skywalkers in general seem to be halfass teachers to their students - Anakin/Ahsoka, Luke/Ben.

[Spurtacular]

Snowflake Wars, tbh.

[Spurtacular]

How did they not reshoot his parts with a new actor, honestly? , they should've saw this in the first day in the ing cutting room.

[Spurtacular]

The Leia space scene didn't really even bother me. I assume if a powerful Jedi can lift a ship out of water, they can also create enough force to pull themselves towards a ship in weightless space. Execution was a little cheesy, I guess, but that's a minor gripe.

How come she only saved herself? That's a pretty big oversight, imo.

[Texas_Ranger]

LOL @ Leia Superman scene. She'd be dead in a second, as would anyone, if they were to be sucked out in space. So, they made her use the force, when she was dead already. I could count 100 problems with this re ed movie, but that would just frustrate me even more.

[lefty20]

LOL @ Leia Superman scene. She'd be dead in a second, as would anyone, if they were to be sucked out in space.

More like at least 15-30 seconds, assuming you don't hold your breath.

Source - Pierce Brown and google.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

This. TFA was not nearly as good as people make it seem. And it’s all the more reason why Rogue One worked so well. New characters, with similar themes, but with a new perspective. It was true to the original trilogy while developing characters that you can become invested in.

+1 !!

[leemajors]

https://io9.gizmodo.com/hilariously-...-je-1821394256

[Cuppycake Gumdrop]

LOL @ Leia Superman scene. She'd be dead in a second, as would anyone, if they were to be sucked out in space.

i mean, these days all it takes is one quick google search before you post something stupid like this.

[Spurminator]

Seems kind of silly to nit-pick the realism of floating in space for a few seconds in a film where a dude teleports his image across the galaxy to interact with other people before vanishing into thin air.

[spurraider21]

Seems kind of silly to nit-pick the realism of floating in space for a few seconds in a film where a dude teleports his image across the galaxy to interact with other people before vanishing into thin air.

yeah.

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reminds me of Reck complaining that an ice-zombie dragon blowing fire wasn't a "magical" enough event to bring down the ice wall

[da_suns_fan]

I didnt have as much of a problem with the Luke/Rey/Kylo story as the other half of the movie.

THIS was the other half of the film:

A capital ship engages enemies and loses all of their bombers due to a poor decision by an ace pilot. The capital ship flees but cannot escape the enemy fleet due to a tracking device. So two characters ESCAPE to find a hacker who help the capital ship escape. Along the way they free some enslaved llamas. Another hero stages a mutiny on the capital ship to assist the plan. They make their way to an enemy ship to disable a tracker but are captured. No biggie. The peeps on the capital ship knew about a secret base nearby and didnt tell anyone else. So they just go there. But what about our characters who were captured? They manage to escape when Laura Dern kamikazees the capital ship into the enemy ship just as our heroes are about to be killed which then allows them to escape in an enemy ship to the secret base that they somehow know about. They get shot down by their friends but its okay, they live and manage to convince their friends theyre good guys. Then they make one last stand against the bad guys. They fly some speeders out to meet the bad guys but they just get picked off one by one. One of our heroes decides he's going to take out the bad guys even if it kills him but another character prevents this from happening by crashing her ship into his. Dont' worry, they both live. When all hope is lost, another character from the other half of the story shows up and creates a diversion for them to escape. Their actions supposedly inspires children to join their cause.

The "resistance" are a bunch of idiots. I was not inspired to "join". If i was part of the resistance, I would ask "how do i QUIT? This is a cluster ."

[Chinook]

Just too much truth. ^ Crazy that Finn and Poe didn't have a big shootout as the climax of their story.

They also set up Rey and Finn as being two souls trying to find each other across space but then forget for large chunks of time that that is their motivation (especially for Finn). They could have held two very different plots together had they actually kept that theme up. But , they were on the same ship at the same time and still didn't meet up. WTF?

Abrams' decision to keep Poe alive has really ed the series. Dude's not thematically interesting and has been negative to neutral narratively but still took the camera for like a quarter of the runtime.

[UZER]

Just too much truth. ^ Crazy that Finn and Poe didn't have a big shootout as the climax of their story.

They also set up Rey and Finn as being two souls trying to find each other across space but then forget for large chunks of time that that is their motivation (especially for Finn). They could have held two very different plots together had they actually kept that theme up. But , they were on the same ship at the same time and still didn't meet up. WTF?

Abrams' decision to keep Poe alive has really ed the series. Dude's not thematically interesting and has been negative to neutral narratively but still took the camera for like a quarter of the runtime.

But he's great at hamming it up.