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    Thought the same... Hopefully it's reflected in his next deal indeed.

    Someone commented in the game thread Spurs spending a lot on backup PG...


    Seems familiar:

    http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...=1#post9258289

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    But didn't Mike Conley and Chris Paul dismiss the Spurs because they were worried about Tony Parker Taking a back seat? It's one thing to step aside for a better player, it's quite another to step aside for a flat out scrub who doesn't do anything well at this point in time.
    It also means that the Spurs could technically trade for a starting point guard and Parker wouldn't have problems playing the backup which sounds good in my book.

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    It also means that the Spurs could technically trade for a starting point guard and Parker wouldn't have problems playing the backup which sounds good in my book.
    Kemba, come on down!

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    When does START WHITE start?

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    When does START WHITE start?
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    Like I’ve said before I’m fine with Murray starting. AT some point Pop had to do it since the offense never improved enough with Mills/TP.

    But people acting like this is some automatic good thing are crazy to me. Is there potential? Of course. But Murray being better than tp/mills does not mean he’s been good. He hasn’t. He’s graded out as a non-starter level player so far.

    Let’s hope it works and Murray makes some serious gains on offense.

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    Makes me wonder what triggered this. PATFO knows that Murray isn't going to make the offense better and that starting Murray isn't going to make them automatically win games but what's the end game here? Is it to prepare DJ for next year? Is it to see what they have in Murray and see if they need to make a trade? Are they considering this a lost season of sorts due to the uncertainty of Kawhi so they now have the flexibility to start Murray (this one is a reach,I know)? I remember in the past when the team struggled like they have, Pop was known to make changes to the starting lineup whether it was to bench Manu to fortify the bench or start Tony over Antonio Daniels four games into the season, etc etc. I just find it interesting because this obviously has long-term implications. Either DJ is the point guard of the future or there's going to be a revolving door for that position. Seems like the future is now.

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    I think Pop knew what Murray was when TP was injured to start the season. The offense was bad and he was tinkering with TP/Mills since he knew what Murray brought.

    Now that it’s over the half-way point and he’s seen everything, he understands that they will have to win with defense since the offense has no reasonable path to getting better. So he’s going to live with Murray’s warts and hope it works out since he gives Sa the best defensive potential at least.

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    I by no means think the season is over or Kawhi related.

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    Makes me wonder what triggered this. PATFO knows that Murray isn't going to make the offense better and that starting Murray isn't going to make them automatically win games but what's the end game here? Is it to prepare DJ for next year? Is it to see what they have in Murray and see if they need to make a trade? Are they considering this a lost season of sorts due to the uncertainty of Kawhi so they now have the flexibility to start Murray (this one is a reach,I know)? I remember in the past when the team struggled like they have, Pop was known to make changes to the starting lineup whether it was to bench Manu to fortify the bench or start Tony over Antonio Daniels four games into the season, etc etc. I just find it interesting because this obviously has long-term implications. Either DJ is the point guard of the future or there's going to be a revolving door for that position. Seems like the future is now.
    They don’t have a starter quality PG and Murray is their best young prospect. It’s that simple.

    They need a trade at this point and if they aren’t able to swing one, then they need to find out what they really have in Murray and see if he improves. He’s the only one with upside of the 3. If he doesn’t improve it could potentially be a revolving door until they find a real answer or swing a trade, but if they trade Murray is likely out. For that reason it makes double the sense to find out what they really have in him.

    Possible that if Kawhi is lost for the season they need to develop guys too. I know, reach, but what else is there to do in what would be a lost season if Kawhi doesn’t recover in time? If you are going to be losing games at least develop your best prospects.

    Also, I still think trades are possible, if not midseason then in the summer. Murray gets devalued if he’s not playing. Still think Mills is most likely to be dealt if Tony remains a bench player.

    I am rooting for Murray to pull it together.

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    I think Pop knew what Murray was when TP was injured to start the season. The offense was bad and he was tinkering with TP/Mills since he knew what Murray brought.

    Now that it’s over the half-way point and he’s seen everything, he understands that they will have to win with defense since the offense has no reasonable path to getting better. So he’s going to live with Murray’s warts and hope it works out since he gives Sa the best defensive potential at least.
    Agreed with this.
    They are going to win or lose ugly grind out games.

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    3 months to late tbh but glad to see him finally get the nod to start.

    He aint no point guard but he has the tools to be one of the best perimeter defenders in the L

    Boss mills to close out & play the microwave role ....TP to be salary dumped

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    Never. Book it.
    I actually like white better than Murray. Better handles and a much better shooter. Has size and length to match Murray.

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    Who are the top 5 on here?

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    My dude Brazil warming up that sig.

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    Who are the top 5 on here?
    I got 8 names on any given day. Gonna keep mine private.

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    3 months to late tbh but glad to see him finally get the nod to start.

    He aint no point guard but he has the tools to be one of the best perimeter defenders in the L

    Boss mills to close out & play the microwave role ....TP to be salary dumped
    And youre an idiot because he looked like garbage and made everyone worse for 28 min. Hes worse than iman shumpert

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    And youre an idiot because he looked like garbage and made everyone worse for 28 min. Hes worse than iman shumpert
    Did you not read the "he's not a pg" part of the post.

    Give him free reign up until the deadline and showcase him.


    This season and next are throw aways so let him put up numbers

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    Have you not seen him play? Whos trading for a rebounding perimeter player who cant shoot dribble pass, and turns it over regularly? He rebounds the ball. You overrate his defense.

    Give him free reign up until the deadline and showcase him... why? He loses value

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    Have you not seen him play? Whos trading for a rebounding perimeter player who cant shoot dribble pass, and turns it over regularly? He rebounds the ball. You overrate his defense.

    Give him free reign up until the deadline and showcase him... why? He loses value
    whats the alternative? TP/Mills playing up until the deadline

    we have no choice.....he needs to start and its sink or swim

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    whats the alternative? TP/Mills playing up until the deadline

    we have no choice.....he needs to start and its sink or swim
    Hes lost value since the beginning of the sesson. Spurs should have buried him and used youth as an excuse. Then traded.

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    If you listened to me and traded him before free agency and Summer league, I think his value back then would have been much higher. Almost everyone here DID NOT want to trade him at all.

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    I see flashes of good in the guy and he has the physical tools to be special indeed. What kills me is that he hasn't really shown consistent improvement in any aspect. I am not ready to give up on him but I do want to see him go to the Austin team, I don't think that starting him here at this point is the right move. When he is challenged he goes back to his bad habits. Having a place where he can be better able to build good habits is more important.

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