School shooting: Parkland, Florida

[monosylab1k]

Yeah it’s pretty inexcusable of the FBI. That’s literally the entire point of them existing.

[Mark Celibate]

Yeah it’s pretty inexcusable of the FBI. That’s literally the entire point of them existing.

No it isn’t, it’s to protect obama/Clinton and investigate drumpf evidently

[boutons_deux]

Yeah it’s pretty inexcusable of the FBI. That’s literally the entire point of them existing.

somewhat agree, but any local FBI office could be getting 10s or 100s of leads, tips on suspects.

What do they do if they get what looks like a serious threat but the person has done nothing wrong?

[Spurminator]

Wrong thread

[lebomb]

"Robert Lasky, special agent-in-charge with FBI, said they are conducting an in-depth review of how they respond to tips from the public.

His announcement comes after the FBI admitted someone close to the shooter called a tipline in January, but no one acted on the information. The information was not passed to the Miami Field Office.

"We truly regret any additional pain that this has caused," he said at the news conference.

He continued: “The men and women who work in the Miami field office are part of this community. We walk the same streets. Our children attend the same schools to include Stoneman Douglas. We worship at the same places. We are part of this community. As this community hurts so do we."


I bet a visit to this kids house would have prevented the tragedy. Wow.

[rmt]

Ds said that 3/4 of the student body didn't show up today because there was a rumor of gun threat circulating via text. Wonder how many pranks nationwide.

[boutons_deux]

a pilot instructor reported to FBI that a flight learner, a foreigner, wanted to learn how to fly, but now how to takeoff and land, but FBI did nothing.

It was one of the 9/11 hijackers.

[Chris]

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[pgardn]

Like he was the only kid in MS HS school/CC with these problems?
You gonna fund the alternative school that puts up teenage boys that threaten people and have an interest in guns?

I say this party takes place at your house.

Young males are incredibly violent creatures in many cultures. If one looks at violent crime rate in almost ANY country, it's teenage to mid 20s males. The availability of weapons that kill many quickly, IS a problem in this country. The only reason males of this age are not more efficient is probably because they are too immature to totally think thru a situation.

Now Vegas dude, he did a proper job.

IMO "mental health", is kicking the can down the road as well. There are plenty of mental health care patients who are totally nonviolent except towards themselves. This fictious quick ID of unstable people that WILL use a weapon... I wish it could be this easy.

And I'm not sure about how to approach getting these types of weapons and the associated ammo off the streets. I'm not exactly sure how to classify them. That's for the people who really know these tactics and weapons. Our gun group on here probably has the best ideas how to classify. So go ahead and start. If you had to be better than Mr. Vegas, where do you go easily, and what do you use easily purchased?

Acknowledgment to Chris

Now that more info is in.
FBI failed IMO.

The bolded is too flippant on my part. Though it still is a problem.
The rest, still stands.

[Blake]

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K, what were they going to do about it?

[Blake]

Acknowledgment to Chris

Now that more info is in.
FBI failed IMO.

The bolded is too flippant on my part. Though it still is a problem.
The rest, still stands.

What should the fbi have done here?

[pgardn]

What should the fbi have done here?

Say they had looked at it and took these steps.

[Blake]

Say they had looked at it and took these steps.

What steps

[pgardn]

What steps

Have you read this thread?

[Blake]

Have you read this thread?

Yeah, all 13 pages. If you want to stop at "they just should have done more" fine, but I myself want to figure out how they specifically ed up here

[pgardn]

Nah.

I agree they may have difficulty stopping it.
But the protocol... Learn.

[pgardn]

And why did we not learn before.
My bolded is flippant.

[DMX7]

The first thing we need to do is pass common sense gun control legislation but we must also address the systemic issue of racism in our country.

Are you going to look at this and tell me racism isn't alive and well in America? P.F. Chang's? Are you ing kidding me, Channel 7 WLS-ABC?

[William Hung]

Don't mess with Texas

[Chris]

[Chris]

May need to ban knives

[DMC]

There's never a single "magic bullet" answer. But I believe we can blame a few elements of modern (American) life (since the 1980s, which is when mass/school shootings started increasing to uncomfortable frequencies) that could possibly explain the epidemic.

- As noted earlier by myself and a few others, mental health treatment in the country is terrible. To demonstrate how much society "cares" about mental health treatment, it costs 75K per year here in California (in tax dollars) to house an inmate (who is more than likely a non-violent offender and suffering from a mental health issue like addiction). In comparison, only 160 dollars are ear marked per capita for mental health treatment. See this list here on how much each state spends per capita: http://www.governing.com/gov-data/he...-by-state.html. And the nationwide average to house inmates is 33K per year.

Furthermore, I don't see it as a surprise correlation that the mass shooting epidemic started in the 1980s after Reagan signed the Omnibus Act, which considerably slashed mental health care funding. And henceforth, the majority (if not all) states enacted a 72 hour hold provision in lieu of in-patient ins utional commitment (the former is obviously much cheaper).

- 24 hours news cycle. Disillusioned, potentially violent people looking for a way to "get back" at society are notorious copycats. I grew up in the 80s, and never once saw a report about a mass shooting (despite there being many of them). CNN was only on cable, so there wasn't any channels that would cover a breaking story such as a mass shooting 24/7. The most coverage an incident like that would get would be a quick segment on the local 10 'o clock news (unless of course the incident was local to the area). So in those days, a brooding, unstable misanthrope ostensibly had less access to "inspirational ideas" and/or would receive much less coverage of his act (a typical trait of mass shooters is they want their act to be remembered). Today, a mass shooter is basically turned into a quasi-celebrity via the endless amount of news websites and channels, and for copycats, there's no shortage of "heroes," who are now household names, to emulate.

- Highest divorce rate in US history, single parent households at an all-time high. Not the best environment to rear children, and I'm not surprised there's a correlation (and epidemic divorce started in the 1980s).

- Echoing point 1, I think anti-depressants and other behavioral altering psychotropic drugs could play a role. Even though these drugs have been around for decades, we still really don't know the full range of their side-effects or efficacy. SSRIs never endured a comprehensive clinical trial before they were rushed out into the market. And recent studies have shown they're no more effective than placebo for treating depression. https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...not-take-ssris. And yet, physicians dish them out like candy. And once again, another positive correlation between the rise of SSRI prescriptions and mass shootings.

- This is probably the opinion you'll disagree with, but considering all the above, I think it is prudent to enact stricter gun control. The above factors have seemed to create a decline in our collective society's responsibility and trustworthiness, so to continue with 1940s gun control laws in the face of that doesn't make sense, at least until we get the above sociological factors sorted out. A troubled individual like Cruz should not have been able to walk into a gun store and buy an AR-15 like he was ordering a cheeseburger. Again, no bans, confiscation, just more vetting. Minimum age 21 and you're required to undergo a licensing procedure like when driving a car. Since mandatory mental health checkups can seem a bit draconian, maybe a mandatory renewal of your license every 2 years should be put into the books. I also think a tiered licensing structure makes sense. Class A, B, C. If you want to own something like an AR-15, I think you first need to prove yourself a responsible "Class A" (shotguns, hunting rifles, revolvers) gun owner for a couple of years before you graduate to a higher class license. Automobile licenses are structured similarly.

I could successfully argue for a total ban coupled with buy-back then confiscation of military style semi-automatic weapons. The left can't, because they are ignorant of the facts and they wait for emotional moments to try to get something going, but it comes across as politicizing a tragedy.

People who buy hunting rifles are likely not dreaming of shooting other people. While it's true that many many decent/neutral people own and use AR-15 style rifles, they have become the fad of the lunatic fringe.

Claim: Criminals would still have them
Rebuttal: True, but how many mass shootings were committed by wanted felons? Most of them, if not all of them, were legally innocent prior to that event.

Claim: 2nd Amendment
Rebuttal: This is a tough one. The USSC is tasked with interpreting and defending the BoR, however it's not divine edict. It's simply a nation that has to decide how to move on an issue and a supreme court that has to be presented with facts that don't rely on plea to emotion.

I've heard so much bull lately from people who should know better. A retired chief of police saying people who seek mental health professional help should be reported by the professional. Everyone here can see how that would be stupid, since the individual is much better off at least seeking help than not, and that individual probably would not seek help if he knew he was going to be reported to the local and federal law enforcement agencies.

You could create truly safe zones, like in an airport beyond the gates. You don't hear of many shootings there. Schools would have to be more regimented in how they conduct security, and strangers couldn't just walk into a school. I can't believe in 2018 you can still open a door or tailgate someone with a code and enter any school in the nation, no matter the age of the students. It's ridiculous. You cannot get on a plane with a nail file, but you can get into a room full of children with a loaded weapon, nary a cop in sight.

What the FBI won't say, nor will the DOJ, is that although the public sees these signs in advance, they see them all over the place, and most of them never come to fruition. They don't report it because the crazy guy down the street is more trustworthy, to them, than the feds.

[spurraider21]

May need to ban knives

2014. And 8 people in a coordinated attack. I’m more comfortable with aspiring mass murderers having knives than guns

[midnightpulp]

May need to ban knives

It was a group. Imagine the havoc a group possessing AR-15s could wreak inside a train? Or at a concert? That said, I would be in agreement with "knife control" that sought to keep knives out of the hands of lunatics and terrorists. But that might just be about impossible to enforce since you can make a knife out of just about any hard material that's reasonably malleable. Gun control is easier to implement across the board, which is why legislation in that area is targeted by concerned advocates more heavily than anything else. I get your point. You want moonbat liberals to be logically consistent and express sincerity, since it so often seems they focus on guns simply for the purpose of agitating conservatives while attempting to take the moral high ground vis a vis "uncaring, gun toting rednecks who value their toys over human life."

There has to be a middle ground where a reasonable gun control idea doesn't punish responsible people while also lessening the frequency of school and mass shootings. You'll notice I left out general gun violence, since I think what's happening in places like urban Chicago is caused by a variety of sociological factors that gun control won't have much efficacy in solving.

[pgardn]

May need to ban knives

With 8 assasains they needed many magazines and ar-15s. Would have been much more efficient.