Made the mistake of peeking at the replies and saw this
These type of "built not bought" got fans are the same ones that don't bother voting for the ASG because "our Spurs would prefer the rest". Worst fan base in basketball.
Yes, the Spurs aren't idiots. You take Lebron, even an older Lebron, because he is that good. At the same time, I don't know if the Spurs can handle the type of control over a franchise that Lebron demands. He isn't a Ball-like distraction, but no doubt he and his buddies run the Cavs. Not sure Pop would allow any of that as he is a control freak as well.
Kawhi's injuries closed the door on this.
1- Houston
2- Lakers (purely a business decision with an eye on his post-playing career)
3- Clippers (If they get Paul George)
4- Miami (dark horse)
5- Cleveland
6- New York (mystique and business)
All of the above teams have better chance at landing him..
Very well may have. I think Lebron may have had a sit-down with Pop. Not sure if the Spurs will even get that anymore.
The (star) players love/admire/respect Pop is arguably the most overrated and vacuous thing in the entire league..
The reality is only Duncan would have have allowed him to be what he is..
I don't see two control freaks like Lebron and Pop ever working together.
But...
Lebron
Green
Kawhi
Bertans/Gay
Aldridge
Houston is the front runner...
I stated that on here before season started..
Spurs gotta have things in place in order to make a pitch to LeBron. That was the biggest issue this offseason regarding Paul..there were too many moving parts to truly grasp what the team will look like..even if the final product was better than Houston.
At least the Spurs know what they have player/salary wise this go around. Houston will have to get creative with moving parts and other things must happen first. Meanwhile Spurs can move players like Mills or Gasol etc.
CP3-Harden-LeBron or Kawhi-LeBron-LMA
Rockets trio is better/easier sell imo. They’re all friends they all play different positions and the system they’d play in would be fun. Spurs trio imo would match up better against GSW due to size and GSW not being able to guard anyone of those guys..but everything outside of that favors Houston.
Like Broussard says tho “strictly ball” Spurs make most sense..but life for LeBron living in SA isn’t a good fit at all.
I don't see him coming here.
1. I agree with Nathan89, Kawhi's injuries are going to influence all FA this summer negatively. I don't think the Spurs are going to be a draw this summer, unfortunately.
2. They have to pretty much wipe out the entire roster down to like 4 guys or something to open up a max slot. Here's an article from Project Spurs that does a breakdown of all that needs to go down to open up a max slot.
https://projectspurs.com/2018/01/18/...cap-situation/
BTW Lebron isn't signing for less than the max.. nor should he.
It's too uphill on both fronts (Kiwi injured, roster bare down to 4 signed guys or something and one of them is injury prone -- take your fanglasses off).
That's an impossible roster.But...
Lebron
Green
Kawhi
Bertans/Gay
Aldridge
As explained here: https://projectspurs.com/2018/01/18/...cap-situation/ In order to open up a max spot for Lebron, the Spurs have to renounce all their RFA (no Bertans), and all their players with an option opt out and leave (no Danny and no Gay either)...
If you read the article, (I recommend it btw.. outside Chinook, I don't think anyone else has been that thorough explaining cap intricacies) you will understand why Lebron in San Antonio is a fantasy... add in Kawhi's injuries and it's just not going to happen.
Last edited by SAGirl; 01-19-2018 at 01:36 PM.
It isn't impossible with Tony's 15 millions off the book and some moves (trade Patt and/or Pau).
did you read the article or no?
to create the space. you have to renounce all of your RFA, retire manu and stretch him, let all of your players with options opt out and leave and that still leaves with you with
Here is what you propose:The seven remaining players currently account for $78,410,994 in guaranteed contracts after including the final season of Tim Duncan’s stretched contract. With the cap projected to be $101 million dollars for the 2018-2019 off-season, this would appear to leave the Spurs with $22,589,006 in cap space. This is not exactly the case, however. If the Spurs were to waive each of their free agents’ cap holds and waive Paul, they would only have 7 players on the roster, resulting in roster charges equaling $4,156,555 in total, taking their potential cap space down to $18,432,451, which is about half of what the Spurs’ would need to sign a veteran max-contract level player.
If the Spurs’ wanted to open max space this off-season, the easiest path would be trading Pau Gasol to a team with the cap space to absorb his contract. The Spurs’ would most likely need to include one or multiple draft picks and a young, talented player, such as Dejounte Murray, for the other team to accept absorbing a $16.8 million dollar contract. Trading Gasol and Murray to shed space next off-season would free San Antonio’s cap space up to $35,950,136, after accounting for roster charges and assuming Ginobili retires and the Spurs’ stretch his contract. This would leave the Spurs with only four players under contract and just enough space to sign a veteran free agent, however, which makes the series of events unlikely for the Spurs.
Even if you trade out a package of Gasol and Murray to some team that has the capspace to take him in, you still need to renounce all your RFA and have everyone opt out. That is the way I understood that article. I only quoted what' relevant to your specific point, but it's tough to understand without reading the article with the breakdown he gives.
Edit: I understood the remaining 4 players in the roster to be: Kawhi, Lamarcus, Mills and Derrick White. You have room to add a max Lebron and one veteran FA... (the MLE?)
Last edited by SAGirl; 01-19-2018 at 01:39 PM.
Why is everyone talking like Kawhi is going to miss the entire season?
I am not assuming anything, but he is questionable and very well may. No one knows.
maybe he’d go to the knicks? i don’t see him going to the lakers. maybe jerry west could help clippers’ chances...
he’s not going to golden state or boston. who else is there... sa/hou/okc. he wants to win imo. especially after he gets beat in the finals again.
Pop laughed at the notion that he would be out the season. He isn't questionable for the year. He is out right now indefinitely. And the reason they said indefinitely is so they wouldn't have to put a time frame on it, but nothing the Spurs or anyone else has said would indicate that he is at risk for missing the entire season.
Legacy's ass. When you retire, you need wealth. Lebron said he want's to be a billionaire. Scotty Pippen has 6 rings. He's damn near broke.
Maybe because he cannot string together consecutive games?
Listen... you can believe whatever you want.
Pop's "sooner rather than later" meant the team has already played 46 games, they are already something like 60% of the season in, and Kawhi is out indefinitely
The way I understood the interviews, he's had pain the entire time. He is better than he was when the season started, but his pain was increasing with even a very mild work schedule, so I don't expect him back.
For all we know it might take him another 3 months to get past this setback and that is already too close to the playoffs for him to be going through 2 days in between games, 15 minutes at a time... the entire shindig that they went through right now. It all depends on how he's healing and he's not healing well. So you can believe whatever you want, I am pessimistic based on his trajectory and I prefer that they don't rush him and he doesn't rush himself to get back if he's not 100% as in 0 pain.
If this is something he's going to have to deal for his entire career then it's a worse prognosis.
But if that is the only thing they are basing it on then they haven't been paying attention to what Pop and the Spurs have been saying.
Again, just speculation. People (not you, but others) are acting like his year and career are in jeopardy based just on speculation.
And if he rehabs properly, it won't be something that he has to deal with his entire career.
I mean, he’s right if we’re talking winning championships tbh
When he said that tho, their record was 8-5. He returned when they were 19-8. Let's just hope it isn't too long this go around for him. He started to look better the more he played (naturally) so lets just hope that pain level gets to manageable level
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