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    The number of deaths in a single mass shooting will, by nature, be similar regardless of where it happens. Using deaths-per-capita in mass shooting as a measure is like saying a nuclear bomb is more dangerous in Omaha than in Los Angeles because it would kill a larger percent of the population in Omaha.

    Number of mass shootings per capita is a much better metric. Of course, regular Fox News viewers are unlikely to understand the difference.
    The reason IMVHO total deaths make more sense is that a lot of this stuff has other variables, such as accessibility to guns (which in turn affects other factors such as price per gun/ammo, the cost needed to plan/carry such an attack), size of the country (poor people in remote areas might find it more difficult to pull this off, likely to shoot a neighbor and kill themselves), and taking your own example, are lives in Omaha more or less important than lives in LA? Stats make sense in context, IMO, when the context is death innocent people, you gotta take that into consideration.

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    WATCH: Speech on Guns by Virginia Senate Candidate Causes Democrat Walk-Out, Goes Massively Viral Online


    A Speech by Virginia Delegate Nick Freitas, the liberty-minded conservative who is challenging Senator Tim Kaine, discussing the importance of the Second Amendment has been viewed over five million times in the past 24 hours.

    Friday’s speech by Freitas before the Virginia House of Delegates lead to many Democrats actually walking out and demanding a recess so that they could calm down because they were so outraged.


    The Washington Post reports that after Democrats settled down, Del. Joseph Lindsey (D-Norfolk) told the House that “today, I have been offended as I can never recall since being a part of this body. And I have seen many of my colleagues emotionally shaken and bothered by either a lack of concern for facts or just simply playing to the cameras, I don’t know which.”

    In the speech, Freitas discussed societal issues that may have lead to an uptick in mass shootings.

    “So, over the last several days, Mr. Speaker, there’s been a lot of discussion about an open and honest debate with respect to school shootings, gun violence, gun control, etc…and an open and honest debate as I understand it, is one that would rely on data, facts, evidence, analysis, reason, logic, etcetera, etcetera… and I’m certainly willing to have that deate,” Freitas began. “I think if we were going to look seriously at school shootings and gun control, we would analyze things like: Why do all mass shootings seem to take place in gun free zones? Wouldn’t it be reasonable to test whether or not the efficacy of gun-free zones have actually achieved what they’re intended intent is?”

    Freitas brought up the fact that most mass shooters come from broken homes — and pointed out some of the government policies that have encouraged the breakdown of traditional families.

    “We would start to look at…most of the shooters come from broken homes. What sort of government policies have actually encouraged broken homes? You can look at Left-leaning think tanks like the Brookings Ins ute, that will actually say that some of it can be attributed to various cultural change that happened in the 60’s to include the abortion industry,” Freitas said. “You can look at a more conservative-leaning organizations that will say that the welfare state contributes significantly to dismantling the family as families became more and more dependent upon the government than they were mothers and fathers in the home raising children.”

    The senate candidate also discussed how areas like Chicago, New York and Washington, DC have strict gun laws, and yet, the gun violence hasn’t stopped.

    Freitas also laid into the Democrats for claiming they only want to get rid of bump stocks and impose background checks.

    “If you’re wanting the other reason why we can’t have an honest debate about this one is because, quite frankly, I don’t think any of us, on this side of the aisle, believe you when you say that’s all you want to do. It will be bump stocks, it will be background checks, it will be a different kind of background checks that register the guns… Then, after that, it will be ‘We need to ban assault weapons.’ ‘What’s an assault weapon?’ ‘Something that looks scary,’” Freitas asserted. “Then after that it will be semi-automatic rifles, then it will be semi-automatic hand guns. Then it will be revolvers, shotguns… because when the policies fail to produce the results you were promising your cons uents, you will be back with more reasons for why we’ve got to infringe on Second Amendment rights.”

    Freitas point was that the Democrats refuse to consider other options to end societal violence that do not consist of “tearing apart or gutting the Second Amendment.”

    Freitas served with the 82nd Airborne Division and 25th Light Infantry Division as an Infantryman. Following the terror attack on September 11 2001, Nick volunteered for US Army Special Forces (Green Berets) and eventually served 2 tours in Iraq as a Special Forces Weapons Sergeant and Special Forces Intelligence Sergeant.

    After being honorably discharged in 2009, Freitas became the Director of Operations for a disabled veteran owned company that provides direct support to our service men and women conducting counter insurgency and counter IED operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    “I’ve proven both on the battlefield overseas and on the battlefield of ideas, I am willing to stand by what I believe in and fight for it,” Freitas previously told the Gateway Pundit.

    http://thegatewaypundit.com/2018/03/...-viral-online/

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    The number of deaths in a single mass shooting will, by nature, be similar regardless of where it happens. Using deaths-per-capita in mass shooting as a measure is like saying a nuclear bomb is more dangerous in Omaha than in Los Angeles because it would kill a larger percent of the population in Omaha.

    Number of mass shootings per capita is a much better metric. Of course, regular Fox News viewers are unlikely to understand the difference.
    The number of nuclear bombs per capita is a better metric even if they are all in the exact same spot?

    If you have a town of 250K and over the course of 10 years you have 20 mass shooters who kill 4 people each, vs 1 mass shooter who kills 80 people, the 2nd one is better because per capita there's only one shooter vs 20.

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    So, let's do nothing.

    Everything's fine!

    Also, get more immigrants from Norway!

    Because murders!

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    How many were Christians
    Almost none of those on his list were actually Democrats.

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    So, let's do nothing.

    Everything's fine!

    Also, get more immigrants from Norway!

    Because murders!
    Norway had ONE mass shooting, and it was pretty bad. This is known in statistics as an outlier.

    The given graphic was simply cherry picking by picking the ONE year where that happened, and presenting it as representative of Norway's average murder rate.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks

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    Data, when we can get it shows a pretty suggestive correlation between fewer guns and fewer shootings.

    Gun manufacturers have shut down research in that area for some reason.

    We need to get past the narrow financial interests and do actual science. Data would be better, so we can made good decisions.

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    LOL "Crime Prevention Research Center"

    Wow, talk about dishonest presentation of data.

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    As soon as the first N.R.A. A-rated congressman loses an election, other politicians’ deeply held convictions about Second Amendment rights will start rapidly evolving.

    The students of Parkland are like veterans coming home from the bloody front of the N.R.A.’s de facto war on children. They’ve seen their friends, teachers and coaches gunned down in the halls. To them, powerful Washington lobbyists and United States senators suddenly look like what they are: cheesy TV spokesmodels for murder weapons.

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    Yawn. Till the next "big" news.

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    Yawn. Till the next "big" news.
    Dead kids get yawns from CC.

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    Dead kids get yawns from CC.
    Nothing personal, chum. How mant times have we seen it before? Give it three months and it will be Parkland who? Is what it is.

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    Nothing personal, chum. How mant times have we seen it before? Give it three months and it will be Parkland who? Is what it is.
    Ho-hum, more dead kids. Boring!

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    Is what it is. At least they will sacrifice those bump stocks.

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    Is what it is. At least they will sacrifice those bump stocks.
    Sorry those dead kids bored you, CC. Maybe someone will find a way to kill kids that will excite you again.

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    Sorry those dead kids bored you, CC. Maybe someone will find a way to kill kids that will excite you again.
    Way to straw man it chum. As usual you are too dense to get the point that nothing will change.

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    Way to straw man it chum. As usual you are too dense to get the point that nothing will change.
    Dead kids bore you and you wanted everyone to know they bore you. That kind of makes you a piece of . And nothing about that will change.

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    They arent going to confiscate millions of existing AR-15s no matter how much those kids skip school.

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    Dead kids bore you and you wanted everyone to know they bore you. That kind of makes you a piece of . And nothing about that will change.
    Thats your straw man chump. I was referring to the new high school "activists".

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    They arent going to confiscate millions of existing AR-15s no matter how much those kids skip school.
    Your straw men bore me.

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    They arent going to confiscate millions of existing AR-15s no matter how much those kids skip school.
    You chide pav for using a strawman he didn't use by following it up with a textbook strawman.

    If you don't understand how a strawman works, just ask. It would be less embarrassing, tbh.

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    You chide pav for using a strawman he didn't use by following it up with a textbook strawman.

    If you don't understand how a strawman works, just ask. It would be less embarrassing, tbh.
    Suck a , cuckboy.

    Chump tried to twist the fact that I said nothing would change because of the parkland "activists" into "you dont care about dead kids"

    It was a classic strawman but you are just too ing stupid to see it.

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    Nothing personal, chum. How mant times have we seen it before? Give it three months and it will be Parkland who? Is what it is.
    Dunno.

    Those kids aren't going away. They are going to graduate. They are pissed.

    Columbine pre-dates social media.

    This feels different, but a bet on indifference is always a good one.
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    To repeat, the "kids" won't, can't outbid BigGun/NRA (or ANY of the oligarchy) in the purchase of legislators and judges.

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    Suck a , cuckboy.

    Chump tried to twist the fact that I said nothing would change because of the parkland "activists" into "you dont care about dead kids"

    It was a classic strawman but you are just too ing stupid to see it.
    Fascinating. So how would you categorize your strawman?

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