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A lot of it was tongue in cheek with objective because me and him hate the job they did this past summer. Sucks when you call out a bad deal before it happens and the Spurs still do it tbh..
I'm not acting like . I'm explicitly saying that folks thinking the Spurs should have done what Ainge did by trading their vets are being dumb. It's really dumb. The team won a le because they didn't trade their vets. Would I love for the team to have 2014 AND a bunch of picks/youth? Probably. But I am perfectly fine with them having 2014 and their current roster over Boston's history over the past decade, or even half-decade. And it would take a dynasty from Boston to get me to change my mind.
A lot of it was tongue in cheek with objective because me and him hate the job they did this past summer. Sucks when you call out a bad deal before it happens and the Spurs still do it tbh..
no one said anything about trading Duncan. I was specifically talking about the moves post 2014
Is it so hard to admit that the Mills and Gasol signings were bad? Are we less fans for saying that?
It's not about the picks to me, its the way Ainge does business all around. It's how he preserved capspace for the right opportunities ( Horford, Hayward), how he didn't allocate his cap space to players like Patty Mills, how he didn't give in to the sentimental aspect of the business and didn't give IT his deal ( he had no intensions of doing so). How he drafts and targets the right kind of players ( versatile- two way - long - athletic). All around he's done a great job.
And yet, because he "waited" he is being caught in the middle of GS' dynasty and doesn't have an outlook any better than Philly's and a couple of other teams. The number of teams that are "young and upcoming" and the number that go from that to a contender is very different. You're asking me to wait before judging Boston's future. But you aren't doing the same.
Ainge would have let Manu go in 2013. He almost certainly would have traded Tony in 2011.
Why do people say stuff like “spurs have only won 1 le since 2007.” umm some teams havent won one ever. Only a small handful of teams have won since then. Not saying we shouldnt be eyeing the le its just spoiled as to say “only” 1 le
And Ainge is a great GM but his team will never challenge GS. Spurs fan on this board would still be ing we weren't true contenders if we were in bostons shoes
Spurs didn't know any better and they're paying for it now. They're handing out bad loyalty contracts like they're going out of style and they'll be more to come next offseason. They lucked out with a big three that could still play at a very high level, Kawhi Leonard who was thought of as a defensive specialist, not a league MVP, though RC wanted Jonas Valanciunas (dodged a bullet), Tiago Splitter, who was a good situational big and Boris Diaw (thanks Tony parker).
But with all that sticktuitiveness, they won a single championship.
Basically you want everything the Spurs have had - les, longevity, loyalty to stars, 2014, AND you want all of Boston's picks and future because they found a monumental idiot GM and made a once in a decade kind of deal. I'd want that too, tbh, and I'm not even sure their immediate future is better than the Spurs'.
How many les have the "new-age", calculated GMs won in the same time? (Answer is zero). Each of the le teams of the past decade has had its share of loyalty contracts except maybe Boston. Riley tried to be heartless, and it got his stars leaving and a mediocre team with two outstanding picks.
Patty mills you can call a loyalty contract. idk wtf you call Gasol's though, that was just an incredibly foolish signing. should have been 1 year
True, but let me ask you this, how many of those "new age" GMs had Tim Duncan? Are people still disregarding the importance and impact of Tim Duncan after all these years?
I hope not. Duncan was the best foundational piece for a le ever. Kawhi's not particularly close both in terms of All-Time status and temperament. However, as you like to say, a team has won a le nine times over the past ten years without Tim. None of those teams had a "new-age" GM.
Also not trading Timmy D... is not the same as standing pat a couple of years after he retired and re-upping roleplayers at premium prices... no way.
Frankly... Bryn has been shooting better than Bertans, and is shooting better than 50 Mills and Tony. I'd rather keep Bryn this season if you aren't bringing in a guard who can score.
Realize Murray doesn't really score that much, he doesn't shoot on top of that, Manu is on minutes limitations, 50 Mills is in a complacent mode bc he got paid and maybe needs a wake up call like Danny, (btw how is it that Danny gets yelled at and gets benched, yet 50 Mills is so brash as to state he got paid for the past and there is no pressure? and this dude is supposed to be a leader? GTFO Pop).... Tony is just washed up.
I'm confused as to what you mean by "new age" GM. Technology/sabermetrics guru? Young Blood? Steve Kerr? My point being that the Spurs would have zero championships to their name without Tim Duncan. All that togetherness and loyalty gets them no rings without the big fundamental in tow. It's not those other gms fault they lacked a center peice.
Didn't the Warriors build their team through the draft and haven't they primarily kept their team together? Aren't the Warriors doing what the Spurs did, only better?
Non alcoholic still in their 40s tbh
omg this was funny.
Boston is a much harder opponents and a much better fit against GSW.
Exactly. Stepien levels of idiocy.
Meaning those who are trying to "money-ball" their teams and push for "value" over relationship.
The Warriors are doing it better at the moment, due to their team being younger. That will probably wane sooner than people think. Regardless, all that does is underscore how much the Spurs approach works. GS is "new-age" in the sense of their play-style. But they aren't like that at all in terms of their player relations. Just look at Iggy's deal.Didn't the Warriors build their team through the draft and haven't they primarily kept their team together? Aren't the Warriors doing what the Spurs did, only better?
Gasol.. Pop has wanted him for years. Notoriously didn't want to sign with the Spurs, was it in 2014? He got more money in Chicago. Pop still wanted him and when Timmy retired, Pop wasn't really ready to embrace an era that was more perimeter oriented and he wanted 2 bigs. To be fair, Pop likes Durant's game but he chose to go to GSW.
HIs initial contract was signed in the summer of 2016, a year that many foolish and over the top contracts were handed out to roleplayers. I thought the Spurs giving him his deal for just 2 seasons was a great way for them to have handled the ridiculous prices and contracts given out in 2016... but of course, then they went and splashed up 2 seasons on top of it.
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